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12/02/2015 8:49 pm  #26


Re: Pitt

duq81, sorry but at their worst I would take their defense over ours any day of the week. I agree with everything you said but I also believe even in a zone because of their length they can cause us difficulty in getting open 3's. This is my real complaint with our offense being so reliant on them.  Also the competition they are facing offensively as opposed to the wrestling matches that where pawned off as BE games makes it worse.

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12/02/2015 8:49 pm  #27


Re: Pitt

I would say that Danny Nee's 3 win season was the worst coaching I have ever seen, but he never coached.  He just stared into the abyss.   


"You have to be realistic about these things."  - Logen Ninefingers
 

12/02/2015 9:32 pm  #28


Re: Pitt

Simms wrote:

I would say that Danny Nee's 3 win season was the worst coaching I have ever seen, but he never coached.  He just stared into the abyss.   

There was certainly enough blame to go around that season.  Nee seemed worn down & couldn't get 'em to play but he also had a group of players who weren't into it & didn't care whether they won or lost.  Only McAlister, Gayden, & Achara showed up to play every night.  I remember sitting in Palumbo for 4 games one weekend watching the Dukes come in last in their own holiday tournament.  After that, I decided I had better things to waste time on, & I believe I only went to only one more game the rest of the season.

 

12/02/2015 9:54 pm  #29


Re: Pitt

Officer Dribble wrote:

Simms wrote:

I would say that Danny Nee's 3 win season was the worst coaching I have ever seen, but he never coached.  He just stared into the abyss.   

There was certainly enough blame to go around that season.  Nee seemed worn down & couldn't get 'em to play but he also had a group of players who weren't into it & didn't care whether they won or lost.  Only McAlister, Gayden, & Achara showed up to play every night.  I remember sitting in Palumbo for 4 games one weekend watching the Dukes come in last in their own holiday tournament.  After that, I decided I had better things to waste time on, & I believe I only went to only one more game the rest of the season.

Your memory is faulty. Achara was injured, and missed nearly the entire season. This is why the team was so bad. Aaron Jackson was the bright spot on that team. As a freshman, he had an excellent assist to turnover ratio, which is why I was convinced early that he would be a key player going forward. There were posters who don't pay close attention, who wanted him taken out with the trash when Ron was hired. These are the same guys who wanted Kojo to take his minutes, and the idiots who thought Eric Evans would send him to the bench. Biggest mistake Ron made when he took over was pushing Devario Hudson out the door. He would have thrived in Ron's system. I understood his wanting to clean house, but this kid would have helped the team those first two years, especially after the two guys Ron brought in to replace him bolted after their first year.
 

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12/02/2015 10:37 pm  #30


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I'm the first to admit that I'm at the point in life where my memory can be faulty.  I'm in charge of 400 clients at work.  I have more important things in my brain than the precise year I saw Achara play for Nee.

Anybody can see that Ajax had potential back then but he had a lot of growing up to do.  In those years I sat behind the bench most of the times that I went & could hear what was going on.  He was kind of a flaky kid then.  Even in his second year, I heard him talk back to Ron a few times.  He ended up being one of my all-time favorite Dukes.

Hudson was the kid who famously said that he couldn't see the point of coming to practice because they were losing.  I would think that a college scholarship worth $100,000 would be enough reason to want to get better at basketball, but that's just me.  So I don't share your enthusiasm for Hudson.  It was addition by subtraction.

 

12/02/2015 11:36 pm  #31


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Back to the future.

Pitt lost at home to a really tough team. Pitt also looked disjointed on offense during most of the game. Our guys need to come out confident and take control. Honestly believe that Pitt's offense is off course right now. They may have an edge in the frontcourt, but it may not be as big as the edge might seem. This is doable. 

