Great post Jeralta.  I did not know these were our written goals.  I would hope 2.8.3 translate into a job description accountability for somebody.

CLK wrote:

Great post Jeralta.  I did not know these were our written goals.  I would hope 2.8.3 translate into a job description accountability for somebody.

There are 4 people in charge of Marketing in the Athletics department. The accountability is theirs, not Father Hogans office. Its like AMODEGO saying we have failed for years can you force the students to come to our pathetic game environment.

Student Life is an actual department. I wonder if this is their assignment so to speak.  The Duquesne Program Council should be pumping money for student incentives into the game time enjoyment. Half court shots for free airline tix or a car, etc.  When I was there, The DPC was led by anti-athletic students who routed money to first run movies at the Union at $5k a pop for 30 students.

We need everyone at Duq to be on the same page.

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Duquesne basketball is in desperate pathetic shape if it has to beg, plead, pray and resort to other "gimmicks" to get sudents to show up for games. Are we even a college basketbll program any longer, if no collegians are to be found in the stands and where alumni and other drifters out-number the students by a 40-1 margin?

Steve - who are you talking about here??? Murray, Daugherty, who????

I'm not really sure how you can blast the athletic department and then defend the most damaging figure to Duquesne athletics in the last 15-20 years. A man who if you asked him about the basketball program under Everhart he'd roll his eyes and complain about the lack of academic discipline in the program. The man cared more about academic all conference players than he did real all conference players and the athletic department rotted under his guidance.

Last edited by Westender (12/17/2012 10:53 pm)

This is how you do it.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/genrel/auto_pdf/StrategicPlan-Final.pdf

steve19981 wrote:

Hogan never turned his back on athletics because he never gave a crap about them to begin with. He needs to be put in charge of alumni relations or fund raising. He's very good at both, but is completely out of touch and lacks vision when it comes to making student life more enjoyable or attractive to prospective students.  If the organizations under his umbrella are failing to support the athletic programs as has been clearly outlined in the comprehensive plan, he is also failing the university in that regard. Personally, I think his vision of what college life ought to be is part of the reason why students quietly loathe the school. And you want to talk about ego....

I gave Ron a solid 4 3/4 years and I will give Ferry the same. If Ferry does not work out, I will be an advocate, just like you, that Greg Amodio does not have a hand in the hiring of the next coach. As of right now, I see Amodio as the counter to Hogan, a man who is not afraid to crack a few eggs to make an omelet and not just kiss peoples behinds because they throw money his way. His department is elevating the exposure of the team by playing games in the CEC, the City Game is an event again, both basketball programs are funded over average in the league, and he has shown the capability of thinking outside the box to utilize and increase revenues in a different ways after a 30 year dearth of creativity from this university. And it's hard to say he doesn't want more for the program than we're gotten if he's willing to put his career on the line to get someone better than Everhart. Clearly, there are areas of his job that need improvement, but at the moment, I like what I see even if it hasn't translated to a ton of real success and it's probably taken a little longer turn everything around than hoped for. Not trying to convince you or anyone. Just stating my position.

I'm not going to sit here and try to compare Ferry and Everhart, because let's both be honest, you're not going to listen to me anyway and I've already done plenty of it. What I would like to point out is that Ferry is the coach, Amodio is the AD and Hogan is the Vice President of student life and there is nothing either of us can do about it besides complain or advocate change on an internet message board or in my case write a blog about it. I love my school and I want whoever is in charge to be successful whether I agree with them or not. Sometimes we have to advocate change but in my opinion it's better to do that than hang onto the past.

