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2/06/2015 7:12 pm  #1


Gameday Thread - Duquesne vs Eastern 8

Since there is nothing really positive to speak of with the current program and the game day threads turn into tears, cursing or arguments, I say we forgot game day threads and just talk about the memories of Duquesne basketball

The end of the George Mason thread had some really interesting conversation.  So rather than cry about the beat down we will take at Davidson, how about everyone post their favorite memories of DU basketball instead of game day threads. 

I will start this.  I was reading the following about the Eastern 8.


The Atlantic 10 Conference was founded in 1975 as the Eastern Collegiate Basketball League (ECBL), and began conference play in 1976. At that time, basketball was its only sport. After its first season, it added sports other than basketball and changed its name to the Eastern Athletic Association. However, despite its official names, it was popularly known as the Eastern 8, as it then had eight members (Villanova, Duquesne, Penn State, West Virginia, George Washington, Massachusetts, Pittsburgh, and Rutgers). Three years after its creation the conference landed its first team – Villanova – in the NCAA Elite 8 in 1978. The following year, the Eastern 8 had nearly 51,000 fans flock to Pittsburgh to watch the teams battle for a conference title. It closed the season ranked as the 4th out of 23 college conferences in attendance behind only the ACC, SWC and Big Eight. The Eastern 8, and its beloved "Hoopster Rooster" mascot, remained the face of the conference over the next five years adapting with the addition of St. Bonaventure and Rhode Island who joined the league.

I had no idea the Eastern 8 tournament was so popular in Pittsburgh.  Or the A10 did so well in attendance. Anyone attend?   Duquesne was fairly decent in those years.   

And what was this rooster?   Lol

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2/06/2015 9:59 pm  #2


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Great memories but we must move forward. Build new memories for the students. First step fire Amodio get a competent AD. Bring back the disenfranchised Duquesne fan base. Yes be like Pitt! Please quit blaming the current administration for lack of $$$$$. 0-10 vs. Pitt 3-7 vs. Bobby Mo need I say more? Come March begins the rebuilding of this program. This is not brain surgery.

 

2/07/2015 12:51 am  #3


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Ironduke1981 wrote:

Great memories but we must move forward. Build new memories for the students. First step fire Amodio get a competent AD. Bring back the disenfranchised Duquesne fan base. Yes be like Pitt! Please quit blaming the current administration for lack of $$$$$. 0-10 vs. Pitt 3-7 vs. Bobby Mo need I say more? Come March begins the rebuilding of this program. This is not brain surgery.

No need to piss in Kurt's thread. There are plenty of threads bashing GA. I even started one. Find one, and post in it.

Kurt, the league has never held it's tournament in Pittsburgh, since it became the A10. Having 3 local teams that were all competitive, played a big role in the great attendance. It's a shame that there was nothing like ESPN around to broadcast it nationally. The exposure might have helped the league grow into a serious power, like it did for the BE a few years later.
 

 

2/07/2015 2:42 am  #4


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The old Eastern Eight was the only college basketball conference in the country with a mascot.  The "Hoopster Rooster" was scheduled to show up at all of the league's televised games, beginning in 1980, but the colorful bird's sponsors pulled out after only about three games that year.   It lived on in subsequent years.  The Eastern Eight dreamed big.  It even had its own television contract.  I was living in the Philadelphia-area at the time and remember looking forward to those weekly televised games every Saturday afternoon, especially since the Dukes were frequently featured in the Eastern 8 "Game of the Week."   Given Duquesne's rich basketball tradition, the Dukes probably made more televised appearances than several of the other conference members. 

In any case, the long-forgotten rooster was an imaginative idea, intended to be college basketball's answer to the famous San Diego Chicken.  The rooster, in fact, fit in perfectly with the league's slogan: "Something to crow about." 

The fully-feathered rooster, incidentally, was portrayed by Brian Bartholme of Erie, who had been the Pitt Panthers' football mascot until 1979, a role which he briefly continued after graduating from Pitt in December of 1978.  Sports columnists had a field day with the rooster, saying that the lowly Eastern Eight should have selected a "lame duck" instead, or — as one particularly mean-spirited pundit put it — "a buzzard."

Dump Davidson!  Go Iron Dukes!   

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2/07/2015 6:53 am  #5


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The Eastern 8 had their first tournament in Phillys pro arena and drew so little fans it was the laughing stock of Eastern basketball. The next year with Pitt, Dukes and the loyal WVU fans, about 5,000 showed up each night, the three day tournament outdrew the ACC tournament with over 30,000 attending over three nights. I went to every game, even the championship that had no local team in it and it was a great crowd.

Remember at that time the Arena only held about 12,000 so a 10,000 was just about a full house.

Bob Smizak on the Pittsburgh Press even raved about the tournament, we all hated him because of the Dave Roddy incident of having no eligibility left and cost us the NIT bid in 1070-71 , 20-5 Billingy team. Rumor was Bob broke the story, and Dave was done for the year, And the Iron Dules played with 8 kids.

