That list with first names had my old brain working. 

CTS wrote:

Thanks for posting this. I think Arness is also one to add based on his commitment

CTS:  I did not include Arness ONLY because of all those players (mostly in football) who 'Decide to Reopen Their Commitment"   And we see posts on the internet where school ABC is pursuing school XYZ's commitment

I'm fairly certain the period when high school players can sign Letters of Intent opens April 19th.

THANKS for the input.
 

Last edited by SkepticAl (3/26/2025 3:55 pm)

Both men's & women's teams definitely have 15 scholarships to offer for the 25-26 school year.

Yes, the 15 scholarship limit is in effect next year for men’s basketball. Another change is that you can now split scholarships between players; basketball is no longer a headcount sport (one player=one scholarship). Finally, the cost of these scholarships will count against a school’s NIL cap. Thus, more scholarships given results in less NIL money available. NIL money is now being handled by the schools themselves; no more NIL collectives. A whole new landscape for next year is in play.

phil95 wrote:

For now, the collectives are much more likely to evolve than disappear. While there will be much litigation to determine the legality of this, the collectives are fast reorganizing as a back channel for schools to funnel money to players without having to sweat the Title IX compliance issues that the schools do. Collectives remain private entities that are subject to very little federal regulation.

Collectives also have the ability to get player agents & family members included in their deals so that recruiting goes their school's way. This too gives an enormous advantage to the haves over the have nots.

Interesting points, phil95, regarding the evolution of the collectives. As I understand it, they can no longer be associated with or sponsored by the schools; but who is going to patrol these back channel family and friends payments. The NCAA currently is drafting the rules and reporting framework for schools to follow; unless they put some real teeth into these rules which can stand a court test, we know the NCAA can’t control anything.

CLK wrote:

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

Yes, the 15 scholarship limit is in effect next year for men’s basketball. Another change is that you can now split scholarships between players; basketball is no longer a headcount sport (one player=one scholarship). Finally, the cost of these scholarships will count against a school’s NIL cap. Thus, more scholarships given results in less NIL money available. NIL money is now being handled by the schools themselves; no more NIL collectives. A whole new landscape for next year is in play.

If I understand correctly, one of the harshest aspects of the new NCAA 15 player roster rule is that it applies to walk on players. Kids that have, in some cases, invested years in the program are no longer officially on the team. Duquesne had 5 walk on players last season. Such is college basketball today 😟

CLK, you are correct regarding the hard and fast roster limit of 15. It’s going to be interesting to see how the Dukes and other schools build and manage their roster.

I would assume that Duquesne will establish a line item budget for men’s basketball player costs which would include scholarship value (probably around $60,000 per scholarship) and NIL. Let’s say Duquesne’s budget will be $2 million. Now build a roster.

Do you offer 10 scholarships total?  There goes 30% of your budget. Do you give those 10 scholarships to 10 players or offer up full scholarships to 8 players and half scholarships to 4 players? 

Continuing on the above example/exercise, you now have $1.4 million left to pay NIL money. How do you distribute it?  Do you focus on 3 really good players (which may cost you a $1 million in NIL) and then spread the remainder around to the other scholarship players?  It’s the great unknown.

I came across this site. Found it interesting to look at; I have no idea about the validity or significance. But someone put a lot of time, thought and effort into this so to me it was worth an exploration. Take a look at the valuation of Tre and Kareem projected in the portal.

https://nkal11.shinyapps.io/portal_database/

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

CLK wrote:

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

Yes, the 15 scholarship limit is in effect next year for men’s basketball. Another change is that you can now split scholarships between players; basketball is no longer a headcount sport (one player=one scholarship). Finally, the cost of these scholarships will count against a school’s NIL cap. Thus, more scholarships given results in less NIL money available. NIL money is now being handled by the schools themselves; no more NIL collectives. A whole new landscape for next year is in play.

If I understand correctly, one of the harshest aspects of the new NCAA 15 player roster rule is that it applies to walk on players. Kids that have, in some cases, invested years in the program are no longer officially on the team. Duquesne had 5 walk on players last season. Such is college basketball today 😟

CLK, you are correct regarding the hard and fast roster limit of 15. It’s going to be interesting to see how the Dukes and other schools build and manage their roster.