Murray & Father Hogan were a disaster for DU basketball no question about that.  The AD previously reported directly to Hogan.  A reversal of attitude by the Administration, an icrease in financial commitment and the removal of Hogan in the chain was part of what "The Cause" fought for several years back.   Credit Dr. Dougherty for listening. He hired Amodio who in turn hired Ron.  Almost all of Amodio's success to date is directly related to Ron.  He did what no other coach could do on the court in the last 35 years and what some saw as impossible.  Off the court he reached out to alums, and was not too proud to kiss some behinds to advance DU basketball. He was the guy that was directly responsible for kissing some butts and getting the donations to improve Palumbo, not Amodio.  He brought back the DU former players.  He was never too busy to visit the sick, attend funerals, answer phone calls, meet with alums.  His reward was to not only be fired but publically humiliated.  He was well liked by most alums and the media.  Contrast that to Amodio, who for some reason you have ascribed his ego as a virtue.  A man who will not return phone call, e-mails and makes zero effort to reach out to alums.  The Consol deal fell into his lap.  He deserves no credit for that, hell Colleary would have made that deal.  Since Ron's firing season tickets sales are down, and student support is practically non existent.  I hate to see what it wikll look like tomorrow night on national TV. How anyone could hold Ron accountable and give Amodio a mulligan is beyond me.

I have moved on over the firing of Ron (until a post l.ike this appears) and support Coach Frerry.  The AD still however needs to be held accountable to do his job.

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steve19981 wrote:

Hogan never turned his back on athletics because he never gave a crap about them to begin with. He needs to be put in charge of alumni relations or fund raising. He's very good at both, but is completely out of touch and lacks vision when it comes to making student life more enjoyable or attractive to prospective students.  If the organizations under his umbrella are failing to support the athletic programs as has been clearly outlined in the comprehensive plan, he is also failing the university in that regard. Personally, I think his vision of what college life ought to be is part of the reason why students quietly loathe the school. And you want to talk about ego....

I gave Ron a solid 4 3/4 years and I will give Ferry the same. If Ferry does not work out, I will be an advocate, just like you, that Greg Amodio does not have a hand in the hiring of the next coach. As of right now, I see Amodio as the counter to Hogan, a man who is not afraid to crack a few eggs to make an omelet and not just kiss peoples behinds because they throw money his way. His department is elevating the exposure of the team by playing games in the CEC, the City Game is an event again, both basketball programs are funded over average in the league, and he has shown the capability of thinking outside the box to utilize and increase revenues in a different ways after a 30 year dearth of creativity from this university. And it's hard to say he doesn't want more for the program than we're gotten if he's willing to put his career on the line to get someone better than Everhart. Clearly, there are areas of his job that need improvement, but at the moment, I like what I see even if it hasn't translated to a ton of real success and it's probably taken a little longer turn everything around than hoped for. Not trying to convince you or anyone. Just stating my position.

I'm not going to sit here and try to compare Ferry and Everhart, because let's both be honest, you're not going to listen to me anyway and I've already done plenty of it. What I would like to point out is that Ferry is the coach, Amodio is the AD and Hogan is the Vice President of student life and there is nothing either of us can do about it besides complain or advocate change on an internet message board or in my case write a blog about it. I love my school and I want whoever is in charge to be successful whether I agree with them or not. Sometimes we have to advocate change but in my opinion it's better to do that than hang onto the past.

Never giving a crap is turning your back, it just happened a lot sooner when the AD had to answer to him. I think we agree on Hogan as a pimple on the Arse of progress when it comes to athletics.

I give Amodio credit and CD for taking a stand and Amodio answering directly to CD, so there is the reason Hogan not only turned his back, but will not in any way support athletics, I guess his ego was crushed and now athletics has to compete against him. Let's call him HOGEGO. That's why I said its not his staffs job to get butts in the seats, the AD has to do it, because he will not, due to his ouster.

Im glad you brought him into the conversation, so is it impossible for the current administration who has to follow the guides of the spiritans/HOGEGO to move this program forward. If the spiritans/owners don't commit the funds, then the cuffs are on CD and GA, and this opens the door for a whole other battle, which imo can't be won by anyone.

