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12/03/2016 3:29 am  #1


Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Some readers may not agree with Zeise's view of Ron Everhart and for providing a pass to Ferry for one more year.  But he places the blame properly on Duquesne's administration for letting the program deteriorate for over the overwhelming majority of the last 40 years.

All that being said, as a season ticket holder since 1973, I thoroughly enjoyed the Dukes' victory tonight and the celebration of the students and fans at the games conclusion.  Now if only 1/3  or so of the students that were in the stands last night rooting loudly for their university's team would show up at the Palumbo, then I say that interest in the Dukes would have improved considerably from what we've seen over most of the past decade.

Go Dukes!  Make it two in a row over Bobby Mo!

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-is-right/2016/12/02/paul-zeise-duquesne-basketball-city-game-jim-ferry-improvement/stories/201612020200

 

12/03/2016 8:08 am  #2


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Dejan had a great column with awesome video. It's inside a pay wall so I can't post the link.

 

12/03/2016 8:23 am  #3


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

I will be the first and other thoughts:
- I WAS WRONG about thinking Duquesne would lose tonight.  With that thought, that doesn't make this win any less.  In fact, it probably makes it a fantastic win since I (and many others...come on...say it...) didn't think they would win either.
-This being wrong does NOT change my view that the program will be fine.  One game against my most disliked opponent doesn't change 5 years of FACTS.  In addition, I have been a fan for too many years and have  an upset (translated the Pitt fans are extremely upset and if you read their board which I went to, to get their thoughts, and I am paraphrasing...they lost to one of the worst teams in the NCAA and beat better Duquesne teams in the past) which again is only one game.
-As folks thought the Dukes were in the NCAA because they won a few lowly games earlier I don't think they are in the NCAA now because they beat Pitt.
-This does prove that fact of "On Any given Night" and let's face it, Pitt thought like most of us that they would win and they showed they were not prepared.
-This does show that we do have talent on the team like many have been saying and that the coaching is the problem
-So, as the year goes on, I hope Ferry's coaching improves, I hope the players' skills improve, and of course I hope the W-L record improves.  But no matter what we say for or against here, it will be easy to see the W-L record as we go throughout the year.

-My Hope - We go on and get to the NIT
-My FEAR - This game was an anomaly and Duquesne ends up with a losing record - and Ferry talks the administration into keeping him because he beat Pitt

Go Dukes!

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12/03/2016 8:57 am  #4


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Got to love it. 



 

 

12/03/2016 9:38 am  #5


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Listened to Paul's show for a bit on the way home.  He had to leave at the 8 minute mark to be sure to be on time for his show.  Among other points of accolade (he reiterated that he thought the Dukes have some very good players and Pitt's absence of Artis was not all that relevant and not the reason the Dukes won) he noted that for the first time he could remember the Dukes played with a real sense of purpose. Translation:HEART!!  

And as a President once noted  "Our great national nightmare is over!"

 

12/03/2016 9:46 am  #6


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

You might notice that the Dukes were wearing those great looking "SiHugo Green" uniforms too. The ghosts of Ricketts and Green were in the building. On the Pitt board, a fan noted how good those unis looked. That should be our base uniform.

 

12/03/2016 9:47 am  #7


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

The thing I liked most about this win is that the Dukes didn't even play that well offensively. Sometimes you'll have those games where everything is going in and it's easy to win (i.e. the penn state blowout last season). Yesterday, the Dukes gutted it out and showed toughness and resilience. That's not something we have seen very often under ferry.

 

12/03/2016 11:14 am  #8


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

At first I was just happy for me, after sleeping on it, I am happiest for the kids who played that game.

After blowing leads, losing last second games at home, and getting insulted by the coach they must look up to they got a big W, and must feel good about themselves.

I saw the Luther kid who snubbed us and his twin brother to go to Pitt had 4 points, LG Gill is now glued to the Maryland bench and the kids we have pulled out a great upset.

Like the late Marquette Coach Al McGuire used to say after losing top players to NBA hardship drafts, " I am more concerned who is here with me rather than those who left."


A diehard fan since 1961
 

12/03/2016 11:22 am  #9


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

duq81 wrote:

You might notice that the Dukes were wearing those great looking "SiHugo Green" uniforms too. The ghosts of Ricketts and Green were in the building. On the Pitt board, a fan noted how good those unis looked. That should be our base uniform.