 

12/03/2015 8:02 am  #32


Re: Pitt

Dribble, I also remember that comment by Hudson.  He was a bad actor and Ron made the right decision to boot him.  Ron brought in some impressive talent in his first class.  Some people forget the impact the shootings had on the program  I would have much rather had Baldinado and Sam in our back court than undersized Duke and Hudson.  Imagine the shooting had not happened Achara, Baldinado and Ashalu with James Jackson and Mensa with Tucker and and the other JUCO. 

 

12/03/2015 8:16 am  #33


 

12/03/2015 8:18 am  #34


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Who can forget Mr. October, Reggie Jackson the other smurf JUCO guard teammate of Reggie Tucker.???  In fact, didn't Ron have three or four Jackson's on the team at the same time; Aaron, Reggie,and two others? Back to Pitt.  DK predicts the Dukes will beat Pitt, per a quote from Zac Weiss in his recap of the MVSU-Dukes game. His reasoning is that the Dukes have better seniors, better shooters and can neutralize the Pitt big men.  That logic has some validity to it.  That is also my belief.  Glad to see DC is laying a little smack on Pitt about the Dukes being a quicker team.   I can't remember a Dukes player and/or team talking smack before the City-Game.  It's good to see some confidence from the player(s).  

 

12/03/2015 9:03 am  #35


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CLK wrote:

Dribble, I also remember that comment by Hudson.  He was a bad actor and Ron made the right decision to boot him.  Ron brought in some impressive talent in his first class.  Some people forget the impact the shootings had on the program  I would have much rather had Baldinado and Sam in our back court than undersized Duke and Hudson.  Imagine the shooting had not happened Achara, Baldinado and Ashalu with James Jackson and Mensa with Tucker and and the other JUCO. 

Tuck and Reggie were two of my favorites. JC guys who actually worked out. Mensah, I wish we had left him at Siena. His presence held AJax back, and his play wasn't worth the acrimony that came with his transfer. Siena's accusations made Ron look shady, and it damaged one of his recruiting pipelines. If Ron had known how good AJax was, he likely would never have brought Kojo here.
 

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12/03/2015 9:32 am  #36


Re: Pitt

How about winning a game before you talk some smack!

 

12/03/2015 9:38 am  #37


Re: Pitt

I agree with Dome in that I'd like to see this win and a few  more against Pitt before we talk about it.  But I like DC and give him the benefit of the doubt. And I like his confidence - something we need.

And again I say that people still make too big a deal about the Pitt game (do not mean here) as if it's the only criteria to base anything on.  I want to get to the NCAA - if we beat Pitt in the process and admittedly it could help - that's fine.  But beat Pitt and no NCAA and it is generally meaningless.  The goal is one of 64 and do it again next  year and the year after.

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12/03/2015 9:59 am  #38


Re: Pitt

Gotta love that they possibly consider the Dukes as a better game than Davidson! That said, I'm stunned they're going to go down there to play a game.

 

12/03/2015 10:13 am  #39


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applecorps - like your "back to the future" statement.   Though I was there, I get very tired of folks talking about what happened 20 and 30 and 40 years ago.  I think that is one of the reasons we don't move ahead enough, people constantly living in the past.  I was pleased that the Pitt board said what we have said here...as it is obvious.
-Pitt is better but we can win
-If our guards hit the 3's we have a really good shot to win
-Their inside game - we don't match up offensively or defensively
-If our guards don't hit the 3's, well same old...same old

It is also good to read on our board that no one has gone over the deep and do realize this is just one game on the schedule - it is a very good game to prepare for the league games.

 

12/03/2015 10:42 am  #40


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It was once the big game in town, but those days are long gone , the last time it was a rivalry I was in my late twenties with dark hair and and youth in my bones, now I am silver and late 60's and living for today. Good luck Dukes, but Pitt is no big deal and the A10 is.


A diehard fan since 1961
 

12/03/2015 10:45 am  #41


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Mulder couldn't agree more. What's sad is that much like the RMU game those with even a passing interest use it as a gage to their involvement with the program. We need more buy in and I understand the frustration, it's no different from my own. FAM well stated. We haven't played  many good teams and we are being beaten on the offensive boards. We also are almost last in the country in getting to the foul line but we foul a lot which results in our opponents getting their frequently. Tough to over come in close games.

