Sorry for forgetting your post Rog. You might notice how now, when a kid at the end of the bench "decides to transfer", the coach works to find him a spot to land. APR is likely the reason, as it's much better for you if these kids continue towards a degree, even at another school.


You might notice that the op doesn't have a single additional post in this thread. Classic troll!

duq81 wrote:

Sorry for forgetting your post Rog. You might notice how now, when a kid at the end of the bench "decides to transfer", the coach works to find him a spot to land. APR is likely the reason, as it's much better for you if these kids continue towards a degree, even at another school.


You might notice that the op doesn't have a single additional post in this thread. Classic troll!

 
'81 - what's an " op" ?

Also, were you referring to me when you posted this? : Another suggestion, don't come here posting about what is on another message board. If you don't like what Steve wrote, debate it with him on
HIS BOARD!

And finally, I'm never going to forget or let go of the fact that someone who represented my school was classless and mean spirited enough to add injury and insult to the firing of Ron Everhart by referring to his successor as a next level coach - especially when his successor's D1 record didn't strongly support that.

rogabee wrote:

OP = original poster.  Thus duq81 wasn't referring to you westender.

 
Thanks rog. I'm not up to speed with abbreviations in the digital world.

duq81 wrote:

Westender wrote:

rogabee wrote:

OP = original poster.  Thus duq81 wasn't referring to you westender.

 
Thanks rog. I'm not up to speed with abbreviations in the digital world.

Goodness, you must be older than me. I'll have to share some of my Geritol with you at a game someday. West, I would never try to defend the classless way Ron was let go. I separate that, from the decision itself. While many may disagree with the decision to fire Ron, you can make a case for letting him go, though you may not agree. GA should have been upfront with Ron about his intentions. His only statement should have been the following. "We thank Ron Everhart for his hard work in improving the basketball program at Duquesne. We feel that the program is in a much better spot than it was 6 years. However, at this time, we feel that the program has lost it's momentum, and that a coaching change is the best way to regain this."  That is all he needed to say.

Of course, I said time and time again, that the main reason GA made the move, was that he had lost confidence in Ron, and he feared that if the team posted a poor record, which they were definitely going to do in 2012-13, he might end up going down with Everhart. Looking back at the whole situation, you can see how the collapse after the 11 game winning streak set the stage for Ron eventually losing his job. It kept him from getting an extension that would have secured his position for at least another 3 years. The aftermath of that season also marked the rise of negativity towards Ron on this message board. Ron got mosty love here his first 4 years, but it began to get a bit nasty after his fifth season. Some might remember the constant negativity from Web, who was pretty much the first poster to call for Ron to be fired. You can be sure that GA was reading the board. I also wonder if the two high school coaches who had sons on the team were in GA's ear? I have no proof, but I do wonder.
 

Duq81 this board did not exist when Ron was fired.  The negativity towards Ron was on the old unmonitored Scout Board, and on the Yuku board where it still continues for some mindless reason.

Scotchngars wrote:

and he feared that if the team posted a poor record, which they were definitely going to do in 2012-13,
Wow, and not a game was played that year under Everhart, but like Steve you can predict the outcome, right back to my OP!

The roster was basically gutted, which is why Ron was out there busting his tail when he got fired. You don't win in the A10 with a bunch of new players. It never happens, which is why Ron needed an extension if he were going to be able to rebuild the team. Prior to that season, when Ron lost a star player, he always had a remaining star to rebuild around. When TJ bailed, he lost that star. There was nothing even close to a player he could build around on that roster. He knew it, which is why he was out there trying to get some talent. It's one thing to think that given time, Ron might have a pretty good team right now with the guys he was going to bring in. It's fantasy to think that Datt, Panto, Sean Johnson, and Jerry Jones were going to be able to compete in a league as powerful as that year's A10. Ron needed an extension right then. If he couldn't get it then, he certainly wasn't going to be given one after a losing season. I don't know what it was that poisoned the relationship between Ron and GA, but minus the support of GA, any rough patch was going to put Ron in jeopardy, whic is what happened. You'll never convince me that GA didn't fire Ron to buy himself more time.

Cas, as for this being a different board, you're nitpicking a bit. I would consider this board to be the linear successor to the Scout, and before that, the Voy board, as it's the same people moderating, and mostly the same posters. The Scout board got very ugly after we lost the ability to moderate, which is why we came here. Yes, we have a different host, but to me the board is us, not the place where it's hosted.
 

Len the Scout board had no monitors for quite a while before Ron was fired.  I am not nitpicking as myself and many other who post here left that site after the crazies took over, and while I can agree it was an extension when we had control, at the time reference it was not. 

