Just as a point of reference, here are the defensive efficiency numbers at Duquesne going as far back as 2002.

2015 – Ferry    – 111.6 - #332 in country
2014 – Ferry    – 108.6 - #243 in country
2013 – Ferry    – 105.8 - #266 in country
2012 – Everhart – 101.1 - #101 in country
2011 – Everhart -  95.1 - # 43 in country
2010 – Everhart -  99.6 - #126 in country
2009 – Everhart – 105.9 - #260 in country
2008 – Everhart -  99.0 - # 98 in country
2007 – Everhart – 112.7 - #325 in country
2006 – Nee      - 114.2 – #328 in country
2005 – Nee      - 110.3 - #306 in country
2004 – Nee      - 101.6 – #168 in country
2003 – Nee      - 103.2 - #199 in country
2002 – Nee      - 103.9 - #221 in country

Phoenix, great work. It always helps to have empirical data available when you are trying to build a case. Although, I'm sure Greg had this same information as he did his national search. Probably just interpreted it differently....

Great analysis. More work went into this post than Amodio did in hiring Ferry.

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I am sure Amodio has already told Coach Ferry to hire his nephew, change defenses, sets, post play etc. etc. He sure did that with Ronnie.

Shouldn't this thread be titled "No one can win at Duquesne"? Yes we all know RE did a good job having winning seasons. I would hope all can acknowledge how much different of a league the A10 is now. Instead of getting 2 teams in the NCAAs, we are now talking about 4-5-6 teams each year. In addition, there are multiple teams ranked in the Top 25 or receiving votes.

Someone should start a new thread titled "When is Duquesne going to fully commit to Men's Basketball?" Or the rest of this board will become "Fire _____" fill in the blank for the last 40 years and many more to come. It seems like there are many long time fans on here, and I would think they would understand after this many years of no success, is it the school administration or all of the coaches. They all must suck right?

Everyone on here wants the team to play better and win more games. That is stating the obvious. Did anyone really think it was going to take under three years to fix 40 years of no success? Yes, $600K is a lot of money. But what most don't realize is it is still in the bottom 1/3 of A10 coaches salaries. Just because it is more than RE made (just like other minimal improvements in budget, assistant salaries, eye) doesn't mean it even compares to the rest of the conference. Too many people have Duquesne blinders on. The rest is the A10 flew by us years ago. Yes, RE had good years but those were a flash in the pan compared to the precious 35 of losing.That is certainly not the history and tradition of Dayton, VCU, Davidson, GW, UMASS, etc.

Phildog wrote:

DukesFan79 wrote:

Shouldn't this thread be titled "No one can win at Duquesne"? Yes we all know RE did a good job having winning seasons. I would hope all can acknowledge how much different of a league the A10 is now. Instead of getting 2 teams in the NCAAs, we are now talking about 4-5-6 teams each year. In addition, there are multiple teams ranked in the Top 25 or receiving votes.

Someone should start a new thread titled "When is Duquesne going to fully commit to Men's Basketball?" Or the rest of this board will become "Fire _____" fill in the blank for the last 40 years and many more to come. It seems like there are many long time fans on here, and I would think they would understand after this many years of no success, is it the school administration or all of the coaches. They all must suck right?

Everyone on here wants the team to play better and win more games. That is stating the obvious. Did anyone really think it was going to take under three years to fix 40 years of no success? Yes, $600K is a lot of money. But what most don't realize is it is still in the bottom 1/3 of A10 coaches salaries. Just because it is more than RE made (just like other minimal improvements in budget, assistant salaries, eye) doesn't mean it even compares to the rest of the conference. Too many people have Duquesne blinders on. The rest is the A10 flew by us years ago. Yes, RE had good years but those were a flash in the pan compared to the precious 35 of losing.That is certainly not the history and tradition of Dayton, VCU, Davidson, GW, UMASS, etc.

 

Fan,
You hit it on the head, the program has limped along since Red stepped down with a few spots. We who post are some of the few that put up hope.
I recall when John Carrol came in, one of the toadies who worked in the Athletic Department told me "those New Yorkers think they are smarter than us" he was referring to PJ 's top assistant who had just been on a NCAA run.

It is like we are the only A-10 school that doesn't know how to get better, because we are.

Yeah, and I'll be willing to bet a "toady" who is still drawing a paycheck from the department still today.
 

