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4pm tip Saturday at Reilly Center. Per KenPom: if they lose this one after a double digit lead, Ferry is officially history! After some fortunate shooting in the first half by the Dukes, it looks like the Bonnies will easily beat the point spread. Another collapse. Big freshman mistake by Lewis. That was a horrible look. Had plenty of time to get a better shot. Duquesne's ball down two, after missed free trows by the Bonnies, with 15 seconds to play and DU with one time out left. I would guess that 99.99% of all D1 coaches would call a time out and set up a game winning or tying play. Not Jim Ferry. Last edited by CLK (2/25/2017 6:44 pm) WEIRD End to St Joes- St Louis as well - SL up 3 with 5.8 seconds to go - Miss TWO Free Throws - Guy from SJ goes coast to coasr MAKES A LAYUP they lose by 1?? And NO reaction afterwards - was almost like LOSER gets DU in the tournament???????????? Duquesne's ball down two, after missed free trows by the Bonnies, with 15 seconds to play and DU with one time out left. I would guess that 99.99% of all D1 coaches would call a time out and set up a game winning or tying play. Not Jim Ferry. When you don't know how to coach or draw up a play, why call the timeout? Sanders fouls out in 11 minutes of playing time. Duquesne's ball down two, after missed free trows by the Bonnies, with 15 seconds to play and DU with one time out left. I would guess that 99.99% of all D1 coaches would call a time out and set up a game winning or tying play. Not Jim Ferry. That's an unfair criticism there. Didn't Ferry get ripped on this board a few games back for doing just that, and letting the opponent set their defense? That's pretty much a 50/50 call there, and one that is debated all the time. I've seen coaches call time out there, and then struggle to get the ball in bounds after the timeout, sometimes turning it over, as the defensive team decides to deny the inbounds. Dozens of coaches don't call timeout there, as they think it's easier to advance the ball amid chaos, rather than allow the other coach to set a defense that might deny your best player the ball. Personally, I think the makeup of your team, as well as that of the opponent should be the determining factor in cases like this. If I have a veteran team, especially one with a strong point guard, I'm never calling timeout there. I wouldn't call a timeout if I was playing a team that was strong defensively either. Sanders fouls out in 11 minutes of playing time. Well, the refs were calling fouls like they were getting a bonus each time they blew the whistle. Duquesne's ball down two, after missed free trows by the Bonnies, with 15 seconds to play and DU with one time out left. I would guess that 99.99% of all D1 coaches would call a time out and set up a game winning or tying play. Not Jim Ferry. That's an unfair criticism there. Didn't Ferry get ripped on this board a few games back for doing just that, and letting the opponent set their defense? That's pretty much a 50/50 call there, and one that is debated all the time. I've seen coaches call time out there, and then struggle to get the ball in bounds after the timeout, sometimes turning it over, as the defensive team decides to deny the inbounds. Dozens of coaches don't call timeout there, as they think it's easier to advance the ball amid chaos, rather than allow the other coach to set a defense that might deny your best player the ball. Personally, I think the makeup of your team, as well as that of the opponent should be the determining factor in cases like this. If I have a veteran team, especially one with a strong point guard, I'm never calling timeout there. I wouldn't call a timeout if I was playing a team that was strong defensively either. I actually agree with you 100% here. I'm just a cynical Dukes fan at this point. I don't root for us to lose (I can't) but I don't root for us to win either.... Personally, I'd rather NOT call the timeout and instead have this situation practiced numerous times so my players are ready. We've played six games now that have (or should have) gone down to the last shot. Duquesne's ball down two, after missed free trows by the Bonnies, with 15 seconds to play and DU with one time out left. I would guess that 99.99% of all D1 coaches would call a time out and set up a game winning or tying play. Not Jim Ferry. That's an unfair criticism there. Didn't Ferry get ripped on this board a few games back for doing just that, and letting the opponent set their defense? That's pretty much a 50/50 call there, and one that is debated all the time. I've seen coaches call time out there, and then struggle to get the ball in bounds after the timeout, sometimes turning it over, as the defensive team decides to deny the inbounds. Dozens of coaches don't call timeout there, as they think it's easier to advance the ball amid chaos, rather than allow the other coach to set a defense that might deny your best player the ball. Personally, I think the makeup of your team, as well as that of the opponent should be the determining factor in cases like this. If I have a veteran team, especially one with a strong point guard, I'm never calling timeout there. I wouldn't call a timeout if