Ironduke81 wrote:

Unfortunately history is written by the winners GA won as evidenced by firing Ron. Fortunately there are a few who are loyal & appreciate every effort Ron gave to this program & Duquesne.Whatever happens to the current regime Ron will be thrown into the previous failures as coaches ADs & Presidents. If the dukes are Nit & NCAA bound within the next 2 years good for the University.However I am repulsed by those who befriended then turned on him by rewriting history yes 5 winning seasons in a row plus A 10 championship loss to temple. Secondly the way his termination was handled is an embarrassment to this catholic University.Warning to Coach Ferry these same people will turn on you in a second. Don't waste your time like Ron did attend funerals,hospitals invite to your home locker room weddings etc. These people are not foxhole fans. Win get out save your career . Unfortunately there is a cancer around this program.

I don't doubt Ferry will be out the door if he succeeds here. He strikes me as ambitious, and a climber. That is one of the things I like about him. I expect us to have a new coach 18 months from now. Schools always have to deal with the threat of their coach leaving. Xavier is on their sixth coach since Bob Staak built their program. They just keep rolling on.

With no offense to any previous posters, can we move on from this type of discussion? Right or wrong many of the topics on this board are centered around events that happened years ago (in some instances even more). I read many other team's boards in the A10 and the majority of their dicussion is centered around recruiting and the development of their current players. I have never seen so much back and forth regarding dead issues. Hopefully we can get to the point soon where we can all move on from the past and focus on the future. Maybe a new topic could be how to develop the funds to compete facility wise in our league?

Let's not "eat the young" here.

DukesFan79, no one here is "hanging on to the unchangeable past." There are other threads with better topics and certainly you made some valid points. Just as I ask "longtimers" not to bash newcomers to the Board, I similarly ask you not to paint this Board or its posters with broad brush strokes. Thanks.

I thought I'd clear the air on a few points I noticed in the thread.

1) We've never drawn a single dime from the message board. The ads are run by Yuku and we allow them to run  in lieu of paying a fee to run without banners. We've been running shop over there for 6 years and I've not seen a single complaint about them until this thread. Fansided does pay us but if I told you how much we get compared to how much time we spend writing, researching or promoting it, you'd laugh. I promise, I don't write because of the salary.

2) Why did I write this piece? My primary motivations were because the topic interested me and I thought it might interest others. That's pretty much the reason I write anything that I publish.

3) ED, are you suggesting I'm one of Dunlap's minions? I liked his stuff and the dedication he approached the beat with when he first began writing for the Dukes, not unlike you did as I recall. Without going into detail, he and I haven't seen eye to eye in many years. My ideas are my own and certainly not influenced by him in any way.

4) Sincere question, did any of those irritated by the piece actually read the entire entry? I give credit to Ron for at least restoring the program to some level of credibility and mediocrity. That was no small task and if the Dukes do get to the next level soon, I'm going to give him a substantial amount of credit when they do. This isn't a trash job though any reasonable critique of Everhart seems to be labeled as one.

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duq81 wrote:

Westender wrote:

rogabee wrote:

OP = original poster.  Thus duq81 wasn't referring to you westender.

 
Thanks rog. I'm not up to speed with abbreviations in the digital world.

Goodness, you must be older than me. I'll have to share some of my Geritol with you at a game someday. West, I would never try to defend the classless way Ron was let go. I separate that, from the decision itself. While many may disagree with the decision to fire Ron, you can make a case for letting him go, though you may not agree. GA should have been upfront with Ron about his intentions. His only statement should have been the following. "We thank Ron Everhart for his hard work in improving the basketball program at Duquesne. We feel that the program is in a much better spot than it was 6 years. However, at this time, we feel that the program has lost it's momentum, and that a coaching change is the best way to regain this."  That is all he needed to say.

Of course, I said time and time again, that the main reason GA made the move, was that he had lost confidence in Ron, and he feared that if the team posted a poor record, which they were definitely going to do in 2012-13, he might end up going down with Everhart. Looking back at the whole situation, you can see how the collapse after the 11 game winning streak set the stage for Ron eventually losing his job. It kept him from getting an extension that would have secured his position for at least another 3 years. The aftermath of that season also marked the rise of negativity towards Ron on this message board. Ron got mosty love here his first 4 years, but it began to get a bit nasty after his fifth season. Some might remember the constant negativity from Web, who was pretty much the first poster to call for Ron to be fired. You can be sure that GA was reading the board. I also wonder if the two high school coaches who had sons on the team were in GA's ear? I have no proof, but I do wonder.
 

 
'81, I've been away from the board for a few days.Yes, I might be older than you. I know many of the abbreviations, but just couldn't come up with what "op" could mean.I thought it was referring to Scotch's original post, but wasn't sure.As for the rest of your post above, I agree with everything you say about how GA should have handled the firing.

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