So we all thought, no way Eastern 8 will ever be played in Philly again, wrong, they never came back to Pittsburgh again and drew fly's in Philly.

Penn State pulled a class act at a tournament, after they lost their game, they slid letters under the hotel doors of all attending AD's resigning membership from the conference and left.

Our only bright side was on Norman's Sr. year and we went into The Tournament with a losing record and swept all games and went to our last NCAA.

That and the battles with Pitt that had most of the sports page filled with Pictures and stories before and after the games, Andy Sissani point guard trying to fight Sam Clancy,, 6-4 and about 250 of muscle during a game. Mike Rice having our rebounders standing on the feet of Pitts rebounders, great times and really good basketball with mostly local kids playing key roles.


A diehard fan since 1961
 

2/07/2015 8:41 am  #6


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Phildog wrote:

The Eastern 8 had their first tournament in Phillys pro arena and drew so little fans it was the laughing stock of Eastern basketball. The next year with Pitt, Dukes and the loyal WVU fans, about 5,000 showed up each night, the three day tournament outdrew the ACC tournament with over 30,000 attending over three nights. I went to every game, even the championship that had no local team in it and it was a great crowd.

Remember at that time the Arena only held about 12,000 so a 10,000 was just about a full house.

Bob Smizak on the Pittsburgh Press even raved about the tournament, we all hated him because of the Dave Roddy incident of having no eligibility left and cost us the NIT bid in 1070-71 , 20-5 Billingy team. Rumor was Bob broke the story, and Dave was done for the year, And the Iron Dules played with 8 kids.

So we all thought, no way Eastern 8 will ever be played in Philly again, wrong, they never came back to Pittsburgh again and drew fly's in Philly.

Penn State pulled a class act at a tournament, after they lost their game, they slid letters under the hotel doors of all attending AD's resigning membership from the conference and left.

Our only bright side was on Norman's Sr. year and we went into The Tournament with a losing record and swept all games and went to our last NCAA.

That and the battles with Pitt that had most of the sports page filled with Pictures and stories before and after the games, Andy Sissani point guard trying to fight Sam Clancy,, 6-4 and about 250 of muscle during a game. Mike Rice having our rebounders standing on the feet of Pitts rebounders, great times and really good basketball with mostly local kids playing key roles.

The first tournament was at the Spectrum in Philly. It was at the Civic Arena for the next 5 or so years. The Arena had been expanded to seat around 16,000 by then (it was 12-13,000 during the Nelson brothers era).
The 70-71 team went to the NCAA's and lost to Penn in Morgantown. That was the Penn team that reached the eastern final undefeated, and was smoked 90-47, by a Villanova team they had beaten during the year. Nova reached the title game, and gave UCLA it's only real battle during it's string of 7 consecutive titiles, losing 68-62. That was the Howard Porter team. The Dave Roddy team was 71-72. That team should have had Mickey Davis, and Ed Searcy on it. If it had, I doubt if we would have lost more than one or two games all year. We would have been a powerhouse of the first magnitude, Red would likely have never retired so early, and we may have never hit the skids. We probably would have ended up in the BE, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The first 8 years of the league, one of the 3 local teams made the final every single year.
 

 

2/07/2015 9:22 am  #7


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duq81 wrote:

Ironduke1981 wrote:

Great memories but we must move forward. Build new memories for the students. First step fire Amodio get a competent AD. Bring back the disenfranchised Duquesne fan base. Yes be like Pitt! Please quit blaming the current administration for lack of $$$$$. 0-10 vs. Pitt 3-7 vs. Bobby Mo need I say more? Come March begins the rebuilding of this program. This is not brain surgery.

No need to piss in Kurt's thread. There are plenty of threads bashing GA. I even started one. Find one, and post in it.

Kurt, the league has never held it's tournament in Pittsburgh, since it became the A10. Having 3 local teams that were all competitive, played a big role in the great attendance. It's a shame that there was nothing like ESPN around to broadcast it nationally. The exposure might have helped the league grow into a serious power, like it did for the BE a few years later.
 

 
With all do respect that was not a bash of Kurt's thread Again great memories....unfortunately the students who went to the bluff since 1981 minus the Everhart era never experienced true college basketball. The state of the mens program is well you fill in the blank. Come March hopefully Charlie is searching for "The next level " AD. Again that post was not meant as a Kurt bash.

 

2/07/2015 9:53 am  #8


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No offense taken.   I'm fine. Lol.  I just thought the convo was interesting at the end of the Mason thread and wanted it to continue.  Thanks for the info about the tournament.   I just read that Smizik article.   Good read.   It seems like even though they had s good thing going lots of teams had one foot out the door. 

This was also before big football TV money which I believe started in the mid 80s.   So it would have happened anyway.

