13 scholarships.   There doesnt seem to be a set number of walk-ons allowed.   I think a powerhouse had like 7 walk-ons a few years ago.   
A National Letter of Intent is signed by a college-bound student-athlete agreeing to attend a Division I or II college for one academic year. ... A student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent but decides to attend another college may request a release from his or her contract with the school.

I recall that coaches don't like to say who is a prefered  walk on because
another coach might poach that player with a full scholarship. I agree that KD 
keeps it tight-no leaks.

For me, the scholarship count, those offered, those available is 
a model of  intrigue and mystery.  But I think KD and staff are more
than capable of taking care of business.
 

Wildwood13 your initial question on scholarships was legit and appeared to be straightforward. You were merely asking for information.  Ironduke81's response was respectful and did not appear out of line. Ironduke81's use of "friend" isn't condescending or sarcastic as I read it. My intent tonight is not to defend either party but to request a shake- hands and blow- the-matter-away solution to two non-issue posts.

apluski I agree the use of the casual form of address of "my friend" by Ironduke81 was not meant to be offensive.  I find my self using the same terms a lot of time myself.

luckymed I agree that if a player is "recruited" (however that is defined) he is counted against the 13 limit.  However, I think a walk on is not preclude from getting grants or scholarships like any other students. Moreover, unless the rules have changed this is the definition

A preferred walk-on offer means the coach would like you on the team but cannot (or won't) offer any financial assistance at least for the first year. Preferred walk-ons can earn a scholarship going into their second season, but nothing is guaranteed. 

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CLK wrote:

luckymed I agree that if a player is "recruited" (however that is defined) he is counted against the 13 limit.  However, I think a walk on is not preclude from getting grants or scholarships like any other students. Moreover, unless the rules have changed this is the definition

A preferred walk-on offer means the coach would like you on the team but cannot (or won't) offer any financial assistance at least for the first year. Preferred walk-ons can earn a scholarship going into their second season, but nothing is guaranteed. 

A player is considered to be recruited if any member of the coaching staff meets them in person anywhere off-campus, when the player takes an official visit to the school, or when the player gets a written scholarship offer. So all of the commits with the possible exception of Bekelja would be considered recruited. Once a player is recruited, any money coming from the school counts against the scholarship limit. You are right that players can get money from outside sources and not be counted. Whether the money coming from the school is an athletic scholarship, academic scholarship, grant, loan, or even need-based doesn't matter though. If it comes from the school it counts.

FAM wrote:

General Statement 1. It is difficult with email at times since there is no voice tone and And of course no facial expression. So comments can get easily misconstrued.
General Statement 2. ((Said with a smile and in a positive tone.). I do wish that posters would stop with the critical statements that how dare folks question the coach or his recruiting or other decisions. To question is one of the components of these types of boards. That’s what we can do to discuss- we question- and to say otherwise indicates one doesn’t want to have open discussion. I’m not talking about bashing anyone, I’m talking about questioning as loyal fans. It’s what makes the world go round!!!

use the emojis!   

Wildwood13 wrote:

First of all I am not your friend, were do you get off talking to people the way you do. I am in no way stating the coaching staff doesn't know the amount of players on scholarships and how many they have to offer. I am aware of special cases where an athlete is on scholarship but not an athletic scholarship. I am asking a simple question, because when I entered college in 1976, and the way they do things today is totally different. Please, when I make a post, you RELAX and don't put your sarcastic commentary.

Ouch my bad😱

ElDuque wrote:

I’d guess we spend way too much time worrying about this stuff. Duquesne is responsible to the NCAA. We’ve had the same darned discussion since Coach Dambrot arrived. Yet there is not a jot nor tittle of allegations regarding anything being done incorrectly, save for St. Bonaventure fans on social media, and there you’re talking about people in the frozen tundra of Nowhere USA. Meanwhile we continue to use the names of players and recruits in vain. 

This is one of the reasons our fan base has a bad reputation.

But please, carry on with your nonsense speculation. Much better than talking about the quality of talent on the roster or the bright future the Dukes have.

I have to beg to differ here. I lurk on numerous fan message boards, and I can assure you that this is one of the mildest you'll ever find. Villanova, UConn, Pitt, Penn St., WVU, Dayton, these  boards are rough. You'd be slitting your wrists if you were a fan, and I won't even mention how rough the Steeler boards are. You are going to find very few message boards that are strictly "rah rah, the team is great". Most are full of critics, second guessers, opinionated "experts", and worry warts. That's what message boards are. I can understand if some don't like that, but if that's the case, message boards, and social media in general, are probably not for you. Personally, I've been doing sports message boards for about 25 years, and have been a poster on some that are absolutely vicious, so maybe it's just a case that I've grown a thick skin, but most of what goes on here is very mild, doesn't bother me at all.
I don't think Dukes fans have a bad reputation with regards to behavior. Our reputation is that we don't have any fans. This is what hurts us, and is why we'll probably never get a sniff from the big East. Just my opinion.
 

phil95 wrote:

duq81 wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

I’d guess we spend way too much time worrying about this stuff. Duquesne is responsible to the NCAA. We’ve had the same darned discussion since Coach Dambrot arrived. Yet there is not a jot nor tittle of allegations regarding anything being done incorrectly, save for St. Bonaventure fans on social media, and there you’re talking about people in the frozen tundra of Nowhere USA. Meanwhile we continue to use the names of players and recruits in vain. 

