DukesFan79 wrote:

That is exactly the point...anyone who thinks that is excessive but disputes that we should join the Partriot League or NEC is kidding themselves.

The point in referencing salaries was to show how little 1 million dollars is (in this situation of course) in terms of a committment to a program.

Did the million dollars cover the paint on the wooden bleachers?

We all want the same thing here, but the bottom line is you can't not spend money and expect high level winning from a program that hasn't won in the last half century.

What did Ron do for 5 of 6 years, oh thats right he won. Don't care what you pay when the current administration fires a winner and pays double for an NEC 500 record coach, you can't fix stupid! Stop the insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its the losing culture that could not be patient enough for the sudden winning program, Period, !, CAPS, Bold,italic,underscore ect...

DukesFan79 wrote:

It is too bad that we win a game over a program that was in the NCAA Final 4 less than 10 years ago and there is little to no response! Of course if we had lost it would have been flooded with criticism.

Ugly games still count as Wins!

This weekend the Dukes head to Davidson, a program with Elite 8 pedigree who boasts a Top Current NBA player as their recruiting poster boy. And they still recently committed $15 million to upgrade their facility.

It is unfortunate how people think just a coaching change a bigger salary is true committment! Duquesne has been
 and still is woefully behind resource wise to the rest of the A10. And on top of that the program hasn't won consistently in 40+ years. We should be over funding the program to make up for our many disadvantages! Time for the school adminstration to wake up into the 21st century! Or retire

So your saying we should gloat for beating a team worst than us, and you prepare us for a upcomming probable loss  when the 15mill commitment and NBA prospect is our next apponent. CLK I think your right 79 may work for the AD. Especially since you hold no one responsible in the AD department, but you want the curent administration to over fund the continued failure of your department. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I usually don't post, I just lurk and look. I am just ranting now. I have faithfully attended Dukes games since 1976. I have been a season ticket holder since 1981. Since then, I've missed at most 20 home games. My season tickets are just behind the bench. I go to the games now because they are opportunities for me to take one of my several young children for some one-on-one time. It seems as if no matter who is in charge at Duquesne, they fail miserably at building a basketball program. Yet they jump into scholarship football at the expense of minor mens sports that cost far less to run. That seems to be a waste of resources. And they lied about why they dropped all those sports. First it was to save money. Later we find out it is to meet Title IX requirements. Duquesne football will never be at the level of a Notre Dame or Boston College. Why do it?

Often I leave the games at the half if my kids are tired. Then I try to tune in on 1320 and some other game often is on. It seems like Amodio came in and was going great guns, now he seems to have the reverse Midas Touch. He can't even assure consistent coverage on the radio.

Duquesne is first and foremost a Catholic, academic institution. If it is focusing on that as its primary mission, all well and good. It must do so. But if its going to field a Division One basketball team, then do the job right. I liked Everhart, I liked John Carroll. Edgar, Porter and Nee left me cold. I want to see a team that fights to win every second of every minute. I don't want to see sloppy passes and failures to follow-up and get offensive rebounds, and there is no reason why everyone on that team should not be able to sink free throws and 3 pointers all night long.
Sorry for the rant. I will go back now to lurking and looking.

For those who are younger than 66, and this is ancient history, but........

Duquesne rose to Glory in the 1940's and thru the early 1970's as Pittsburghs one traditional winner. We were one of the first to recruit black kits in a big way with First Team All America's when they were the ones to get National Attention. Former Duquesne Center Gary Nelson once told me, " We were Pittsburgh's Only Winner" , he told me of folks stopping him on the street, shaking his hand and raving about Duquesne and awesome games at the Civic Arena.

That was all let slip away just when fame and glory meant big time money and helped fill the student ranks to our peers, Marguette, Villinova, Providence, St. John's , etc. We fell by the wayside and fertile recruiting in NYC dried up, back in 1954 we some time had five black kids on the floor at once, no one did that back then.
I think the Fathers didn't know what they left go and if Noble Dick had not left a trust fund for the school it may have folded, but big time basketball faded beginning the year Kinsey, Searcey and the other guard left in Big Trains class of 1969, NYC recruiting shut down and the Nestis of the school didn't really care.

