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WEB doesn't like Ron Everhart or me either. But he does like puppies and ice cream cake, so he's not all bad. Hopefully you don't think that. You are clearly a smart man with alot to offer. I want to win as much as you do. We have differing opinions on how to do it and that's fine by me. I'd welcome meeting you in the future at a NCAA tourney game so we can celebrate being Duquesne fans! A meeting or two? Trying be a student at the law school when Dougherty and Gormley pulled the rug out from underneath Dean Guter. The only reason Ken Gormley is the Dean is because he played the game with Dougherty and Guter refused. Then, the Board and Dougherty recommend Gormley to the new president when Dougherty was to step down? I'm sorry, not a fan. WEB, I know that you were totally swamped at work and unable to post during the 2-10 finish to the season, but apparently things have let up enough for you to spew negatives about the future president's leadership ability well before he has assumed his position. Do you think Gormley also played a nefarious role in Shoe-gate? A meeting or two? Trying be a student at the law school when Dougherty and Gormley pulled the rug out from underneath Dean Guter. The only reason Ken Gormley is the Dean is because he played the game with Dougherty and Guter refused. Then, the Board and Dougherty recommend Gormley to the new president when Dougherty was to step down? I'm sorry, not a fan. WEB, I know that you were totally swamped at work and unable to post during the 2-10 finish to the season, but apparently things have let up enough for you to spew negatives about the future president's leadership ability well before he has assumed his position. Do you think Gormley also played a nefarious role in Shoe-gate? It's my opinion that I'd have liked Duquesne to go outside the Duquesne bubble to hire someone. Hopefully you can respect that. Thanks godukes1970. I am glad to hear Dave is actively reaching out. Knowing you my friend I am sure you gave him good feed back. The problem of lack of school spirit and student attendance has to be up there as a high priority. One of the striking things is that there is no bond among the athletes at DU. There does not seem to be any cross support by these players. The only time these athletes show up in mass is when they are getting awards. I think a suggestion I would make is for Dave to get with these coaches and discuss this issue of lack of school spirit and how to fix it. Just getting some of the football players to show up with their friends and girlfriends would increase attendance 2,000 fold. I know you remember when we were on campus, there was a tight bond with the basketball players and the other students. We use to have mixers and invite the payers, bust their chops and have fun together. I may be wrong but I do not think there is that kind of relationship today or you would see more students at the games. Things have to change on campus. I know some think winning will change things but I think the problem is deeper. Actually, and only to clarify Web's comment, Gormley was at one game this year that I attended. Because of work I did not attend many games this year so he may have been at others. Again just to clarify - and he went around talking to people during that game. Thanks Mulder. Hopefully he will become a huge basketball fan (Men & Women) when he becomes President. Father Mac used to stop by The Duke office to talk basketball. He was also fairly visible on campus talking to students. Red Manning asked me once why the perception of him among students wasn't so sterling, especially since he had been a successful coach. I recommended that he also make himself visible to the students. Red went to varsity games, but I told him to show up at an occasional IM game and hobnob a bit. Father Mac used to stop by The Duke office to talk basketball. He was also fairly visible on campus talking to students. Red Manning asked me once why the perception of him among students wasn't so sterling, especially since he had been a successful coach. I recommended that he also make himself visible to the students. Red went to varsity games, but I told him to show up at an occasional IM game and hobnob a bit. Priorities have changed and students don't care to spend their time at basketball games being played by guys with whom they have little in common. PITT admitted that declining attendance was a concern that lead to Dixon being nudged out the door. Attendance at college games is down all over, and kids would rather do school work, play video games, surf social media or go to Southside and party. Students and parents make a huge financial investment today compared to the 1970's when tuition at Duquesne was about $3000. They better have some earning power when they graduate bc the debt will be due. So what we are seeing are cultural changes that will continue to erode the influence of college basketball on campus. levon, the only that that has really changed is that in my time (late 1970s), it was pinball, comic books, Organic Chem, keg parties on Four Towers and a new-fangled chain restaurant called Pizza Hut that served beer to anyone that were the distractions. I knew students who HATED basketball players because the Blue Ladies gave them steaks before games. Surely a larger population + more distractions = higher dissonance, but at least since my time it's always been there. Father Mac used to stop by The Duke office to talk basketball. He was also fairly visible on campus talking to students. Red Manning asked me once why the perception of him among students wasn't so sterling, especially since he had been a successful coach. I recommended that he also make himself visible to the students. Red went to varsity games, but I told him to show up at an occasional IM game and hobnob a bit. Priorities have changed and students don't care to spend their time at basketball games being played by guys with whom they have little in common. PITT admitted that declining attendance was a concern that lead to Dixon being nudged out the door. Attendance at college games is down all over, and kids would rather do school work, play video games, surf social media or go to Southside and party. Students and parents make a huge financial investment today compared to the 1970's when tuition at Duquesne was about $3000. They better have some earning power when they graduate bc the debt will be due. So what we are seeing are cultural changes that will continue to erode the influence of college basketball on campus. This post saddens me, mostly because I believe it to be true. Levon, we are not talking about attendance being down at DU it is in effect non-existent. I am not one to buy the liberal blame it