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12/03/2021 8:11 pm  #1


Game Thread - Marshall Thundering Herd

7:00pm EST tip on Saturday 12/04/2021 at the Cam Henderson Center in Huntington, WV
Per KenPom:
Dukes #214 (3-5) vs Marshall Thundering Herd #115 (4-3; 3-3 vs. D-1)
Game prediction: Dukes lose by 9, 82-73 - Dukes with 19% probability of a win.
Betting line: Dukes are 8½ point underdogs; Over/Under 154
Duquesne 3-5 Against the Spread: Marshall 2-3-1 ATS

Dukes Best Win(s): Bradley (195); Rider (270)
Dukes Worst Loss(es): Bowling Green (171); Northeastern (159)
Marshall Best Win(s): Wright St. (151); Louisiana (186)
Marshall Worst Loss(es): Campbell (160); Akron (153)

Four Factors ==> Effective field goal percentage; Turnover percentage; Offensive rebounding percentage; Free throw rate (shown below if team has Top 100 ranking overall or top 4 in conference as a strength; if team has Bottom 100 ranking or bottom 4 in conference as a weakness)

Here's a look at Marshall for the season (national ranking out of 358 teams):
Offensive Strength: Turnover % (38); Effective FG % (84)
Offensive Weakness: None
Defensive Strength: None
Defensive Weakness: None

Here's a look at the Dukes for the season (national ranking out of 358 teams):
Offensive Strength: Offensive Rebound % (74); Turnover % (93)
Offensive Weakness: Effective FG % (263)
Defensive Strength: None
Defensive Weakness: Effective FG % (275)

Points per Possession and Number of Possessions
Marshall Adj Offense Efficiency - 107.6; 64 in D-1 vs Dukes Adj Defense Efficiency - 102.8; 214 in D-1
Marshall Adj Defense Efficiency - 102.4; 201 in D-1 vs Dukes Adj Offense Efficiency - 99.2; 216 in D-1
Marshall Adj Tempo - 75.7; 2 in D-1 vs Dukes Adj Tempo - 67.8; 226 in D-1

Miscellaneous
Experience - Marshall 2.15 yrs; 122 in D-1; Dukes 0.77 yrs; 353 in D-1
Average Height - Marshall 78.5"; 21 in D-1; Dukes 77.2"; 140 in D-1


Haslametrics = has the Dukes as 250th in the country.
Marshall is 145th in the country.
Automated Game Preview:  https://haslametrics.com/preview.php?yr=&tid1=4391&tid2=575&neut=0
Overall Ratings:  http://haslametrics.com/ratings.php

 

12/03/2021 9:03 pm  #2


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Points seem about right.

 

12/04/2021 1:47 pm  #3


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Jackie will get you 25 in this one! If he plays.

 

12/04/2021 6:36 pm  #4


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This game should tell us a lot about this team and the coaching. Watched VCU, UMass, and Davidson today. VCU struggled against a good Campbell team, but they never looked like they were going through the motions and looked to be having fun. Same with UMass who looks much better than I thought. Davidson as well. Point is that it looks like these kids from these other A-10 schools look like they are enjoying their basketball experience, have each others back, and have leaders. Haven't seen that at Duquesne since what feels like forever.

Last edited by Rayrich (12/04/2021 6:37 pm)

 

12/04/2021 7:27 pm  #5


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The Herd can't keep missing all night. But at least Spears seems to have found his game again..

 

12/04/2021 7:41 pm  #6


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Williams tossing up threes hasn't gotten old quick.

 

12/04/2021 7:42 pm  #7


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Rayrich wrote:

Williams tossing up threes hasn't gotten old quick.

This has to end. Someone needs to tell him absolutely not...

 

12/04/2021 7:51 pm  #8


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I’d tell him, but I’m two thousand miles away.  In that 74 game that Duquesne lost, we got hosed by the refs.  What’s more, me and mine were tossed from the joint you’re watching.  What’s more, the local cops escorted us to the edge of town.  Very rude.  That is, we were very rude.

 

12/04/2021 7:52 pm  #9


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Dukes up at 1/2 time . This will tell If Dambrot can coach. Good coaches adjust at half time. We will see. Good coaches win the game at half after adjustments. We will see..

 

12/04/2021 7:57 pm  #10


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Ironduke81 wrote:

Dukes up at 1/2 time . This will tell If Dambrot can coach. Good coaches adjust at half time. We will see. Good coaches win the game at half after adjustments. We will see..

 This could have been the 1st half of a blowout. Catching a team that is shooting cold, and not drawing away doesn't bode well for the 2nd half

 

12/04/2021 8:11 pm  #11


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Why does Dambrot keep telling Okani to play out on the perimeter? He then throws up a brick. No movement on offense. At this point let them run and gun and get out of there way.

 

12/04/2021 8:33 pm  #12


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They are really letting the boys play...letting a little too much slide. 

 

12/04/2021 8:45 pm  #13


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I don't believe this anymore!


Vicimus Atlanticum decem
 

12/04/2021 8:45 pm  #14


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DuqHasBeen wrote:

They are really letting the boys play...letting a little too much slide. 

Refs should be ashamed. Didn't call anything and let the game get completely out of hand, then started making calls at the end of the game that influenced the outcome. 

I think the Dukes were robbed. Still don't understand the amount of time Larson gets while not being a scoring threat, but that is a Dambrot problem and not a Larson problem. He was hustling to help the team win. 

 

 

12/04/2021 8:51 pm  #15


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Let's play playground ball with the game on the line and 10 seconds left - great idea.

 

12/04/2021 9:00 pm  #16


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Did Acuff see the court in second half? Had a great first half. Your not going to get calls late if your coach doesn't question bad calls beforehand, or isn't even aware of them. This loss was a total disgrace. Falls entirely on Dambrot. Spears kept them in it.  Any decent players like Spears will be entering the transfer portal after the season is over no doubt. Nobody coaching defense on this staff. Disgusting.
 