LittleMan wrote:

I usually don't post, I just lurk and look. I am just ranting now. I have faithfully attended Dukes games since 1976. I have been a season ticket holder since 1981. Since then, I've missed at most 20 home games. My season tickets are just behind the bench. I go to the games now because they are opportunities for me to take one of my several young children for some one-on-one time. .

You've been a season ticket holder since 1981 and you have "several young children."  Do you mean "grand children?"

if not then,


Dude! 
 

Phildog wrote:

For those who are younger than 66, and this is ancient history, but........

Duquesne rose to Glory in the 1940's and thru the early 1970's as Pittsburghs one traditional winner. We were one of the first to recruit black kits in a big way with First Team All America's when they were the ones to get National Attention. Former Duquesne Center Gary Nelson once told me, " We were Pittsburgh's Only Winner" , he told me of folks stopping him on the street, shaking his hand and raving about Duquesne and awesome games at the Civic Arena.

That was all let slip away just when fame and glory meant big time money and helped fill the student ranks to our peers, Marguette, Villinova, Providence, St. John's , etc. We fell by the wayside and fertile recruiting in NYC dried up, back in 1954 we some time had five black kids on the floor at once, no one did that back then.
I think the Fathers didn't know what they left go and if Noble Dick had not left a trust fund for the school it may have folded, but big time basketball faded beginning the year Kinsey, Searcey and the other guard left in Big Trains class of 1969, NYC recruiting shut down and the Nestis of the school didn't really care.

Actually the other guard in the class was Dan Slater, who didn't leave Duquesne, just suffered a career-ending ankle injury.  He was a big guard from Monaca who had a lot of jumping ability and could shoot the ball.  Tough break for the Dukes and Slats.  That left "The Train" remaining from a nationally ranked recruiting class.  It was the beginning of the end; but failure to upgrade facilities when the iron was still hot, was also a major factor.  Lack of funds at Duquesne came at a bad time for basketball.  It was precisely the time to invest big-time in the program to maintain the lofty position in Eastern basketball.  Not much could be done, students were doing fundraising to keep the school from closing down.

Phildog wrote:

For those who are younger than 66, and this is ancient history, but........

Duquesne rose to Glory in the 1940's and thru the early 1970's as Pittsburghs one traditional winner. We were one of the first to recruit black kits in a big way with First Team All America's when they were the ones to get National Attention. Former Duquesne Center Gary Nelson once told me, " We were Pittsburgh's Only Winner" , he told me of folks stopping him on the street, shaking his hand and raving about Duquesne and awesome games at the Civic Arena.

That was all let slip away just when fame and glory meant big time money and helped fill the student ranks to our peers, Marguette, Villinova, Providence, St. John's , etc. We fell by the wayside and fertile recruiting in NYC dried up, back in 1954 we some time had five black kids on the floor at once, no one did that back then.
I think the Fathers didn't know what they left go and if Noble Dick had not left a trust fund for the school it may have folded, but big time basketball faded beginning the year Kinsey, Searcey and the other guard left in Big Trains class of 1969, NYC recruiting shut down and the Nestis of the school didn't really care.

Actually, you're a decade off. Duquesne rose to prominance in the early 30's under our greatest coach, the one who built the program, Chick Davies.
Also, having so many black kids was part of the downfall of the program. There were complaints from some of the alums, and the program was quietly downgraded after Si Green left. Fletcher Johnson talked about how they probably lost the NIT in 1954, because Dudey didn't want to anger the alums by putting more than 3 black players on the floor at one time. It's a shame too, because we would have been consensus National Champions had we won in 54, as we were ranked well ahead of NCAA Champ LaSalle going into postseason play. In 55, no one really thought we were better than San Francisco, which was probably the greatest team of the decade. After this, we were still good, but never again the type of first tier power we were in the decade after WWII.
 

levon1975 wrote:

Phildog wrote:

For those who are younger than 66, and this is ancient history, but........

Duquesne rose to Glory in the 1940's and thru the early 1970's as Pittsburghs one traditional winner. We were one of the first to recruit black kits in a big way with First Team All America's when they were the ones to get National Attention. Former Duquesne Center Gary Nelson once told me, " We were Pittsburgh's Only Winner" , he told me of folks stopping him on the street, shaking his hand and raving about Duquesne and awesome games at the Civic Arena.