on society argument that seems to be an excuse over applied these days. There is a bigger problem at Duquesne. Sure there are alternatives, but they are not that different just about everywhere. I guess the students of the other teams in the League that draw more than 15 students to a game didn't get the memo. I remember watching some Fordham over the last several games and seeing wild student turnouts even though their team sucked. Talk about alternative things to do, it is times 10 in NYC. Also, it seems what you are implying is that somehow DU students don't worry about wasting daddy's money in some alternatives like partying on the Southside, but their conscience prevents them from going one block to basketball games. I am not sure I follow that logic. There are generational differences no doubt, but the pressure to do well and not waste daddy's money I don't think is that different. $3,000 may not seem like a big sum today but in 1970 dollars the economic investment back in the 1970's to get a DU education was just as huge in relative terms. Average household income back then was about $8,000. Finally you missed my point about student bonding when in your first sentence you said: "students don't care to spend their time at basketball games being played by guys with whom they have little in common." It is not like that at Dayton, GW, SBU or any other school in the League. Did you ever watch the students at these schools. There is a real connection and identification between the students and the players. Why is that? Why are they not prevented to support their teams by a concern of wasting daddy's money? Why are other activities and parties preventing them from going to the games? Last edited by CLK (3/29/2016 4:04 pm) Father Mac used to stop by The Duke office to talk basketball. He was also fairly visible on campus talking to students. Red Manning asked me once why the perception of him among students wasn't so sterling, especially since he had been a successful coach. I recommended that he also make himself visible to the students. Red went to varsity games, but I told him to show up at an occasional IM game and hobnob a bit. Priorities have changed and students don't care to spend their time at basketball games being played by guys with whom they have little in common. PITT admitted that declining attendance was a concern that lead to Dixon being nudged out the door. Attendance at college games is down all over, and kids would rather do school work, play video games, surf social media or go to Southside and party. Students and parents make a huge financial investment today compared to the 1970's when tuition at Duquesne was about $3000. They better have some earning power when they graduate bc the debt will be due. So what we are seeing are cultural changes that will continue to erode the influence of college basketball on campus. This post saddens me, mostly because I believe it to be true. Well hate to burst your bubble, but it is true. I graduated in 2014 and still live in the southside and still see many college friends, so I probably have a better perspective on this one than most. No one cares. I can't even be more optimistic because I'd be lying. Not trying to say that I am the most popular guy in the world but I would consider myself to be someone who had a decent size group of friends while there and literally the b ball team literally probably never was brought up even in conversation, much less people even talking about potentially going to a game, pretty much went by myself most times. The problem is there is way too much to do these days, as he pointed out above. Winning would still put people back in the seats, but Pittsburgh in general has way too much to offer someone my age. South side bars, strip clubs, casino, parties, oakland night life, professional sports teams playing throughout every season, Pitt sports. Most people don't think we are division one im pretty sure. It would help to be in a small one road town but winning would still bring people back Have to disagree on other athletes not attending games. I usually camp out across from the pep band and Red and Blue (who don't show). On the other side, several of the Football and Swim team members show. The Women's BB team are regulars. In fact, at one game, the ladies were spread out a bit, and Dan Burt went up into the stands and told them to sit together. That guy runs a tight ship! That was a question from me there Prince. Actually, and only to clarify Web's comment, Gormley was at one game this year that I attended. Because of work I did not attend many games this year so he may have been at others. Again just to clarify - and he went around talking to people during that game. Thanks Mulder. Hopefully he will become a huge basketball fan (Men & Women) when he becomes President. And I DID see him at the La Salle ladies game - chatted briefly with the coaching staff - made the rounds chatting with some of the fans as well. I hear you Mulder. I grew up under some pretty humble circumstances. Combined a couple scholarships with summer jobs, work/study (mail room) and loans to get through. That helped me appreciate everything about the college experience, plus I was already a fan from seeing the Dukes play on TV. I have learned a lot reading this board. The things that jumped out at me were that some students in the late 70s begrudged the basketball players being served steak before the games and the banishment of the Sheiks and the Playboys. When I went to Duquesne in the early 70s everyone I knew thought that the basketball team deserved to eat steak because they won and brought positive publicity to the school. Furthermore although I never belonged to a social club or fraternity, those who did were the vanguard of the school spirit in those days, forming a double line that the basketball team passed between coming out for the second half. The way to get that magic back is by winning again. Until that happens, a Duquesne student has more college fun elsewhere. I have learned a lot reading this board. The things that jumped out at me were that some students in the late 70s begrudged the basketball players being served steak before the games and the banishment of the Sheiks and the Playboys. When I went to Duquesne in the early 70s everyone I knew thought that the basketball team deserved to eat steak because they won and brought positive publicity to the school. Furthermore although I never belonged to a social club or fraternity, those who did were the vanguard of the school spirit in those days, forming a double line that the basketball team passed between coming out for the second half. The way to get that magic back is by winning again. Until that happens, a Duquesne student has more college fun elsewhere.