     Thread Starter
 

2/07/2015 9:56 am  #9


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I recall watching the Eastern 8 games of the week on TV at my apartment on Halket Street on Oakland.  I can still hear Bob Cousy doing the color commentary saying, "The Moon is rising", when Fred Moon would grab a rebound.  My roommate, a DU alum but not a basketball fan, got a big kick out of that as he knew Fred as one of my friends.

 

2/07/2015 11:50 am  #10


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To answer duqkurt's question, my favorite memory was the 1971 season, two games in particular. Late in the season, we sold out the Civic Arena for a game with Villanova. They were in the Final Four that year, but we beat them. It was a big national game with both teams in the Top 20. Late in the game, one of the Nelson twins had a breakaway and dunked the ball--illegal then--and ticked off Red Manning something fierce, but we fans loved it.  When we went to the NCAA in Morgantown, Duquesne sold over 10,000 tickets. It was like a Duquesne home game there. Penn played a good game and deserved to win but if they seeded teams like they do today, we would have been 3 seed playing a 14 seed and probably would have won.
 

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2/07/2015 12:40 pm  #11


Re: Gameday Thread - Duquesne vs Eastern 8

I think the Dukes have a fairly good chance of pulling off an upset today at Davidson.  Not sure if Davidson's star guard, Jack Gibbs, is playing due to a reported "slight meniscus tear" suffered on 1/17 vs. Richmond.  Davidson, a young team, plays a very uptempo style, which is also Jim Ferry's preferred style, with a great shooting percentage and low turnover rate.  But Davidson is not an exceptional rebounding team and is not a very good defensive team; so the Dukes should get plenty of open looks and hold their own on the boards.  If the Dukes shoot well (esp. Mason, Colter) and get some scoring from the bench (esp. Gill, Stevens), this will be a close game.  If we are clanking 3's like we did vs. GMU, it could get very ugly.

Opening betting line was 16 points.  Went down quickly to the 12.5 - 13.5 range.  Pomeroy has this as a 20 point game, 92 to 72, giving the Dukes a 6% chance of winning.  I like the Dukes with the points, even with the line dropping.

 

 

2/07/2015 12:53 pm  #12


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Thanks for participating!

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2/07/2015 8:28 pm  #13


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Don't you love it when the announcers say how good Davidson is...everybody is good compared to  Duquesne -  Duquesne is terrible.

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2/07/2015 9:12 pm  #14


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Lost by 26, Davidson shot 50% at three, about 58% overall.


A diehard fan since 1961
 

2/07/2015 9:22 pm  #15


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a team shot good from the three point line against the Dukes? in other news Earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours....water is still wet....


Vicimus Atlanticum decem
 

2/07/2015 9:23 pm  #16


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Yes - Ferry Ran his LHTM Defense tonight.   Though the Let's Hope They Miss Defense has become a favorite of Ferry and his team, other teams in the conference don't want to adopt it when playing the Dukes.

 

2/07/2015 9:32 pm  #17


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He actually said at halftime the problem was that we didn't rebound their misses in the first half.  LMAO

 

2/07/2015 9:40 pm  #18


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The Dome wrote:

He actually said at halftime the problem was that we didn't rebound their misses in the first half.  LMAO

I couldn't believe that either. It's apparent to me, and likely to his team, that he has no answers.

And obviously I didn't have the answer either as evidenced by my prediction on this one.

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2/07/2015 9:49 pm  #19


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Phoenix, I have nothing. When you think it can't possibly get worse it does. In his Pergame interview with the TV guys they quoted the oft repeated, " a couple of foul shots here and there and we would have several more wins". Really how disingenuous can you be most of the games he is speaking of where out of hand and by playing starters against subs we get within 10/12. The Dukes where never in the game at St.Louis I don't care how many foul shots they get.

 

2/07/2015 10:20 pm  #20


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Hard to get rebounds when they don't miss or when they do, ball rebounds out to the free throw line.


A diehard fan since 1961
 

2/07/2015 10:27 pm  #21


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Stevens and Powell are awful. Whenever they need a "must need basket" those clowns take the worst shots. Worst defenders too. That's all I have.

 

2/08/2015 8:08 am  #22


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Stevens 1-8 from the field.
One rebound from McCoy.
Mason continues to be pedestrian shooting the ball.
Robinson never gets off of the bench, in a game that was never in doubt.
Is Ferry trying to get fired?

 

2/08/2015 8:52 am  #23


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A Grimm "Ferry" Tale:  Building brick by brick.

A scarry story about a coach with a long term contract who said he would build a mighty basketball team, but it soon became clear that he had no blue print, no coaching ability,  and was only able to obtain weak, defective bricks.  

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2/08/2015 8:54 am  #24


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If the Dukes aren't busy this week, maybe they can appear in an episode of "The Walking Dead."

 

2/08/2015 8:58 am  #25


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The problem with that is they would have to walk.

 

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