 

12/04/2021 9:00 pm  #17


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DuqHasBeen wrote:

DuqHasBeen wrote:

They are really letting the boys play...letting a little too much slide. 

Refs should be ashamed. Didn't call anything and let the game get completely out of hand, then started making calls at the end of the game that influenced the outcome. 

I think the Dukes were robbed. Still don't understand the amount of time Larson gets while not being a scoring threat, but that is a Dambrot problem and not a Larson problem. He was hustling to help the team win. 

 

Larson's bad minutes are not made up for by the 2 positive minutes he gave at the end. He has heart & effort but is not nearly good enough to play at this level.

 

12/04/2021 10:00 pm  #18


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As long as we’re pilling up on a newbe team, which isn’t nearly as good as the rose colored glasses promised, what is the point of this offense?  There doesn’t seem to be a layup in the whole of it.  Is the design to get a three point shot?  If so, great.  If not, then what’s the point?  Pass, pass, or not, then a rush to a one on one drive. Crazy.  Put the Princeton offense in and get some back cuts.  I’ll be watching next year if I survive.

 

12/04/2021 10:39 pm  #19


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As bad as the offensive scheme is, the substitution patterns are even worse. Where was Acuff in the second half? Rotroff has hustled his ass off the last couple games and seems to have been penalized for it. Okani and Johnson have taken the brunt of this coaches criticism lately and both look hesitant and out of place. KD has Okani standing out there on the three point line as if he's a threat. Acuff could thrive as he did in the first half (not to be seen in the 2nd half) if given the chance. This coaching staff is lost at this point or at least the head coach is. Don't think the assistants would approve of his methods or lack thereof behind close doors or maybe they do which would make matters even worse. Nonetheless, this team is going nowhere. Progression is at a standstill. Feel sorry for the players at this point. They have talent and would thrive and develop with a half decent coach.We will lose Spears and most likely Ayers to the transfer portal, along with Johnson if this lack of coaching continues.

 

12/04/2021 11:42 pm  #20


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This team lacks the talent to belong in the A10.There are maybe 3 players who can play at A10 level.The
rest no matter how much playing time wont significantly improve so this is a major rebuild.We struggled to beat American and Rider..These are bottom feeders of college basketball.The program is a mess.If Dukes
played American and Rider on road Dukes would lose.









 

 

12/05/2021 8:57 am  #21


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Man, you guys are ruthless.  It takes time to build the kind of chemistry it takes to win road games against a higher rated opponent in a notoriously tough place to play. Despite being a decided underdog the team was in position to win with under ten seconds to play. Marshall made a shot and the Dukes didn’t.  If there wasn’t talent, and progress wasn’t being made; the game would not have been decided in the last seconds.  It would have been an 8-9 point loss as the line predicted.

Stay calm and please stop suggested that all of the players will transfer after every loss; this is not being constructive!

 

12/05/2021 9:31 am  #22


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Levon - I agree with two statements you made.  First, developing chemistry takes time and second, I don’t consider it appropriate to already talk transfers. 
Now, having said that, any excuse for several of our losses regarding chemistry or inexperience simply does not fly.  We have made the kind of mistakes to cost us games that should have been corrected in junior high or earlier.  I always look to the next game with hope but I find myself wondering what form the loss will take.  I will never throw in the towel but we are making even us eternal optimists struggle.

 

12/05/2021 10:35 am  #23


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I too agree with the comments on chemistry.  But, it falls back on the coach because he keeps losing his better players.  The chemistry does seem to be getting better though.  Last night, there were a lot of unselfish passes, particularly in the first half, that led to points.  
What I don't understand is why we didn't call a timeout to set up a play after the final Marshall basket?  Were we out of timeouts?  
I heard Dambrot comment in an earlier interview that this team would play more from the outside due to the makeup of the players.  I think Williams replaces Hughes.  But, Easely is no Marcus.  A good player, but he is not as physical.  I think this is why the shooting has moved outside. 
Like everyone on this board, I am frustrated with this program after another 5 years of waiting.  Dambrot commented earlier that he expected problems, but his goal was to be the most improved team in the NCAA by the end of the season.  Maybe so.  That's what I hope for too.  After all, the last time this team made the tournament, they were 10-14 during the regular season.

Last edited by indygjm (12/05/2021 10:43 am)

 

12/05/2021 11:50 am  #24


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levon1975 wrote:

Man, you guys are ruthless. It takes time to build the kind of chemistry it takes to win road games against a higher rated opponent in a notoriously tough place to play.constructive!

Yeah but that is tough to do when your best players leave every year, some even in the middle of the season.  Last spring when everyone was drinking the kool aid about the "best team ever" and "all the talent coming in" I made a comment about chemistry and pretty much got pilloried for it.

If this team stays together and gets better over the season, which others have noted seems to be happening a bit, then things will be definitely going in the right direction. Transfers again next year and filling holes with anyone they can get and this program may be on its last legs.

 


Vicimus Atlanticum decem
 

12/05/2021 1:15 pm  #25


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levon1975, I agree that Duquesne competed well against a higher ranked team on the road.  However, Marshall didn't shoot well in the first half and Duquesne had a 17 point lead.  It is disappointing and deflating to lose games when you have had double digit leads relatively late in the game and that seems to be a pattern so far this season.   I think good teams win those games whether they play at home or on the road.   

I can't remember when Duquesne had a player who could be counted on to come through at crunch time...Aaron Jackson maybe?  If there are others, I can't recall them.  It would be great to see someone develop to be that guy.  Hopefully, Duquesne will get better as the season progresses and will win its share of games.  Time will tell.

 

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