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I can tell you there is a fractured faculty in the law school because of Gormley.
We shall see what happens.
PM me for further details if interested.
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rosceaux wrote:WEB wrote:
I can tell you there is a fractured faculty in the law school because of Gormley.
We shall see what happens.
PM me for further details if interested.
We'll see what he can contribute to the equation. As near as I can tell, didn't see him at one game this year.
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CLK, you and I both know that the old social clubs that once made Duquesne campus life great provided iconic student support ... at least until a few unfortunate incidents ended up getting the Sheiks and Playboys kicked off campus. Without the knuckleheads, that's the kind of invested, involved student groups that can help fill out the Red & Blue Crew section.
Would be great if athletes supported athletes, too. Show up at each other's games/meets/matches. That may be happening, but I'm not there to see it.
There's a lot that can be done without spending money. DU has a long history of general apathy, but if you can get a couple hundred (out of the 10,000) new kids ever year, you build something.
The only way to start a 1,000 mile walk is with the first step. •
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CLK, you and I both know that the old social clubs that once made Duquesne campus life great provided iconic student support ... at least until a few unfortunate incidents ended up getting the Sheiks and Playboys kicked off campus. Without the knuckleheads, that's the kind of invested, involved student groups that can help fill out the Red & Blue Crew section.
Would be great if athletes supported athletes, too. Show up at each other's games/meets/matches. That may be happening, but I'm not there to see it.
There's a lot that can be done without spending money. DU has a long history of general apathy, but if you can get a couple hundred (out of the 10,000) new kids ever year, you build something.
The only way to start a 1,000 mile walk is with the first step.
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levon1975 wrote:ElDuque wrote:
CLK, you and I both know that the old social clubs that once made Duquesne campus life great provided iconic student support ... at least until a few unfortunate incidents ended up getting the Sheiks and Playboys kicked off campus. Without the knuckleheads, that's the kind of invested, involved student groups that can help fill out the Red & Blue Crew section.
Would be great if athletes supported athletes, too. Show up at each other's games/meets/matches. That may be happening, but I'm not there to see it.
There's a lot that can be done without spending money. DU has a long history of general apathy, but if you can get a couple hundred (out of the 10,000) new kids ever year, you build something.
The only way to start a 1,000 mile walk is with the first step.
"You have to be realistic about these things." - Logen Ninefingers
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There is a big problem at Duquesne. Wrapping it up in cultural changes in my opinion is glossing over the problem.
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Simms wrote:levon1975 wrote:ElDuque wrote:
CLK, you and I both know that the old social clubs that once made Duquesne campus life great provided iconic student support ... at least until a few unfortunate incidents ended up getting the Sheiks and Playboys kicked off campus. Without the knuckleheads, that's the kind of invested, involved student groups that can help fill out the Red & Blue Crew section.
Would be great if athletes supported athletes, too. Show up at each other's games/meets/matches. That may be happening, but I'm not there to see it.
There's a lot that can be done without spending money. DU has a long history of general apathy, but if you can get a couple hundred (out of the 10,000) new kids ever year, you build something.
The only way to start a 1,000 mile walk is with the first step.
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CLK wrote:Mulder wrote:
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As you said, it's a different experience for everyone. •
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I had Towers Cafe steak. I wouldn't have fed it to my dog, let alone varsity athletes. (grin) •
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