PhoenixRising2 wrote:

WEB wrote:

Game has been immediately bet down from 10.5 to 8.5 

There's no sports opinion I respect less than DK.  Not sure what to make of his prediction given he hasn't attended a single Duquesne or Pitt game this year. 

WEB, thanks.  What web site do you use to grab the lines?  I use this one:  http://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/?date=20151204
The line is now down to 7.
 

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/

Westender wrote:

duq81 wrote:

CLK wrote:

Dribble, I also remember that comment by Hudson.  He was a bad actor and Ron made the right decision to boot him.  Ron brought in some impressive talent in his first class.  Some people forget the impact the shootings had on the program  I would have much rather had Baldinado and Sam in our back court than undersized Duke and Hudson.  Imagine the shooting had not happened Achara, Baldinado and Ashalu with James Jackson and Mensa with Tucker and and the other JUCO. 

Tuck and Reggie were two of my favorites. JC guys who actually worked out. Mensah, I wish we had left him at Siena. His presence held AJax back, and his play wasn't worth the acrimony that came with his transfer. Siena's accusations made Ron look shady, and it damaged one of his recruiting pipelines. If Ron had known how good AJax was, he likely would never have brought Kojo here.
 

'81, not relevant, but I'm curious. What recruiting pipeline was damaged by bringing Mensah in ? Are you talking about Norm Ostrin? If you are, Shawn James was also a big part of the problem. Ostrin didn't like the way Ron was using these two players and he and Ron parted ways. Ostrin thought Ron was hurting James' chances of making the NBA when in fact he was not really an NBA prospect as evidenced by the fact he is still playing across the pond.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about. Ron didn't misuse Kojo, Kojo didn't play well enough to deserve the minutes he did get. While James wasn't a real NBA prospect, you know how much I hated the 10/40. It's why I considered that particular year to be Ron's worst job of coaching. I'm not going to go into the reasons why 10/40 was a mistake for that particular team, as I've done that before. Let's just say that it was a mistake not to have your best guys playing together, and playing the bulk of the minutes. That was the best collection of talent on the Bluff since BB Flenory's senior year, and just like that season, the final record was quite a bit less than it should have been.

While I think it was crazy not to have Achara, and James both in the starting lineup, it could be that losing Baldinado screwed up the combinations that Ron had planned to use. Nevertheless, Achara should have made the same switch that Derrick Alston did his senior year when Carroll finally had another player to put at center (and one far inferior to Shawn James).

Speaking of pipelines, Ron really had some when he first arrived. The quick influx of talent really energized what was left of the fanbase. If not for the shooting, I think Ron would have gotten us to the next level. The team would have been good his first year, and as there would have been no 10/40, the second year would have been the breakthrough. Might have been good enough to convince James to come back for his last year. Put him on that Ajax team, and we're probably ranked.
 

Last edited by duq81 (12/03/2015 9:11 pm)

duq81 wrote:

Westender wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Tuck and Reggie were two of my favorites. JC guys who actually worked out. Mensah, I wish we had left him at Siena. His presence held AJax back, and his play wasn't worth the acrimony that came with his transfer. Siena's accusations made Ron look shady, and it damaged one of his recruiting pipelines. If Ron had known how good AJax was, he likely would never have brought Kojo here.
 

'81, not relevant, but I'm curious. What recruiting pipeline was damaged by bringing Mensah in ? Are you talking about Norm Ostrin? If you are, Shawn James was also a big part of the problem. Ostrin didn't like the way Ron was using these two players and he and Ron parted ways. Ostrin thought Ron was hurting James' chances of making the NBA when in fact he was not really an NBA prospect as evidenced by the fact he is still playing across the pond.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about. Ron didn't misuse Kojo, Kojo didn't play well enough to deserve the minutes he did get. While James wasn't a real NBA prospect, you know how much I hated the 10/40. It's why I considered that particular year to be Ron's worst job of coaching. I'm not going to go into the reasons why 10/40 was a mistake for that particular team, as I've done that before. Let's just say that it was a mistake not to have your best guys playing together, and playing the bulk of the minutes. That was the best collection of talent on the Bluff since BB Flenory's senior year, and just like that season, the final record was quite a bit less than it should have been.

While I think it was crazy not to have Achara, and James both in the starting lineup, it could be that losing Baldinado screwed up the combinations that Ron had planned to use. Nevertheless, Achara should have made the same switch that Derrick Alston did his senior year when Carroll finally had another player to put at center (and one far inferior to Shawn James).