This is one of the reasons our fan base has a bad reputation.

But please, carry on with your nonsense speculation. Much better than talking about the quality of talent on the roster or the bright future the Dukes have.

I have to beg to differ here. I lurk on numerous fan message boards, and I can assure you that this is one of the mildest you'll ever find. Villanova, UConn, Pitt, Penn St., WVU, Dayton, these  boards are rough. You'd be slitting your wrists if you were a fan, and I won't even mention how rough the Steeler boards are. You are going to find very few message boards that are strictly "rah rah, the team is great". Most are full of critics, second guessers, opinionated "experts", and worry warts. That's what message boards are. I can understand if some don't like that, but if that's the case, message boards, and social media in general, are probably not for you. Personally, I've been doing sports message boards for about 25 years, and have been a poster on some that are absolutely vicious, so maybe it's just a case that I've grown a thick skin, but most of what goes on here is very mild, doesn't bother me at all.
I don't think Dukes fans have a bad reputation with regards to behavior. Our reputation is that we don't have any fans. This is what hurts us, and is why we'll probably never get a sniff from the big East. Just my opinion.
 

Great post.

Thanks Phil. While I lurk on many boards, the UConn board is the only other college board where I post. The board is simply fabulous. It's crazy, but informative, very busy, and they allow all kinds of topics. There is every type of poster you can imagine, and they even tolerate a guy from the A10 posting.

ElDuque wrote:

I’d guess we spend way too much time worrying about this stuff. Duquesne is responsible to the NCAA. We’ve had the same darned discussion since Coach Dambrot arrived. Yet there is not a jot nor tittle of allegations regarding anything being done incorrectly, save for St. Bonaventure fans on social media, and there you’re talking about people in the frozen tundra of Nowhere USA. Meanwhile we continue to use the names of players and recruits in vain. 

This is one of the reasons our fan base has a bad reputation.

But please, carry on with your nonsense speculation. Much better than talking about the quality of talent on the roster or the bright future the Dukes have.

ElDuque my friend I agree, but not sure why you picked this thread.  This one is mild in comparison to others.
I do agree, however, that this Board is full of toxic negativity.  I hear/see this comment from many fans who use to post here, and others who comment about this Board on other parts of the internet and laugh at some of the posters here for the crazy crap they say.. There are some posters that I respect very much who crave valid discussions about the Dukes, but regrettably their threads or comments often get hijacked.  I guess I stay here out of force of habit, and try to bring some counter balance even though I have been labeled a cheerleader.  I am not sure how much longer that will last. 

 

Ironduke81 wrote:

CLK wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

I’d guess we spend way too much time worrying about this stuff. Duquesne is responsible to the NCAA. We’ve had the same darned discussion since Coach Dambrot arrived. Yet there is not a jot nor tittle of allegations regarding anything being done incorrectly, save for St. Bonaventure fans on social media, and there you’re talking about people in the frozen tundra of Nowhere USA. Meanwhile we continue to use the names of players and recruits in vain. 

This is one of the reasons our fan base has a bad reputation.

But please, carry on with your nonsense speculation. Much better than talking about the quality of talent on the roster or the bright future the Dukes have.

ElDuque my friend I agree, but not sure why you picked this thread.  This one is mild in comparison to others.
I do agree, however, that this Board is full of toxic negativity.  I hear/see this comment from many fans who use to post here, and others who comment about this Board on other parts of the internet and laugh at some of the posters here for the crazy crap they say.. There are some posters that I respect very much who crave valid discussions about the Dukes, but regrettably their threads or comments often get hijacked.  I guess I stay here out of force of habit, and try to bring some counter balance even though I have been labeled a cheerleader.  I am not sure how much longer that will last. 

 

Amen Brother. But if this board wants to get rough don’t complain & threaten the poster with a lifetime ban. Me personally Coach Dambrot has continued  to improve the program. This last year was fun. Dam Covid 19. No A10 tourney, March Madness & NCAA pools. I’m staying positive. Coach Dambrot & the players deserve it.Go Dukes

We don't ban people around here for their opinions. We'll ban obvious trolls, and folks who make a habit of making personal attacks. If we were ban happy, I would have banned you when you told a lie on me, and accused me of being one of the ones who campaigned to get Ron Everhart fired. Even your buddy CLK knows that was a bald faced lie. I've been here since the Denny Conroy days, and I've never campaigned to get anyone fired, not even BC, who was the worst AD we've ever had. If you can survive a lie like that, you know it will take a lot to get someone banned.

Has there ever been an instance where a player might have gotten an academic scholarship over an athletic scholarship. I’m sure this would alleviate any coach’s pressure with a scholarship restraint. Sorry if it’s a dumb question and I’m also not indicating by any means that DUQ should do this if they were over the limit.