FAM, you underrate yourself and your negativety.  You are absolutly negative.  Just read your post!!!  You give four negative perspectives of what was a good to great day for the Dukes.  You post as though the players and coaches had nothing to do with the win, but rather it was just a matter of coincidences that the Dukes won.  The Dukes won because they played well at all positions and in all facets of the game.  Why can't you just be happy for a day and let it go at that?  Dayton has won 20 games with those same 7 players and was at the top of the league for a long, long time this season. Not FAM.  Gotta piss on the one-day parade!!  I'm surprised you didn't comment that the all-time greats paraded out at half time looked old and weary what with all the gray hair and cane being used. Get a life pal. And don't tell me I am not entitled to my opinion.

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When a program is down, they need to learn to win.  They need to build on the big wins and realize that's the way to play.  Almost like saying they have to get comfortable in their own skin.

The biggest thing holding this team back is how they play on the road.  If they figure that out they will become competitive in the A-10 again.  

I don't care how bad of a team you are, winning over the top team in your league on national TV is a good thing.  Possible recruits start buying into what you are doing.  

Why don't you just repeat for the umpteenth time that you want the coach and AD to go?  (Read your last sentence of your original post)  Then you can give  guidance on building a PROGRAM  to your liking.  Your question posed limits one or two possible answers that you want.  What makes you think either of them is the right answer?  Therein is my precise point-your negatively screams out.  If you don't like my defense of a team victory, players and coaches, then start another thread that is more to your liking.  You don't seem to want information from others.  You seem to be seeking affirmation that the coach and AD gotta go.  Well, you aint getting it from me.  If you dont care to acknowledge the uptick in play of the team against the better teams in the conference in the most recent games (regardless or W's or L's) then wallow in your belief that the PROGRAM needs new coaching and Athletic Director leadership.     Let me repeat my post that was done to suggest that better days have come for the present if not long term:  "After the G-W win I felt like the golf fanatic who had just scored a birdie on the 18th hole for a ho-hum total score of [b]99.  It's that one good hole that makes you want to come back.  Well, after today, I felt like the golfer who got birdies on both 17 and 18 for a ho-hum 89!  I think I am going to come back!!!!"[/b]

duq81 wrote:

This game by itself means little. Now, if they were to win 3 of their next 4, and then win one in Brooklyn, then this game becomes part of a stretch of improved play that might mean something going forward.

You hit the nail on the head.  The Dukes have a good shot of finishing above SJU and getting a first round bye if they can win 3 of 4.  I like the Dukes energy yesterday.  I hope the Dayton game was a turning point athough I do agree with FAM that Dayton looked like a very tired team who missed a ton of open shots.  We will see.  I also think heels got it in perspective.  Prayers for coach.

The Dukes closed out strong , every time Dayton cut it to five, one of the Dukes made a good play to score, I loved it when DC hit the three, it was like a dagger.

Powell made a great play changeing hands on a drive, getting an and one and sinking it.

Other close games didn't end well, maybe you do learn by losing, Jarrett!

duqkurt wrote:

FAM - I appreciate the honesty and I am likewise conflicted. I'm happy anytime we win. But I don't think the athletic department has proper leadership.

IMO, winning down the stretch doesn't negate this poor season. I don't care that the team got better at the end. I saw too many unprepared efforts to get them to this point.

I don't think teams take DU seriously so if we are hitting shots and the other team has a poor effort, we win some games. I attribute our recent success more to that than anything else.

With Dougherty leaving, every win gives him another reason not to toss GA and begin the house cleaning. So if you are asking me to be honest, a victory yesterday hurts that cause.

I don't think we are rooting for them to lose. We are rooting for the much needed change we believe they need.

I agree that winning won't negate this season, but on the other hand, considering that every key player but one will be back next year, it would mean something if the light began to come on.

duq81 wrote:

duqkurt wrote:

FAM - I appreciate the honesty and I am likewise conflicted. I'm happy anytime we win. But I don't think the athletic department has proper leadership.

IMO, winning down the stretch doesn't negate this poor season. I don't care that the team got better at the end. I saw too many unprepared efforts to get them to this point.

I don't think teams take DU seriously so if we are hitting shots and the other team has a poor effort, we win some games. I attribute our recent success more to that than anything else.

With Dougherty leaving, every win gives him another reason not to toss GA and begin the house cleaning. So if you are asking me to be honest, a victory yesterday hurts that cause.

I don't think we are rooting for them to lose. We are rooting for the much needed change we believe they need.