I would assume that Duquesne will establish a line item budget for men’s basketball player costs which would include scholarship value (probably around $60,000 per scholarship) and NIL. Let’s say Duquesne’s budget will be $2 million. Now build a roster.

Do you offer 10 scholarships total? There goes 30% of your budget. Do you give those 10 scholarships to 10 players or offer up full scholarships to 8 players and half scholarships to 4 players?

Continuing on the above example/exercise, you now have $1.4 million left to pay NIL money. How do you distribute it? Do you focus on 3 really good players (which may cost you a $1 million in NIL) and then spread the remainder around to the other scholarship players? It’s the great unknown.

I came across this site. Found it interesting to look at; I have no idea about the validity or significance. But someone put a lot of time, thought and effort into this so to me it was worth an exploration. Take a look at the valuation of Tre and Kareem projected in the portal.

https://nkal11.shinyapps.io/portal_database/

Phoenix, great post. This is no doubt the thought process and major challenge for low and mid major schools with limited resources.  If those numbers in the link are correct, which I don't, in a few years the NCAA will be composed of only P4 leagues.    
 

CLK wrote:

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

CLK wrote:

If I understand correctly, one of the harshest aspects of the new NCAA 15 player roster rule is that it applies to walk on players. Kids that have, in some cases, invested years in the program are no longer officially on the team. Duquesne had 5 walk on players last season. Such is college basketball today 😟

CLK, you are correct regarding the hard and fast roster limit of 15. It’s going to be interesting to see how the Dukes and other schools build and manage their roster.

I would assume that Duquesne will establish a line item budget for men’s basketball player costs which would include scholarship value (probably around $60,000 per scholarship) and NIL. Let’s say Duquesne’s budget will be $2 million. Now build a roster.

Do you offer 10 scholarships total? There goes 30% of your budget. Do you give those 10 scholarships to 10 players or offer up full scholarships to 8 players and half scholarships to 4 players?

Continuing on the above example/exercise, you now have $1.4 million left to pay NIL money. How do you distribute it? Do you focus on 3 really good players (which may cost you a $1 million in NIL) and then spread the remainder around to the other scholarship players? It’s the great unknown.

I came across this site. Found it interesting to look at; I have no idea about the validity or significance. But someone put a lot of time, thought and effort into this so to me it was worth an exploration. Take a look at the valuation of Tre and Kareem projected in the portal.

https://nkal11.shinyapps.io/portal_database/

Phoenix, great post. This is no doubt the thought process and major challenge for low and mid major schools with limited resources.  If those numbers in the link are correct, which I don't, in a few years the NCAA will be composed of only P4 leagues.    
 

OR possibly the P4 will become the P2 as the gap between the SEC and Big 10 widens between the Big 12 and the ACC in Football will it affect BB in some shape or form.  Recent article about UConn - First Page of USA Today Sports Section --  Talks about funding Problems in Athletic Department and University as a Whole.  Team was coming of TWO Nattys in Hoops (and their performance this year wasn't too shabby as they got eliminated by a higher seed after it was published)  Womens BB - while they haven't won the National Title that recently Final Fours are almost automatic. Regular season games routinely sell out in a fairly large facility.  IF a school like them is having problems...What about Schools like DU, St Bonnie, La Salle etc -  MAYBE even EVERYONE in the A-10 except Dayton and maybe St.Louis

WHAT happens to the Big 12 and the ACC (NOT that I care)  If the Big 10 and SEC decide to poach a few schools from them.

SPECIAL SHOUT OUT (Almost typed Shut OUT )  To all the posters who have provided information..was Hoping this could be like an "airport"  arrivals/departures in relation to the 15 number of scholarship status
 

Last edited by SkepticAl (3/27/2025 11:50 am)

SFU had a couple guards that could interest Joyce.   

 

townsonkid wrote:

SFU had a couple guards that could interest Joyce.   

 

Cranford and Parker are both quality players. Cranford is a stud.