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2/17/2023 5:30 pm  #1


Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

8:00pm EST tip on Saturday 02/18/2023 at the Chaifetz Arena, Saint Louis, MO

Per KenPom (363 D-1 Teams):
Dukes #107 (18-8; 8-5 A-10) vs Saint Louis Billikens #101 (17-9; 16-9 vs D-1; 9-4 A-10)
Game prediction: Dukes lose by 3, 76-73 - Dukes with a 37% probability of a win.
https://kenpom.com/gameprep.php?g=4975

Per Haslametrics:
Dukes #83 vs Saint Louis #122
Game prediction:  Dukes win by 1, 72.21-71.34
https://haslametrics.com/preview.php?yr=&tid1=4391&tid2=301&neut=0

Betting line: Dukes are 4 point underdogs; Over/Under 147½
Duquesne 15-11 Against the Spread: Saint Louis 11-14 ATS

Duquesne Game Notes: https://goduquesne.com/news/2023/2/17/mens-basketball-preview-duquesne-at-saint-louis.aspx
Saint Louis Game Notes: https://slubillikens.com/news/2023/2/17/mens-basketball-mbb-preview-billikens-host-duquesne-saturday-night.aspx

Sports Reference College Basketball Team Pages:
Duquesne: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/duquesne/men/2023.html
Saint Louis: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/saint-louis/men/2023.html

Dukes KenPom Best Wins: VCU (84); Indiana St. (94); UCSB (105); Colgate (112); Ball St. (141); DePaul (142); George Mason (118)
Dukes KenPom Worst Losses: UMass (210); New Mexico St (189); St. Bonaventure (174); Richmond (156); Fordham (132); Marshall (80); Dayton (72) 
Saint Louis KenPom Best Wins: Providence (30); Memphis (37); Drake (78); Southern Illinois (134); Davidson-2 (144); George Mason (148)
Saint Louis KenPom Worst Losses: SIU-Edwardsville (231); UMass (210); Fordham (132); VCU (84) 

Shooting Percentage Offense/Defense (per KenPom)
Dukes 3 Point:  Offense 36.6%, 52 in D-1; Defense 34.7%, 230 in D-1
Saint Louis 3 Point:  Offense 34.7%, 150 in D-1; Defense 33.0%, 118 in D-1
Dukes 2 Point:  Offense 48.5%, 246 in D-1; Defense 47.2%, 66 in D-1
Saint Louis 2 Point:  Offense 50.9%, 154 in D-1; Defense 46.0%, 32 in D-1
Dukes FT:  Offense 68.3%, 289 in D-1; Defense 68.5%, 49 in D-1
Saint Louis FT:  Offense 73.1%, 121 in D-1; Defense 72.6%, 246 in D-1

Points per Possession and Number of Possessions (per KenPom)
Saint Louis Adj Offense Efficiency - 110.3; 76 in D-1 vs Dukes Adj Defense Efficiency - 101.9; 107 in D-1
Saint Louis Adj Defense Efficiency - 103.7; 147 in D-1 vs Dukes Adj Offense Efficiency - 108.1; 116 in D-1
Saint Louis Adj Tempo - 69.1; 104 in D-1 vs Dukes Adj Tempo - 68.1; 143 in D-1

Miscellaneous (per KenPom)
D-1 Experience - Saint Louis 3.00 yrs; 17 in D-1; Dukes 2.11 yrs; 140 in D-1
Average Height - Saint Louis 76.7"; 251 in D-1; Dukes 76.0"; 331 in D-1

 

2/18/2023 9:02 am  #2


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

I think we win this one but I'm not going to overreact to a loss.  On the road against a top 4 team is no easy business.  

 

2/18/2023 10:21 am  #3


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

I agree with most of the rating systems showing these teams to be very close.  SLU may have the edge on their own court. 
A breakthrough win if the Dukes can snatch it.
If the Dukes can force the turnovers, they win.
GO DUKES!!

Last edited by coffee (2/18/2023 10:23 am)


COFFEE
http://duquesnesports.blogspot.com/
Attitude is everything
 

2/18/2023 10:56 am  #4


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

This is a huge game against St.Louis,we need to win to get into top 100 rankings and shake things up
in A10.Dukes lose and we are going to have difficulty being top 4 team and Dukes get less respect.Can
we win this game,yes we have a good shot.I think St.Joes is a better team than St..Louis.

 

2/18/2023 12:23 pm  #5


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

The magic number tonight is 70 - if the Dukes can hold Saint Louis to under 70 points, I believe that the Dukes will walk away with a win.  Saint Louis' record is 1-8 when they score less than 70.