I also thought that the red uniforms looked very sharp.  I forgot that during last season's celebration of 100 years of Dukes' basketball, the team had some throw-back uniforms.  Perhaps this explains why they didn't have the names of the players on the back.  Maybe names of players were not regularly displayed on the backs of uniforms in the 1950s.  I also liked the throw-back uniforms from Norm Nixon's era where the name,"dukes" (all lower case letters), was displayed diagonally.   

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12/03/2016 1:45 pm  #10


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Grammy seriously Artis not playing had no effect?????  Suddenly Paul Ziess is the voice of reason. Not one of these guys including Dejan who graduated could find their way to the Bluff for a game. Just a quick reality check and if any of this sounds familiar; 75% of the Duke's scoring came from 3 guards, (Smith, Lewis and Blackman) we are already back to last years 8 man rotation with guys playing 35+ minutes. I agree the Duke's played hard but I guess my question is will we see it again anytime soon because they sure haven't in the earlier games. One other point of concern, the utilization of I.Mike in our offense, whatever that is, is retarding this kids ability. He was 0 for the night last night and is learning nothing by predominately throwing up 3's. Enjoy.

 

12/03/2016 2:46 pm  #11


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Paul Zeiss also wrote an article right before the game about how wonderful Kevin Stallings was going to be for Pitt.  He constantly crapped all over Jamie Dixon and now the Pitt fans are freaking out.  I couldn't care less what he thinks about our program because as Dome says, he has no clue and doesn't care.  Even Dejan, who is an alum, is completely tuned out.  I would take Zach Weiss's opinion over them any day, Plus as FAM points out, the Pitt fans were way more upset because we lost to this team which they described as a "garbage" team,  Their fans said they have beaten (w/ Dixon) many superior Duquesne teams.  I assume that would be Everhart's team.  

I hate to be the negative guy on this board.  I think most people can look at my history and realize that that is not normally my position.  I'm not an old timer and have no memories of the glory days.  But I do care deeply about this program.  I think that the new administration, especially Harper, should be given the opportunity to succeed.  The Athetic Dept. should be cleaned out, and new people should be put in charge to lead the program to success. That said, if I see considerable improvement this year (with WINS... WINS WINS WINS) then I will gladly accept more of Ferry.  I just don't see it.  I watched the offense during the Pitt game continue to pass the ball around the perimeter and hope for an open 3.  I still haven't seen improvement.   

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12/03/2016 3:28 pm  #12


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

What the..?   As most, I was shocked beyond words when  I opened the newspaper. This is another check-off on my bucket list. I get a perverse enjoyment in ruining Pitt's night. One nagging thing from the game :I hope we are not going to allow Mike to become another Gill-type of player. He is too incredibly athletic to stay outside and launch 3's.He can become dominate around the paint as well. 
Congratulations to everyone on the board (as well as myself) with this win. We have earned this feeling.

 

12/03/2016 3:32 pm  #13


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Apluski, Thanks and well said.

 

12/03/2016 3:33 pm  #14


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Dome:  

I have posted before you don't have a clue on what you are talking about.  Paul Zeise is and has been a regular at  Montour for the last three years. He makes himself accessible to all.  Paul Zeise knows hoops inside and out. Dejan doesn't know if a basketball is blown up or stuffed.  Zeise is also a regular presence at all forms of college and high school hoops.  Dejan shows up once a year to criticize Duquesne and remind folks he went to school there.  Paul Zeise said Artis's absence was a non-factor--not me.  Pay attention instead of criticizing.   The truth of the matter is that if you have ever been to Montour you would and could have predicted this upset assuming Pitt played last night the way their kids played at Montour. That is precisely what happened.  Young got greedy for points instead of having any trust in his teammates.  Cam Johnson decided 23' three balls were easier than 19'9" three balls.  Ditto, Sheldon Jeter.  three selfish players, in my opinion.  And....most importantly, Pitts' press was never gonna work because their 6'9' kids were a lot slower than our three guards.  Carpe diem Dome!!  You, I and a host of Dukes fans have waited about 4,900 days for what happened last night.  As an aside for young Mr. Weiss, he will be swooning over how Ferry and Harper took his advice and changed things.  Like it or not Ferry is right in saying his team is right now consistently inconsistent.  I said before the season started this is a talented group of players.  They still are irrespective of 4W and 5L.  I look for consistently inconsistent play from them including I. Mike.  But, I will take his rebounds and his defense from last night even if he didn't put up any points. And..... he showed a lot of patience in handling the ball to help beat the 1-2-2 "trap" press of Pitt.   There is nothing negative to take from last night.    I repeat-----nothing.  