I'm giving Ferry 5 years and want him to succeed, but my point was if Amodego fired RE, and it was professional jealousy that led to it, and Ferry is the step up, then he has to perform better than RE year by year. Especially since he was left with a 16-15 team, less two players, and RE started with AJ and Kieron and 5 shot. I'm just holding GA accountable for his words not anyone else.

FYI it was Everhart that got the money from the Schammings for the Palumbo upgrades, and when they whacked RE, they wish the never would have donated the money and want nothing to do with GA. Just like the former head of the Athletic fund board Gary Duty, who continued to donate and raise money after his son graduated, until RE was canned, and humiliated. He told GA, I don't have a problem with you firing a coach but the way it was handled and the way you personally attacked him, I'm done with Duquesne, I'm canceling my season tickets and ceasing my donations and fund raising and will never be in the Palumbo center again.

Yes, it should be done at orienation.

No, some dork in a red sweater should not try to lead a cheer in the student section that no one under 30 has ever heard. The students that go will just sit further and further up into the rafters away from the real section.

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DukesDan wrote:

Yes, it should be done at orienation.

No, some dork in a red sweater should not try to lead a cheer in the student section that no one under 30 has ever heard. The students that go will just sit further and further up into the rafters away from the real section.

They need to be taught at Orientation, then they will recognize it and have fun with it.  It can provide a link to the tradition that the program has lost. It's just an idea, but as I said, I'm sure others can come up with better ideas on how to structure a basketball component to Orientation.

Scotchngars wrote:

steve19981 wrote:

Hogan never turned his back on athletics because he never gave a crap about them to begin with. He needs to be put in charge of alumni relations or fund raising. He's very good at both, but is completely out of touch and lacks vision when it comes to making student life more enjoyable or attractive to prospective students.  If the organizations under his umbrella are failing to support the athletic programs as has been clearly outlined in the comprehensive plan, he is also failing the university in that regard. Personally, I think his vision of what college life ought to be is part of the reason why students quietly loathe the school. And you want to talk about ego....

I gave Ron a solid 4 3/4 years and I will give Ferry the same. If Ferry does not work out, I will be an advocate, just like you, that Greg Amodio does not have a hand in the hiring of the next coach. As of right now, I see Amodio as the counter to Hogan, a man who is not afraid to crack a few eggs to make an omelet and not just kiss peoples behinds because they throw money his way. His department is elevating the exposure of the team by playing games in the CEC, the City Game is an event again, both basketball programs are funded over average in the league, and he has shown the capability of thinking outside the box to utilize and increase revenues in a different ways after a 30 year dearth of creativity from this university. And it's hard to say he doesn't want more for the program than we're gotten if he's willing to put his career on the line to get someone better than Everhart. Clearly, there are areas of his job that need improvement, but at the moment, I like what I see even if it hasn't translated to a ton of real success and it's probably taken a little longer turn everything around than hoped for. Not trying to convince you or anyone. Just stating my position.

I'm not going to sit here and try to compare Ferry and Everhart, because let's both be honest, you're not going to listen to me anyway and I've already done plenty of it. What I would like to point out is that Ferry is the coach, Amodio is the AD and Hogan is the Vice President of student life and there is nothing either of us can do about it besides complain or advocate change on an internet message board or in my case write a blog about it. I love my school and I want whoever is in charge to be successful whether I agree with them or not. Sometimes we have to advocate change but in my opinion it's better to do that than hang onto the past.

Never giving a crap is turning your back, it just happened a lot sooner when the AD had to answer to him. I think we agree on Hogan as a pimple on the Arse of progress when it comes to athletics.

I give Amodio credit and CD for taking a stand and Amodio answering directly to CD, so there is the reason Hogan not only turned his back, but will not in any way support athletics, I guess his ego was crushed and now athletics has to compete against him. Let's call him HOGEGO. That's why I said its not his staffs job to get butts in the seats, the AD has to do it, because he will not, due to his ouster.