For me, one of the big keys tonight is Quincy McGriff. His size and skill set can help negate Saint Louis' bigger lineup (starting 5 at 6-0, 6-5, 6-5, 6-6 and 6-9) if he steps up and plays defense.  Likely, Clark will be matched up against Jimerson.  

Another key will be how the game is going to be called.  Likely, we will have 3 refs from the Midwest that haven't called a Dukes game this year.  Maybe this will work in our favor as compared to what we have seen in some A10 games.

Line is up to 5 points.

     Thread Starter
 

2/18/2023 12:44 pm  #6


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Again thanks PR for your game day statistics. 👍 I don’t like the offensive & defensive statistics for this game. Plus SLU at home. Should have a good crowd for Saturday night. Dukes got to stop Jemerson from raining threes. Fortunately Dukes on a roll. Huge opportunity to make a statement with a win. Go Dukes.

 

2/18/2023 12:46 pm  #7


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

The magic number tonight is 70 - if the Dukes can hold Saint Louis to under 70 points, I believe that the Dukes will walk away with a win.  Saint Louis' record is 1-8 when they score less than 70.

For me, one of the big keys tonight is Quincy McGriff. His size and skill set can help negate Saint Louis' bigger lineup (starting 5 at 6-0, 6-5, 6-5, 6-6 and 6-9) if he steps up and plays defense.  Likely, Clark will be matched up against Jimerson.  

Another key will be how the game is going to be called.  Likely, we will have 3 refs from the Midwest that haven't called a Dukes game this year.  Maybe this will work in our favor as compared to what we have seen in some A10 games.

Line is up to 5 points.

I'm thinking Jimmy Clark will be matched up with Yuri Collins and Dae Dae will get Jimerson.  If those 2 do a good job on defense and Tre Williams does the same against Okoro then we can keep SLU in the 50s or 60s and get a win.

Another player I'm looking at is St. Louis native Joe Reese.  A big game from Joe in front of friends and family would be a big help in getting a win.
 

 

2/18/2023 1:02 pm  #8


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

If we are really going to make noise and think about a a10 tournament championship this game goes a long way  if we win.It feels like Duquesne is going to make a powerful statement with a win and if the shots are falling and Grant plays well  folks will start taking notice.GO BLUFFITES.

 

2/18/2023 1:07 pm  #9


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Biggest game since Duquesne Temple A10 championship game.
 when Ajax was playing.

 

2/18/2023 1:22 pm  #10


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

VBC wrote:

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

The magic number tonight is 70 - if the Dukes can hold Saint Louis to under 70 points, I believe that the Dukes will walk away with a win.  Saint Louis' record is 1-8 when they score less than 70.

For me, one of the big keys tonight is Quincy McGriff. His size and skill set can help negate Saint Louis' bigger lineup (starting 5 at 6-0, 6-5, 6-5, 6-6 and 6-9) if he steps up and plays defense.  Likely, Clark will be matched up against Jimerson.  

Another key will be how the game is going to be called.  Likely, we will have 3 refs from the Midwest that haven't called a Dukes game this year.  Maybe this will work in our favor as compared to what we have seen in some A10 games.

Line is up to 5 points.

I'm thinking Jimmy Clark will be matched up with Yuri Collins and Dae Dae will get Jimerson.  If those 2 do a good job on defense and Tre Williams does the same against Okoro then we can keep SLU in the 50s or 60s and get a win.

Another player I'm looking at is St. Louis native Joe Reese.  A big game from Joe in front of friends and family would be a big help in getting a win.
 

You would like to have 2 Clarks to guard Collins and Jimerson.  I just don't know who Brewer/Rozier will be able to guard if it is not Collins; Pickett or Perkins are significant size matchup issues for our small guards.

Good point on Joe Reece's homecoming game.

     Thread Starter
 

2/18/2023 3:24 pm  #11


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

stew wrote:

This is a huge game against St.Louis,we need to win to get into top 100 rankings and shake things up
in A10.Dukes lose and we are going to have difficulty being top 4 team and Dukes get less respect.Can
we win this game,yes we have a good shot.I think St.Joes is a better team than St..Louis.

If we play loose and play fast, with the focus to win more than being afraid to loose for pushing the pace,then we likely can run over them.

 

2/18/2023 4:04 pm  #12


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Collins is the head of the snake.  Everything goes through him. Excited to see how Dambrot elects to cut the head off. Do we put Clark’s size on him and make someone else create their game? Or de we risk Brewer on Collins and let him throw over/around him? I think I would prefer to disrupt Collins’ rhythm with Clark, Grant on Jimerson, and dare Perkins who is coming off a major injury last season to iso on Brewer. From the games I have watched, the more we can disrupt Collins, the better. Easier said than done though when dealing with the top assist man in the nation.

