NCAAs in 4 is a reach. We are in an arms race. The other schools will upgrade as well. We're all pulling water from the same well. Unless we lock down toronto

Last edited by Jeralta (3/25/2013 7:35 am)

MrBrightside wrote:

Amen Duq81

I'm here. Talk to me.

Problem is, I still disagree. duq81 makes it sound as though RE drove TJ off the team. I think TJ stabbed him in the back, at least inadvertantly (do you like that word, three syllables and all? Not as alliterate as conundrum, but I think it makes me sound smart). But I have no desire to bash TJ, or Talley, or anyone else.

I find it interesting that you guys want to circle jerk over the transfer thing and the small ball thing, but no one wants to talk about the fact that there are serious holes on this team starting with the point guard. I have no confidence Coulter is going to get any better. How happy you think all the 6-8 guys (wait until they show up and they're all 6-6) will be when Coulter's firing up threes from all over the court at a 25% success rate while they're all out of position?

I'm not bent out of shape that players will be asked to leave. I think Ferry should have taken care of some of this last year to give himself a little more flexibility. Of course, without complaining about the returning players, he wouldn't have had much to say to the press. Not that he couldn't have talked about, for example, why he played guys for 18 minute stretches or until they were in foul trouble, whichever came first.

Ooops, my bad. I've strayed from the talking points.

ElDuque wrote:

MrBrightside wrote:

Amen Duq81

I'm here. Talk to me.

Problem is, I still disagree. duq81 makes it sound as though RE drove TJ off the team. I think TJ stabbed him in the back, at least inadvertantly (do you like that word, three syllables and all? Not as alliterate as conundrum, but I think it makes me sound smart). But I have no desire to bash TJ, or Talley, or anyone else.

I find it interesting that you guys want to circle jerk over the transfer thing and the small ball thing, but no one wants to talk about the fact that there are serious holes on this team starting with the point guard. I have no confidence Coulter is going to get any better. How happy you think all the 6-8 guys (wait until they show up and they're all 6-6) will be when Coulter's firing up threes from all over the court at a 25% success rate while they're all out of position?

I'm not bent out of shape that players will be asked to leave. I think Ferry should have taken care of some of this last year to give himself a little more flexibility. Of course, without complaining about the returning players, he wouldn't have had much to say to the press. Not that he couldn't have talked about, for example, why he played guys for 18 minute stretches or until they were in foul trouble, whichever came first.

Ooops, my bad. I've strayed from the talking points.

I don't think many see a huge hole at PG besides you. Colter's a freshman and was one of the best in the league. He's going to make mistakes but I saw a better player in November than I did in July and a better player in February than I saw in November. He's not a traditional point that's for sure but he makes things happen. Put a few more weapons around him and I think you'll see him a differently.

Last edited by steve19981 (3/25/2013 8:24 pm)

Steve, trust me on this one. He is not one of the better point guards in the league. He had problems bringing the ball up the court against just about everyone. Penn State shut him down with a couple two-guards who he should have had a quickness advantage over. Game after Winters went off for 20-something, Coulter never gave him the ball.

Aaron Jackson, TJ. Talley, Evans, Reggie Jackson, Kojo Mensah, Martin Osimani, Bryant McAllister, Jason Duty -- all better point guards. Tom Cvitkovic was better. Coulter accumulated a lot of numbers this year because he was virtually the only person handling the ball. Talent-wise, I saw nothing that impressed me.

We're in trouble if he's a four year starter.

I do believe that the holes on the team are being addressed by Ferry and staff. This is shaping up as one of the best recruiting classes we have seen @ DU in many years. Isn't that something that we all can agree on, or should we continue arguing as to the circumstances under which TJ and whomever left the team?

Voting Colter to the All-Rookie team gives some indication of how our conference brethren feel about this young man's accomplishments and ability.

Last edited by PhoenixRising2 (3/26/2013 11:44 am)

Anyone see any mention of our recruits in the papers?