 

12/03/2016 3:47 pm  #15


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

Grammy hope you come back from Fantasy Island soon. 😂😂😂

 

12/05/2016 3:48 pm  #16


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

godukes1970 wrote:

Some readers may not agree with Zeise's view of Ron Everhart and for providing a pass to Ferry for one more year.  But he places the blame properly on Duquesne's administration for letting the program deteriorate for over the overwhelming majority of the last 40 years.

All that being said, as a season ticket holder since 1973, I thoroughly enjoyed the Dukes' victory tonight and the celebration of the students and fans at the games conclusion.  Now if only 1/3  or so of the students that were in the stands last night rooting loudly for their university's team would show up at the Palumbo, then I say that interest in the Dukes would have improved considerably from what we've seen over most of the past decade.

Go Dukes!  Make it two in a row over Bobby Mo!

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-is-right/2016/12/02/paul-zeise-duquesne-basketball-city-game-jim-ferry-improvement/stories/201612020200

Just read this article and have to point out one thing in defense of Ron.  In the article Zeise makes this statement:

"I love Everhart, he is a great guy and I think a very good basketball coach. His teams were entertaining and, unlike a lot of Duquesne teams in the past, actually showed a pulse. But he was completely unorganized. He seemed to have a new staff and a new team every year."

This is really a short sighted comment.  What needs to be recognized is the budget that Ron had to work with in hiring staff was not externally competitive, and probably about half of what Ferry was given to hire assistants.  Ron was forced to hire younger less experienced assistants for the most part.  But to his credit he developed his staff and almost all went on to higher paying positions.  He simply did not have the money to pay them to stay.  As far as Ron being unorganized, Amodio would not even approve a secretary let alone the other type of support staff that Ferry enjoys.  People can agree or disagree about the decision of firing Ron, but  there needs to be a fair recognition of what he was up against at DU.  Ron  the gentleman that he was, never bad mouthed DU when he was let go, although he had much to rightfully complain about.  I would be willing to bet that if ferry does get the ax (and I hope he can turn things around and not get fired) that he will have plenty to say.

That's it.  Just wanted to make that point. 

 

Last edited by CLK (12/05/2016 4:00 pm)

 

12/05/2016 5:38 pm  #17


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

CLK, you are absolutely right about the circumstances that Ron dealt with, especially the last 2 or 3 years when Amodio was conspiring to let him go. He had his faults, but he was fighting an uphill battle internally. It's now irrelevant and I do not intend to initiate another prolonged "Ron" rant. I just wanted to confirm what you said based on my first hand observations of the situation. 

 

12/05/2016 5:47 pm  #18


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CLK wrote:

Got to love it. 



 

 Fantastic video; now lets keep it going against RMU!

 

12/05/2016 5:55 pm  #19


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

grammudder wrote:

Dome:  

I have posted before you don't have a clue on what you are talking about.  Paul Zeise is and has been a regular at  Montour for the last three years. He makes himself accessible to all.  Paul Zeise knows hoops inside and out. Dejan doesn't know if a basketball is blown up or stuffed.  Zeise is also a regular presence at all forms of college and high school hoops.  Dejan shows up once a year to criticize Duquesne and remind folks he went to school there.  Paul Zeise said Artis's absence was a non-factor--not me.  Pay attention instead of criticizing.   The truth of the matter is that if you have ever been to Montour you would and could have predicted this upset assuming Pitt played last night the way their kids played at Montour. That is precisely what happened.  Young got greedy for points instead of having any trust in his teammates.  Cam Johnson decided 23' three balls were easier than 19'9" three balls.  Ditto, Sheldon Jeter.  three selfish players, in my opinion.  And....most importantly, Pitts' press was never gonna work because their 6'9' kids were a lot slower than our three guards.  Carpe diem Dome!!  You, I and a host of Dukes fans have waited about 4,900 days for what happened last night.  As an aside for young Mr. Weiss, he will be swooning over how Ferry and Harper took his advice and changed things.  Like it or not Ferry is right in saying his team is right now consistently inconsistent.  I said before the season started this is a talented group of players.  They still are irrespective of 4W and 5L.  I look for consistently inconsistent play from them including I. Mike.  But, I will take his rebounds and his defense from last night even if he didn't put up any points. And..... he showed a lot of patience in handling the ball to help beat the 1-2-2 "trap" press of Pitt.   There is nothing negative to take from last night.    I repeat-----nothing.  

You are absolutely on point about Paul Zeise, he knows the game of basketball, and covered the Dukes not too long ago.  Despite the fact that his son plays football at Pitt, he has always been fair and positive about Duquesne rebuilding its basketball program.  There have been others in the local media as well who jumped on the bandwagon after the Dukes victory and realize it is good for local basketball if Duquesne is relevant in basketball.  Zeise has been there all the time, and I genuinely respect his opinion.  Of those in the major media in Pittsburgh Paul has the most knowledge and love for the game.