That was all let slip away just when fame and glory meant big time money and helped fill the student ranks to our peers, Marguette, Villinova, Providence, St. John's , etc. We fell by the wayside and fertile recruiting in NYC dried up, back in 1954 we some time had five black kids on the floor at once, no one did that back then.
I think the Fathers didn't know what they left go and if Noble Dick had not left a trust fund for the school it may have folded, but big time basketball faded beginning the year Kinsey, Searcey and the other guard left in Big Trains class of 1969, NYC recruiting shut down and the Nestis of the school didn't really care.

Actually the other guard in the class was Dan Slater, who didn't leave Duquesne, just suffered a career-ending ankle injury.  He was a big guard from Monaca who had a lot of jumping ability and could shoot the ball.  Tough break for the Dukes and Slats.  That left "The Train" remaining from a nationally ranked recruiting class.  It was the beginning of the end; but failure to upgrade facilities when the iron was still hot, was also a major factor.  Lack of funds at Duquesne came at a bad time for basketball.  It was precisely the time to invest big-time in the program to maintain the lofty position in Eastern basketball.  Not much could be done, students were doing fundraising to keep the school from closing down.

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The other guard that left was Donnie White. Went to Maryland.  

applecorps wrote:

levon1975 wrote:

Phildog wrote:

For those who are younger than 66, and this is ancient history, but........

Duquesne rose to Glory in the 1940's and thru the early 1970's as Pittsburghs one traditional winner. We were one of the first to recruit black kits in a big way with First Team All America's when they were the ones to get National Attention. Former Duquesne Center Gary Nelson once told me, " We were Pittsburgh's Only Winner" , he told me of folks stopping him on the street, shaking his hand and raving about Duquesne and awesome games at the Civic Arena.

That was all let slip away just when fame and glory meant big time money and helped fill the student ranks to our peers, Marguette, Villinova, Providence, St. John's , etc. We fell by the wayside and fertile recruiting in NYC dried up, back in 1954 we some time had five black kids on the floor at once, no one did that back then.
I think the Fathers didn't know what they left go and if Noble Dick had not left a trust fund for the school it may have folded, but big time basketball faded beginning the year Kinsey, Searcey and the other guard left in Big Trains class of 1969, NYC recruiting shut down and the Nestis of the school didn't really care.

Actually the other guard in the class was Dan Slater, who didn't leave Duquesne, just suffered a career-ending ankle injury.  He was a big guard from Monaca who had a lot of jumping ability and could shoot the ball.  Tough break for the Dukes and Slats.  That left "The Train" remaining from a nationally ranked recruiting class.  It was the beginning of the end; but failure to upgrade facilities when the iron was still hot, was also a major factor.  Lack of funds at Duquesne came at a bad time for basketball.  It was precisely the time to invest big-time in the program to maintain the lofty position in Eastern basketball.  Not much could be done, students were doing fundraising to keep the school from closing down.

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The other guard that left was Donnie White. Went to Maryland.  

Donnie White, from Penn Hall Academy; I rememeber him, but I seem to recall that he may never have actually enrolled at Duquesne.  Could be wrong, but I thought he was in some kind of scrape in the old gym and Red showed him the door.

I heard that too about Steve McHugh and a butt kicking.

Then, IronDukes12, you probably remember (I graduated 69 and never missed a home game) when the students would line up upoutside (regardless of weather) in the back student entrance of the civic area for the civic area gates to open. And when the arena opened, student representives from all of the social groups on campus would run at top speed trowing jackets, towels clothes (whatever they could get their hands on) over seats in a section and yell, "this section's saved" and groups like the greeks, playboys, rogues, shieks would eventuall begin to fill that section just before the Duquesne freshman game. At that time, we just took it for granted that we would clobber whatever visiting team that day so it was one big party -- As the song goes, "Those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end..."
Still a season tix holder, just older and grumpier about the team.

I can hardly watch the Dukes now.  But the above stories get me going.  Was there ever a tougher kid pound for pound the Steve McHugh?  The Dukes could use five of him.   Recently noticed the passing of Marvin Barnes.  Was there ever a better Duquesne game?   Norman brough Marvin over to my apartment after we beat them (Providence).   Was there ever whackier party than that night?   For those of you who were there, from Frenchy Fuqua to the guy walking down the street...sorry.  I have some explaining to do at the Pearly Gates -- which seem closer than Duquesne's rise from the basketball ashes.