I agree that winning won't negate this season, but on the other hand, considering that every key player but one will be back next year, it would mean something if the light began to come on.

Yes, that is true.  The improvement in play that we saw as last season wound down certainly was the main reason for my optimism prior to this season.  But the fact is that light should have come on as soon as this season began.  The players bear part of the responsibilty for that, but, in my opinion,  the lion's share goes to the coaching staff for this dark season.  I think we do have the talent to be competitive in this league right now, but bad personnel decisions, poor game day coaching and a lack of teaching and motivational abilities have landed us where we are.
 

duq81 wrote:

VBC wrote:

duq81 wrote:

I agree that winning won't negate this season, but on the other hand, considering that every key player but one will be back next year, it would mean something if the light began to come on.

Yes, that is true.  The improvement in play that we saw as last season wound down certainly was the main reason for my optimism prior to this season.  But the fact is that light should have come on as soon as this season began.  The players bear part of the responsibilty for that, but, in my opinion,  the lion's share goes to the coaching staff for this dark season.  I think we do have the talent to be competitive in this league right now, but bad personnel decisions, poor game day coaching and a lack of teaching and motivational abilities have landed us where we are.
 

I think the decision to move Mason to the point, along with the nonsense with Domo being jerked around early, is the reason why the season became a disaster. Not saying that we would have had a great year, but maybe you change the result in 3 or 4 games. Turn 4 of the losses around, and we're discussing whether or not we'll have a winning season, or if we could get on a roll, and make it into the postseason. This is why we really need to take a summer trip. Get the kinks out during the trip, and be ready to hit the ground running.

I agree with the early season moves hurt the developement of this team offensively,  but if Ferry doesn't get some pressing man to man defense next year,  to force turnovers and fast break points, we still will be vulnerable to good perimeter shooting teams. But,  if Ferry manages to blend in  some man-defense;  plus the fact  this whole team coming back next year,  then, maybe we could be in for an upside supprise.  

I absolutely agree that winning was bad for the program ... Dayton's that is...
I will always take a win, anytime, anywhere.... It's not like we get better draft picks by losing.

Phildog wrote:

One thing about Ferry, he is consistent , remember how long it took him to bring a winner to his last team.

Now he had to come in to rebuild a program that the last coach only won 100 games in a strong conference that has a TV package and multiple NCAA teams. That is a real recruiting hurdle to over come by any measure.
Plus the players he brought in have forced him into playing zone and many fans want him fired.
Who would want to coach here for that kind of challenge or meager pay?

Is this sarcasm or not?  I can't tell.  Meager pay? Ferry makes 600,000 a year!  Also, Ron made his expectations higher than before imo.  

Thanks Fam, I just become frustrated in announcers and reporters acting like Duquesne was a horrible program before Ferry was hired. All we heard out of him was how terrible the players left behind were.

Well, RE won with those kids and I bet he would not have put the Dukes into the tailspin they are in.

Maybe Ferry is a good coach, he just doesn't win here.

RE was a winner everywhere he coached, and gave the Dukes the most winning or 500 teams since Red Manning, I think.

And for a lot less money than the current coach is getting without producing.

Phildog wrote:

One thing about Ferry, he is consistent , remember how long it took him to bring a winner to his last team.

Now he had to come in to rebuild a program that the last coach only won 100 games in a strong conference that has a TV package and multiple NCAA teams. That is a real recruiting hurdle to over come by any measure.
Plus the players he brought in have forced him into playing zone and many fans want him fired.
Who would want to coach here for that kind of challenge or meager pay?

 Phil, I understand your sarcasm, but maybe a bit unfair in my opinion.  Ron certainly won some games, so I agree that his dismissal was surprising for a program that really struggled before he arrived,  but the cupboard was totally bare when Ferry took over.  There was nothing left.  Not blaming Ron, since he was fired during a recruiting period, but he was probably going to struggle pretty badly the following year, based upon the two players he had committed; neither of whom have done much in three years at their respective schools. 
Now I am not confusing Ferry with the great strategists of the game, but in contrast to tryting to build a team every year with incoming players, you will have a core of returning veterans next year, lead by two senior guards who are playing pretty well right now, a senior swingman who has become a good team player,and three developing forwards, who played their best basketball on Saturday, two unknowns in Castro and Markwell, that have at least benefitted by practicing all season with the team; and some depth coming off the bench.  I would suggest that we haven't seen anything like that heading into a season since Ron got shooting victims back for a one year run, with Reggie, Tuck and Achara.  This will be a team that should win, so Ferry has to produce; but let's give him that chance.

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