I was playing a team that was strong defensively either. While you may disagree, I don't think it is unfair. Do we have a strong point guard or a veteran team, or a team that has shown they lack situational awareness? Maybe a veteran well coached team with a good point guard would have found a good shot in the chaos and had its players in position to get the rebound if missed. However, I think the the poor shot that we got off, and nobody in position to block out and get the rebound, speaks for itself. When it comes to close games it has been proven that Ferry will get out coached just about every time. You have to learn how to lose before you can learn how to win. WashPaRick...let's add to that infamous quote you listed above that was repeated by JDurham on the radio when he said that was told to him by Ferry... Last edited by FAM (2/26/2017 12:09 pm) Look at the Official Athletic site on the women's A10 playoff win. In the picture for the game story on the baseline is University President Dr. Gormley. This man has been to more men's and women's games this year than the two previous presidents in their entire tenures. It appears he understands that support is paramount. Right now, the Women's program is our shining light. This president must weigh the short term biting of the financial bullet against the long term gains. This University that has been recognized for so much needs a quality top 50 program. Currently, the Men's program diminishes the University image. I trust that thought also helps to motivate change on the Men's side. WashPaRick...let's add to that infamous quote you listed above that was repeated by JDurham on the radio when he said that was told to him by Ferry... It's not up to Harper. It's up to the folks who hold the purse strings. Regarding the time out, there are good points to call or not call a time out there with under 15 seconds to go. I probably would not have called one, unless the ball handler was in trouble. But I do have an issue with calling the timeout with 5 seconds left after the Bonnies made their free throw. This timeout allowed the Bonnies to set their defense, to talk about whether to foul/not foul, etc. That play after a made basket should have been practiced over and over; ingrained into the players' heads like a fire drill. WashPaRick...let's add to that infamous quote you listed above that was repeated by JDurham on the radio when he said that was told to him by Ferry... I look at the message boards from time to time in case anyone has any feedback positive or negative about what I'm doing and I post stuff I find about the teams here and there. Last year has been pretty hectic for me with the second child (who just turned one), hernia surgery, working a few jobs, all that kind of life fun. WashPaRick...let's add to that infamous quote you listed above that was repeated by JDurham on the radio when he said that was told to him by Ferry... I look at the message boards from time to time in case anyone has any feedback positive or negative about what I'm doing and I post stuff I find about the teams here and there. Last year has been pretty hectic for me with the second child (who just turned one), hernia surgery, working a few jobs, all that kind of life fun. Good to see you're still around. With most of the posts centering on the future of the coach, it's understandable that you can't really be expected to get involved in such discussions while you're working for the school. SteelCityVoice might be the best thing associated with DU MBB right now along with the master, Ray Goss! Appreciate it guys.
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St. Bonavanture Game Thread
Dukes #229 (10-18; 3-12 T-12th last place) vs St. Bonaventure #88 (17-10; 9-6 5th)
St. Bonaventure is ranked 4th of 14 in the A-10; Dukes ranked 13th of 14.
Game prediction: St. Bonaventure by 14, 84-70 - Dukes with a 11% probability of a win.
Betting line: St. Bonaventure by 13½
Saint Bonaventure 10-13-2 against the spread; Dukes 8-12-1 ATS.
Previous Meeting at the AJ Palumbo Center on 2/1 - St. Bonaventure 71-64
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Vicimus Atlanticum decem
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CLK wrote:
"You have to be realistic about these things." - Logen Ninefingers
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CLK wrote:
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WashPaRick wrote:
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duq81 wrote:CLK wrote:
"You have to be realistic about these things." - Logen Ninefingers
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Early in the season Ferry admittedly made no effort to provide any last minute instructions beyond the counsel to "keep playing hard." Now, I'm not a basketball coach and I don't play one on TV, but I played enough sports in my life to know that coaches prepare players for situations in which the game is on the line, or at least they should. Matt Welch replied to one of my comments on DK Pittsburgh Sports by saying you have no way of knowing what a last minute situation looks like until you get there, and thus can't prepare. I disagreed with him then, and I disagree with the notion that Ferry can not practice for this stuff.