 

12/03/2015 10:57 am  #42


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Hahaha wow. They said mason wouldn't even see the court if he played for pitt. I hope he drops 30 on them. 


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12/03/2015 11:17 am  #43


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mjp1542 wrote:

Gotta love that they possibly consider the Dukes as a better game than Davidson! That said, I'm stunned they're going to go down there to play a game.

The game is in NYC.

 

12/03/2015 11:40 am  #44


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currentstudent wrote:

Hahaha wow. They said mason wouldn't even see the court if he played for pitt. I hope he drops 30 on them. 

I believe that those specific posters on that thread were using that phrase sarcastically.  Where this originated was that whenever the query "why didn't we (Pitt) sign TJ?" or "why didn't we sign Mason?" or other local player was posed, a number of other posters would say "he wouldn't get off the bench at Pitt".

 

12/03/2015 12:52 pm  #45


Re: Pitt

Pitt opens as 10.5 point favorites.

 

12/03/2015 1:01 pm  #46


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PhoenixRising2 wrote:

currentstudent wrote:

Hahaha wow. They said mason wouldn't even see the court if he played for pitt. I hope he drops 30 on them. 

I believe that those specific posters on that thread were using that phrase sarcastically.  Where this originated was that whenever the query "why didn't we (Pitt) sign TJ?" or "why didn't we sign Mason?" or other local player was posed, a number of other posters would say "he wouldn't get off the bench at Pitt".

This is it. There has been a running battle on that board between posters who think Pitt missed the boat on both TJ, and Mason, and those who scoffed at the notion that they could play at the BE, or ACC level. Those in the former group are now reveling in the fact that TJ is in the NBA. This battle also includes Pitt pg James Robinson, a pass first player, who has unfairly become the whipping boy for Pitt's struggles.
 

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12/03/2015 2:49 pm  #47


Re: Pitt

duq81 in a broader scope many believe Dixon's current interest in local talent is a sign that since Rhorssen left recruiting has gone to hell. Luther wasn't on his radar until he heard both Iowa & Michigan where looking at him. Cam Johnson was a last minute reach and now he has offered both Aiken & Carmody. How could the Dukes ever look at the same players Jamie was looking at. 😱😱😱😱😱

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12/03/2015 3:19 pm  #48


Re: Pitt

duq81 and The Dome, going back a few messages regarding Pitt's defense. As you probably figured out, I'm a big believer in what Pomeroy's stats say (and so are most D-1 programs).

Last year was by far and away Dixon's worst defensive team - with an adjusted defensive efficiency of 104.0, which ranked #202 in the country. Only 1 time in Dixon's previous 11 years did he have a defensive efficiency higher than 96.8; that being the 100.6 mark; #149 in the country in 2012.  In those 10 other years, Pitt finished in the top 30 in 9 times. Quite a dropoff.

This season, Pitt's adjusted defensive efficiency is 99.2, good for 99th in the country. Compared to the above, at this time this would be Dixon's 3rd worst defensive team.  BTW, the Dukes' adjusted defensive efficiency is currently 104.3, ranked #234 in the country.

 

12/03/2015 4:46 pm  #49


Re: Pitt

Game has been immediately bet down from 10.5 to 8.5 

There's no sports opinion I respect less than DK.  Not sure what to make of his prediction given he hasn't attended a single Duquesne or Pitt game this year. 

 

12/03/2015 5:30 pm  #50


Re: Pitt

WEB wrote:

Game has been immediately bet down from 10.5 to 8.5 

There's no sports opinion I respect less than DK.  Not sure what to make of his prediction given he hasn't attended a single Duquesne or Pitt game this year. 

WEB, thanks.  What web site do you use to grab the lines?  I use this one:  http://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/?date=20151204
The line is now down to 7.
 

 

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