Speaking of pipelines, Ron really had some when he first arrived. The quick influx of talent really energized what was left of the fanbase. If not for the shooting, I think Ron would have gotten us to the next level. The team would have been good his first year, and as there would have been no 10/40, the second year would have been the breakthrough. Might have been good enough to convince James to come back for his last year. Put him on that Ajax team, and we're probably ranked.
 

'81, I was only addressing the reasons I believed the relationship with Ostrin was damaged. I did not intend it to be a comment on how Ron used Mensah and James. In fact, I agree with you. Mensah was a disappointment, especially in view of the outrage shown by McCaffrey and the Siena AD and fans when he left there. He had an inflated view of his talent and had many more bad moments than good ones. He often dribbled himself into trouble if I remember correctly and didn't deserve to start. I also agree with you that James and Achara should have been on the floor together a lot more often than they were. I have a sneaky suspicion that Ron played James the way he did at times in defiance of the pressure he was getting from Ostrin to build James' stats and because, as I heard it, James' bad attitude fostered by Ostrin.
And I also agree that the shooting and losing Baldanado and Ashalou really hurt Ron's chances of getting to the next level. He brought in some really decent players his first 2 years - maybe not quite Dance quality but good enough to possibly interest better players in joining the program. The shooting definitely hurt.
Not sure what happened to his recruiting pipelines after the first 2 or 3 years, but they did seem to fall off  or change after that.

Last edited by Westender (12/04/2015 11:53 am)

Here's hoping that the Dukes win tonight's game against Pitt and continue to have a very successful non- conference record as a very good preparation for the A-10 schedule.  While I think comments about the men's basketball team's past, especially those about what happened when Ron Everhart was the Dukes' head coach can be somewhat interesting to some of us who follow the Dukes closely, I'm beginning to feel like they are an anchor to the outlook on where some of us believe that the men's basketball program will be heading.  The stuff that really matters is how the Dukes play and are coached this season.

duq81 wrote:

godukes1970 wrote:

Here's hoping that the Dukes win tonight's game against Pitt and continue to have a very successful non- conference record as a very good preparation for the A-10 schedule.  While I think comments about the men's basketball team's past, especially those about what happened when Ron Everhart was the Dukes' head coach can be somewhat interesting to some of us who follow the Dukes closely, I'm beginning to feel like they are an anchor to the outlook on where some of us believe that the men's basketball program will be heading.  The stuff that really matters is how the Dukes play and are coached this season.

Looking at our expectations going into the season (16-18 wins), the Dukes are playing with house money at this point. We needed a split of the 4 tough games, and we did it one better. Even with a loss, the door would be open to finish the ooc schedule 10-3, which is one better than I was looking for. Win tonight, and we could be 11-1 going into the GT game. While I'm hoping for a win, I won't be upset if the Dukes look like they belong on the same floor with Pitt. I just don't want to see them make short work of us.
 

 

10-3 would be a 77% win percentage. One of my demands for this season was 75% in OOC.  (I had forgotten about the tournament against those similar programs, adding three more games, so I later adjusted that to 70% or 9-4.

Ten and three would make me ecstatic!

I feel very good about tonight's game.  I think we're coming home a winner.

I am so ready for tonight. I'm trying to bring enough people to the game however people don't want to pay 10 bucks. For a school that is trying to get a student section why would they not cover the cost of the tickets. but anyhow they'll wish they had came when the Dukes beat down the bully. 

currentstudent wrote:

I am so ready for tonight. I'm trying to bring enough people to the game however people don't want to pay 10 bucks. For a school that is trying to get a student section why would they not cover the cost of the tickets. but anyhow they'll wish they had came when the Dukes beat down the bully. 

I believe the student tickets are nearly sold out

currentstudent wrote:

I am so ready for tonight. I'm trying to bring enough people to the game however people don't want to pay 10 bucks. For a school that is trying to get a student section why would they not cover the cost of the tickets. but anyhow they'll wish they had came when the Dukes beat down the bully. 

I'm pretty sure tickets were free to Red and Blue Crew members.

Someone want to let them know the game started at 7?

Not ready for prime time. Marked difference between defenses.

Pitt could show up with five eighth grade players and still win by 20

Duques102 wrote:

Teas duke, borderline absurd statement. Despite the disappointing start, Derrick colter is an absolute savage. Prediction: first team all A10

If my yawn were any bigger you could assign it a Hurricane name!

That's something that loser always say, like, "Boy they battled hard!"  As we have said every year for a decade in a half, hell let's be honest for three decades. What are we? Three and Twenty seven in the last 30?