Good points Ironduke - that is everything in a nutshell.  I wonder what Ferry's contract says about $$ if he is fired before his long 6 years are up.  Just guessing, but we probably won't get bailed out by anyone else wanting him or his assistants to get us off the hook.  Some of this has to fall on the President of the University.  I will not give any $$ to the University until we have at least a season of the same number of wins as losses...isn't that a shame...listen to that statement.  Things do start at the top and it is now on the PRESIDENT!!!

Ironduke I may be wrong on this and I can't stand on absolute conviction but I do know that RE was hired by a committee of Board members. I'm very well aware of one of them that was involved. Im not sure as to the involvement GA had. I also believe that the current hire was not aided by a committee that I know of. Not sure as to why that was the case unless RE was early enough in GA's time someone thought he needed the help. BTW I could not agree more that the overhaul needs to be far reaching. The university has become obsessed with growth to what end point I have no idea. More infrastructure means more cost and more students to feed the beast. Funny I just saw a real estate transaction for another property on Forbes Ave. that the university just purchased a few days ago.

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Ironduke1981 wrote:

Not on the fire Ferry bandwagon I have always said it starts at the top not just the x & o's. Look at the last 3 AD,s at Duquesne any wonder. Amodio did a good thing picking RE but he blew it on his obsession to fire the coach especially without a replacement. Season tickets, casual fans, 3rd ranked team Pgh alumni disconnect, zero student support. If Coach Ferry is fired who in their right mind would take this job with Amodio as AD. Hopefully Charlie takes notice of other college venues on game day . Student support packed arenas. 600-800 fans only cuts it for local HS gyms. Blow it up rebuild from the top down. If Amodio stays what do you think happens the following season 300 fans per home game?

He had a replacement lined up. He just didn't count on the negative reaction that he got, one which caused his replacement (Gaudio), to think better of coming here (good move on his part). GA needs to go, but you pretty much have to give Ferry his fourth year, unless the team were to lose every game left. Other coaches are watching. No coach worth having is going to leave a good situation to come to a place that will give them only 3 years, nor will any top coach let a promising assistant come here under those circumstances. Unless you want to hire a guy off of the scrap heap, we've got Ferry for at least one more year.

Scotchngars wrote:

Couple of responses here, don't matter what the pay is Ferry makes almost twice what RE did and RE was at A10 championship, NIT, in his third minus 4 of 5 that were tragically shot. So pay me a million and see what happens. Firing GA imho will not encourage any player or coach to come here, pitiful.

 
Another year of Amodio and Ferry and you will see less than 200 people at games.  Something HAS to be done, especially if, as it looks very possible like this team loses out, and fails to crack ten wins.

That kind of behavior and actions are exactly what helped put us in this 40 year Groundhog Day nightmare!  "it's just athletics."  Brian Colleary is doing the best that he can."  So what if you can't buy a tee shirt at Hills, sorry that's not my department. It's probably the department of someone else who has been here at the same job for 40 years." yadda yadda yadda...........

The flagship sport is now an absolute disgrace!  This cannot be rewarded!  Firing Amodio is an absolute must! He is responsible! 

Also, I don't think you won't get any player or coach to come here if you fire Ferry.  Most coaches know how things work and have watched Ferry's teams with his players in his 3rd year and see that he is just a bad coach and an incompetent teacher!  I think players would be the same way. I am sure the Dukes players are all over social media to their friends about how lousy the program is and how bad it is playing here. 

A new AD is a must!  Personally I want to see both go!

Dougherty has to man up and own up to his mistake, especially the leaked email three years ago.

It just sickens and disgusts me that the University I love and care about so much has allowed this to  happen, to the point that, as I pointed out above, I have essentially closed my checkbook and even made myself a "Non-person" to that very university, in the hopes of getting something accomplished!

I think we all agree, no one can save this program player or coach until the entire administration both board, athletics, and administrative are replaced. The present and past 40 years don't know how to run athletics acadamia yes athletics no no no.  

Please bring back Ron.....Only time that I can remember enjoying watching Duquesne basketball, his guys came to play.  I don't want to hear that the A10 now is too touch, last I checked we can't beat Robert Morris anymore and that has nothing to do with the A-10 or how big our basketball budget is.  Greg must go first.