 

2/18/2023 5:03 pm  #13


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

A win tonight puts the Dukes into a 3 way tie for 3rd place (Fordham got crushed by VCU this afternoon).

     Thread Starter
 

2/18/2023 5:34 pm  #14


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

A win tonight puts the Dukes into a 3 way tie for 3rd place (Fordham got crushed by VCU this afternoon).

I believe with the tie breakers will hold the 4th seed and a double bye while being tied for 3rd..  If we can get this one we have a chance at getting into the double bye group and never looking back. A win tonight and 13-5 is not out of the question.
 

 

2/18/2023 7:10 pm  #15


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Is it just me, or does it seem like we NEVER play St. Louis at home?


Vicimus Atlanticum decem
 

2/18/2023 8:32 pm  #16


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Guess I don't understand: how can you have defensive goaltending without touching the ball, the rim, or the net?

 

2/18/2023 8:33 pm  #17


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Big lead for the Dukes…here comes the bogus whistles. A tale as old as time.  I realize 3-seconds isn’t called too often, but they could call 7-seconds on Okoro haha. Give me a break. Great start Dukes!

 

2/18/2023 8:47 pm  #18


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Okoro pushes in the back on every shot.

 

2/18/2023 8:53 pm  #19


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Ugly turnovers and no glasswork gave up the big lead. Our best rebounder is watching from the bench. Yes, Rotroff.

Last edited by applecorps (2/18/2023 8:53 pm)

 

2/18/2023 8:54 pm  #20


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

Up by 15, then sit back in half court then up  by only  2 at half?  This is a shame. Not only let them back in the game, it's like KD is helping St. L. back in it. Second half better be at a fast pace or forget about it.

 

2/18/2023 8:55 pm  #21


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

NapaDuke wrote:

My God, more half-court even less scoring.!!!

Napa, it may have appeared we slowed the game down but we did not. We just failed to get stops for that stretch and/or whistles allowed them to set their defense. I would expect us to keep running every chance we get.

 

2/18/2023 8:58 pm  #22


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

CityDuke wrote:

NapaDuke wrote:

My God, more half-court even less scoring.!!!

Napa, it may have appeared we slowed the game down but we did not. We just failed to get stops for that stretch and/or whistles allowed them to set their defense. I would expect us to keep running every chance we get.

No, at least 4 times with the rebound we slowed up in transition in the last 4 plus minutes to set a half-court when we had the ball and a lane to the basket. We didn't take it. That's not how to defeat this team. But St. Louis did just that?

Last edited by NapaDuke (2/18/2023 8:58 pm)

 

2/18/2023 8:58 pm  #23


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

NapaDuke wrote:

Up by 15, then sit back in half court then up  by only  2 at half?  This is a shame. Not only let them back in the game, it's like KD is helping St. L. back in it. Second half better be at a fast pace or forget about it.

 
Yeah... Dambrot wants the Dukes to turn the ball over too.   He likes close games. 

Doesn’t matter if we keep giving them the ball.

WTF... he’s not playing point guard.

Last edited by coffee (2/18/2023 9:06 pm)


COFFEE
http://duquesnesports.blogspot.com/
Attitude is everything
 

2/18/2023 9:02 pm  #24


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

You don't pull your hot hands (Brewer and Grant on offense, and Clark on defense) when you jump out to a 15 point lead. Brewer was in a zone man. Should have gotten 15 minutes playing time, but instead, Rozier comes in and it's a 2 point game at half. Thinking Brewer was a plus ten and Rozier a minus 15 from what I watched. Not gonna win this game unless you put your best players out there for the majority of minutes. Sorry not to see Dixon playing. He could have really helped especially on defense, as Reese is a bit of a defensive liability at this point (understatement of the year). Got to win this game Dukes. The double bye is on the line and a win might give you a tad of respect among the masses who see this program as a joke. Not that I give a shoot about what they think. C'mon Dukes make a statement just once. 

 

2/18/2023 9:05 pm  #25


Re: Game Thread - Saint Louis University Billikens

coffee wrote:

NapaDuke wrote:

Up by 15, then sit back in half court then up  by only  2 at half?  This is a shame. Not only let them back in the game, it's like KD is helping St. L. back in it. Second half better be at a fast pace or forget about it.

 
Yeah... Dambrot wants the Dukes to turn the ball over. He likes close games.

WTF... he’s not playing point guard.

Just look at ST.'Louis last four or five rebounds to transition. Did the Dukes? Well no. Didn't push it up but went to a set half court, then what just happened? If KD didn't change to half-court then who else is running this team?
 

Last edited by NapaDuke (2/18/2023 9:06 pm)

 

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