Im glad you brought him into the conversation, so is it impossible for the current administration who has to follow the guides of the spiritans/HOGEGO to move this program forward. If the spiritans/owners don't commit the funds, then the cuffs are on CD and GA, and this opens the door for a whole other battle, which imo can't be won by anyone.

I'm giving Ferry 5 years and want him to succeed, but my point was if Amodego fired RE, and it was professional jealousy that led to it, and Ferry is the step up, then he has to perform better than RE year by year. Especially since he was left with a 16-15 team, less two players, and RE started with AJ and Kieron and 5 shot. I'm just holding GA accountable for his words not anyone else.

FYI it was Everhart that got the money from the Schammings for the Palumbo upgrades, and when they whacked RE, they wish the never would have donated the money and want nothing to do with GA. Just like the former head of the Athletic fund board Gary Duty, who continued to donate and raise money after his son graduated, until RE was canned, and humiliated. He told GA, I don't have a problem with you firing a coach but the way it was handled and the way you personally attacked him, I'm done with Duquesne, I'm canceling my season tickets and ceasing my donations and fund raising and will never be in the Palumbo center again.

I see a lot of "facts" and inside info being thrown around here. I'm not calling anyone a liar or anything like that, but its easy to post unsubtantiated things on a message board, with no footnotes, other than "My third cousin's uncle's best friend knows someone who...................."

And that is what I seem to see here on both sides of the argument.

Tejas_Duke wrote:

I see a lot of "facts" and inside info being thrown around here. I'm not calling anyone a liar or anything like that, but its easy to post unsubtantiated things on a message board, with no footnotes, other than "My third cousin's uncle's best friend knows someone who...................."

And that is what I seem to see here on both sides of the argument.

steve19981 wrote:

    Hogan never turned his back on athletics because he never gave a crap about them to begin with. (1) He needs to be put in charge of alumni relations or fund raising. He's very good at both, but is completely out of touch and lacks vision when it comes to making student life more enjoyable or attractive to prospective students.  If the organizations under his umbrella are failing to support the athletic programs as has been clearly outlined in the comprehensive plan, he is also failing the university in that regard. Personally, I think his vision of what college life ought to be is part of the reason why students quietly loathe the school (2) And you want to talk about ego....

    I gave Ron a solid 4 3/4 years and I will give Ferry the same. If Ferry does not work out, I will be an advocate, just like you, that Greg Amodio does not have a hand in the hiring of the next coach. As of right now, I see Amodio as the counter to Hogan, a man who is not afraid to crack a few eggs to make an omelet and not just kiss peoples behinds because they throw money his way. His department is elevating the exposure of the team by playing games in the CEC, the City Game is an event again, both basketball programs are funded over average in the league, and he has shown the capability of thinking outside the box to utilize and increase revenues in a different ways after a 30 year dearth of creativity from this university. And it's hard to say he doesn't want more for the program than we're gotten if he's willing to put his career on the line to get someone better than Everhart. Clearly, there are areas of his job that need improvement, but at the moment, I like what I see even if it hasn't translated to a ton of real success and it's probably taken a little longer turn everything around than hoped for. Not trying to convince you or anyone. Just stating my position.

    I'm not going to sit here and try to compare Ferry and Everhart, because let's both be honest, you're not going to listen to me anyway and I've already done plenty of it. What I would like to point out is that Ferry is the coach, Amodio is the AD and Hogan is the Vice President of student life and there is nothing either of us can do about it besides complain or advocate change on an internet message board or in my case write a blog about it. I love my school and I want whoever is in charge to be successful whether I agree with them or not. Sometimes we have to advocate change but in my opinion it's better to do that than hang onto the past.

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(1) Reading between the lines every conversation I've ever had with Fr Hogan about athletics.
(2) Based on my personal opinion as a student living on campus for four years from 99-03 and as a graduate student from 04-06.

Don't really see what else would need a citation. Everything else is opinion or my interpretation of events.

Last edited by steve19981 (12/18/2012 2:04 pm)