Steve, what I said is rude, crude, and lewd, but it's not divisive. I didn't ask anyone to take sides. As I said, I'm certain that more people agree with you than with the opinion that I stated, but I stand by that opinion. I want to win, I think you need a great PG to be an NCAA team, and I don't think Colter is a great PG. To the point made by Phoenix, A-10 awards are based on the simplest of statistics: PPG, RPG, APG. Me, I don't feel comfortable with the ball in his hands at the end of a close game. I don't think he'd ever give it up, and I'd be afraid of him being fouled.

I've expressed my opinion, and I feel now like I'm beating the issue to death. Apologies.

ElDuque wrote:

Me, I don't feel comfortable with the ball in his hands at the end of a close game. I don't think he'd ever give it up, and I'd be afraid of him being fouled.

I've expressed my opinion, and I feel now like I'm beating the issue to death. Apologies.

like when he got fouled at temple and won the game at the free throw line?
 

I'm a season ticket holder and went to most games and I agree Coulter is a ball hog and I've got serious concerns whether he can run the point.   A good point guard on a winning team has at least a  2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio whereas Coulter was 150 assists to 101 turnovers which is not good.    Further, he shot 30% from 3 pts range many of those clanks chucked up early in the shot clock which is the same as a turnover as far as i'm concerned.    I'll grant that he's a freshman and had little talent around him and was forced to take the lead.   Not a good situation for a freshman.   I do DC is capable of getting better and hope Ferry understands the above stats and challenges Coulter to improve.   I'm hopeful the Dukes can get a traditional point and move DC to a SG where I think he's better suited.   
 

WashPaRick wrote:

G-Duke wrote:

I'm a season ticket holder and went to most games and I agree Coulter is a ball hog and I've got serious concerns whether he can run the point.   A good point guard on a winning team has at least a  2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio whereas Coulter was 150 assists to 101 turnovers which is not good.    Further, he shot 30% from 3 pts range many of those clanks chucked up early in the shot clock which is the same as a turnover as far as i'm concerned.    I'll grant that he's a freshman and had little talent around him and was forced to take the lead.   Not a good situation for a freshman.   I do DC is capable of getting better and hope Ferry understands the above stats and challenges Coulter to improve.   I'm hopeful the Dukes can get a traditional point and move DC to a SG where I think he's better suited.   
 

So you want your shooting guard to be a guy who chucks up clanks from 3 pt. range?

He's too small to play the 2.

ElDuque wrote:

Steve, trust me on this one. He is not one of the better point guards in the league. He had problems bringing the ball up the court against just about everyone. Penn State shut him down with a couple two-guards who he should have had a quickness advantage over. Game after Winters went off for 20-something, Coulter never gave him the ball.

Aaron Jackson, TJ. Talley, Evans, Reggie Jackson, Kojo Mensah, Martin Osimani, Bryant McAllister, Jason Duty -- all better point guards. Tom Cvitkovic was better. Coulter accumulated a lot of numbers this year because he was virtually the only person handling the ball. Talent-wise, I saw nothing that impressed me.

We're in trouble if he's a four year starter.

 
Totally wrong...

Trying to surmise the upside of a point guard (especially a freshman) with the lack of talent in the teams' surrounding cast is impossible.  For the skills of a point guard to be seen and appreciated, he absolutely has to have someone to pass to, someone who is a threat from the paint and/or the perimeter, and (in general), other players who can take the pressure ball defender off of the PG at times. 

No need to say it but we had none of this.  Dont' you get it?  A point guard relies very much on the talent of the other 4 players on the court...look at this guy Comer at FGCU.  He's good, but he's certainly not a giant, but his team is athletic and talented.  If he were couting on Abele to throw down the "alley-oops" he was lofting up there; forget it.

At times, when Q, or somebody else was hitting shots, or the few moments when Andre was doing anything in the paint, Colter looked like an extremely good point guard.

Mark my words he'll end up with over 1,500 points and 600 assists for his Dukes career.