There are a couple simple elements at play: the score, who has the ball, how much time is left, who's on the court, how many fouls each player has, and, oh, yeah, what can you run offensively to give one of your best shooters the opportunity to tie or win the game while leaving the other team without enough time to come right back and score. There's more of course, including who you foul if you have to without putting a 90% FT shooter at the line, but the point is you can practice enough that your kids know the basics.
I've yet to see a game ending scenario in which we look ready. TO or not, chance to set the defense or not, if you have a play up your sleeve to leave a kid open, whether it's your first or second choice, there's still enough time to get off a better shot than in any of the six fiascos we've had.
The problem is that Ferry is getting out coached not just at the end of games, but in the preparation that goes into getting kids ready for games.
To me, it feeds my theory that we are not committed to winning. Those of you willing to stick it out for 5 more years of Smalltime basketball, I hope your wildest dreams come true in 2022.
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duq81 wrote:CLK wrote:
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-Play harder
-It will take 10 years to rebuild the program
Has anyone noticed less enthusiasm by our excellent announcers over the last few games? I am starting to hear less and less excitement...not that there has been anything to get excited about...Hmmm...reminds me of the end of the Danny Nee days. If you think we are struggling with this crap, how about the announcers. They CAN'T voice their true thoughts/feelings for fear of it getting repeated and they need to keep rolling along.
Speaking of that, where has the gentleman gone who was the Steel City Voice at the games - did you stop posting here because someone was rude (I hope not), or were you asked to stop posting by your bosses?? or were you posting up hill and gave up when you see what is really taking place...or are you no longer at DU?
Mr. Harper - are you out there? Will you be Brave enough to make a difficult decision on the financial end, this can NO LONGER BE a difficult basketball decision? In fact, Ferry is making it easy for you.
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FAM wrote:
-Play harder
-It will take 10 years to rebuild the program
Has anyone noticed less enthusiasm by our excellent announcers over the last few games? I am starting to hear less and less excitement...not that there has been anything to get excited about...Hmmm...reminds me of the end of the Danny Nee days. If you think we are struggling with this crap, how about the announcers. They CAN'T voice their true thoughts/feelings for fear of it getting repeated and they need to keep rolling along.
Speaking of that, where has the gentleman gone who was the Steel City Voice at the games - did you stop posting here because someone was rude (I hope not), or were you asked to stop posting by your bosses?? or were you posting up hill and gave up when you see what is really taking place...or are you no longer at DU?
Mr. Harper - are you out there? Will you be Brave enough to make a difficult decision on the financial end, this can NO LONGER BE a difficult basketball decision? In fact, Ferry is making it easy for you.
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FAM wrote:
-Play harder
-It will take 10 years to rebuild the program
Has anyone noticed less enthusiasm by our excellent announcers over the last few games? I am starting to hear less and less excitement...not that there has been anything to get excited about...Hmmm...reminds me of the end of the Danny Nee days. If you think we are struggling with this crap, how about the announcers. They CAN'T voice their true thoughts/feelings for fear of it getting repeated and they need to keep rolling along.
Speaking of that, where has the gentleman gone who was the Steel City Voice at the games - did you stop posting here because someone was rude (I hope not), or were you asked to stop posting by your bosses?? or were you posting up hill and gave up when you see what is really taking place...or are you no longer at DU?
Mr. Harper - are you out there? Will you be Brave enough to make a difficult decision on the financial end, this can NO LONGER BE a difficult basketball decision? In fact, Ferry is making it easy for you.
I'm still announcing and having fun at the games win or lose I just don't post much on here.
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SteelCityVoice wrote:FAM wrote:
-Play harder
-It will take 10 years to rebuild the program
Has anyone noticed less enthusiasm by our excellent announcers over the last few games? I am starting to hear less and less excitement...not that there has been anything to get excited about...Hmmm...reminds me of the end of the Danny Nee days. If you think we are struggling with this crap, how about the announcers. They CAN'T voice their true thoughts/feelings for fear of it getting repeated and they need to keep rolling along.
Speaking of that, where has the gentleman gone who was the Steel City Voice at the games - did you stop posting here because someone was rude (I hope not), or were you asked to stop posting by your bosses?? or were you posting up hill and gave up when you see what is really taking place...or are you no longer at DU?
Mr. Harper - are you out there? Will you be Brave enough to make a difficult decision on the financial end, this can NO LONGER BE a difficult basketball decision? In fact, Ferry is making it easy for you.
I'm still announcing and having fun at the games win or lose I just don't post much on here.
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