 

12/05/2016 9:30 pm  #20


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

CLK wrote:

godukes1970 wrote:

Some readers may not agree with Zeise's view of Ron Everhart and for providing a pass to Ferry for one more year.  But he places the blame properly on Duquesne's administration for letting the program deteriorate for over the overwhelming majority of the last 40 years.

All that being said, as a season ticket holder since 1973, I thoroughly enjoyed the Dukes' victory tonight and the celebration of the students and fans at the games conclusion.  Now if only 1/3  or so of the students that were in the stands last night rooting loudly for their university's team would show up at the Palumbo, then I say that interest in the Dukes would have improved considerably from what we've seen over most of the past decade.

Go Dukes!  Make it two in a row over Bobby Mo!

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-is-right/2016/12/02/paul-zeise-duquesne-basketball-city-game-jim-ferry-improvement/stories/201612020200

Just read this article and have to point out one thing in defense of Ron.  In the article Zeise makes this statement:

"I love Everhart, he is a great guy and I think a very good basketball coach. His teams were entertaining and, unlike a lot of Duquesne teams in the past, actually showed a pulse. But he was completely unorganized. He seemed to have a new staff and a new team every year."

This is really a short sighted comment.  What needs to be recognized is the budget that Ron had to work with in hiring staff was not externally competitive, and probably about half of what Ferry was given to hire assistants.  Ron was forced to hire younger less experienced assistants for the most part.  But to his credit he developed his staff and almost all went on to higher paying positions.  He simply did not have the money to pay them to stay.  As far as Ron being unorganized, Amodio would not even approve a secretary let alone the other type of support staff that Ferry enjoys.  People can agree or disagree about the decision of firing Ron, but  there needs to be a fair recognition of what he was up against at DU.  Ron  the gentleman that he was, never bad mouthed DU when he was let go, although he had much to rightfully complain about.  I would be willing to bet that if ferry does get the ax (and I hope he can turn things around and not get fired) that he will have plenty to say.

That's it.  Just wanted to make that point. 

 

All of this is true. Now imagine that Nee had much less to work with than Ron, and DAP basically had nothing. Folks on this board scoffed at DAP when he complained about not even having cell phones, but it showed the level of support, and let's not even talk about the joke staff he had. Maybe the next coach will have even more to work with than Ferry, not that it still won't be behind most of the competition.
Of course this is a school that spent so little that their greatest coach resigned to take a high school job, and their second greatest left to coach a rival.
 

 

12/06/2016 11:05 am  #21


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

I just hope that maybe, MAYBE! this is something the young guys can build off.  Dont transfer!  Dont get suspended or kicked out.  That doesn't sound like much, but that's what is needed to rebuild a decent program.  Stability, depth and quality.

 

12/06/2016 3:23 pm  #22


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

You are very right about needing stability, depth and quality to build a program. This is why the whole "JRob" situation is beyond baffling. It is haunting. Anybody ever hear anything bad about Robinson? Suspensions, grades, attitude etc..? I have not.

 

12/06/2016 3:43 pm  #23


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

I remember he was reguarded as a good prospect coming in, had an unfavorable NCAA decision that kept him away from the team as a freshman.

Was a pre season double/double power forward prediction, and has had a hard time getting any playing time.

Coach said his defense needs improvement, but that seems like a team wide trait.


A diehard fan since 1961
 

12/06/2016 4:47 pm  #24


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

townsonkid wrote:

I just hope that maybe, MAYBE! this is something the young guys can build off.  Dont transfer!  Dont get suspended or kicked out.  That doesn't sound like much, but that's what is needed to rebuild a decent program.  Stability, depth and quality.

Well, exactly! Ferry wants to preach patience and brickbuilding, etc., but what hasn't happened in five years is players staying & developing.
 

 

12/06/2016 6:27 pm  #25


Re: Make Duquesne Basketball Great Again by Paul Zeise

And not one mention of this game in the PG????  Two local teams playing and nothing!  Here again, shouldn't the Athletic Department have been proactive in this regard and lobby for something to be written!  Isn't this is a part of what marketing people are supposed to do - get publicity!? I don't think it would take much and frankly members in that department SHOULD have relationships with media people.  Other than reporting on Pens game last night there wasn't really too many priority sport stories for this morning's PG. Again, institutional changes my friends - they are needed.

 

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