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lilpav30 · 2/28/2015 5:08 pm

McCoy with 15 and 9 in first half? Wow

Mike Ignelsi · 2/28/2015 6:42 pm

Wouldn't it be better to change defenses every once in awhile? Again lit up by uncontested threes. Even if your poor in man, you have to show it to keep them a little off guard. How about the 2-2-1 zone as a quick change? There are endless defenses Duquesne can play as poorly as the 2-3. Uggg!

PhoenixRising2 · 2/28/2015 6:59 pm

The Bonnies average 66.6 points per game; and their season high was 80 points - except for the 2 games vs. the Dukes where they scored 100 and 92 points. Great defensive game plan.

SkepticAl · 2/28/2015 7:14 pm

Maybe on the front of our shirts it should read "UKES" (as in NO D!!!)

90 plus points from St Bonnie -- OUCH!!!

PhoenixRising2 · 2/28/2015 7:53 pm

SkepticAl wrote:
Maybe on the front of our shirts it should read "UKES" (as in NO D!!!)

90 plus points from St Bonnie -- OUCH!!!

Beautiful. Introducing your Uquesne Ukes coached by Jim Ferry - cause there is no D in Jim Ferry.

2/28/2015 7:57 pm

If anyone at DU is reading this, your fan base isn't really even angry anymore. Two boards and 2 hours after the game, 4 comments here and none on the other board. And the comments are just really a feeling of resignation.

No complaining on Twitter either.

People simply don't care any more about the DU men's basketball program.

Thanks DU!! You got what you wanted. People aren't even angry anymore.

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Phildog · 2/28/2015 8:56 pm

I turned off the internet feed with two min to go In the first half.

I would rather see pot guards get beat on D rather than allow 3's drilled with no one near the shooter.

Plus playing Colter and Mason almost the whole games without a break , the other two guards could help now the gunner is gone.
DoMo was able to beat anyone that guarded him, two bad he set on the pine the first half of the season.

could the Dukes play man any worse than this zone?

Ironduke1981 · 3/01/2015 9:08 am

In fairness Oleans tough place to win. Yes no D but should anyone be surprised? If Dukes go down to Fordham this program has it rock bottom. That program has been a mess since they joined the A-10. Davidson on the NCAA bubble list,maybe the Dukes play spoiler. Watching college basketball every home team has students & fans great atmosphere. At this point zero student support zero alumni or fan support.Pick a team for your NCAA poll. Watch Pitt RMU & WVU come March maybe at the Consol Groundhogs Day @ the bluff what's new.

FAM · 3/01/2015 11:08 am

duqkurt,
I have no clue on what else to say... Not much has changed when they play away. They still lose, they still play the L.H.T.M. D. and yesterday, the Bonnies didn't miss. No one here wants to be extremely critical of student athletes as they are trying their best, they were recruited by the coach. and that is who we have. What else is there to say about the program, the AD, and the coach that hasn't been said? I am as frustrated as you. The past few days I heard two interesting (or at least I thought they were interesting) comments that related to the Men's program. One was from a sports announcer in Toronto describing his hockey team. He said that the team is a mess, and the coach isn't very good, but it is an issue that Toronto has been terrible for years. It had to do with the organization from top to bottom. Hmm. The other comment was from a friend of mine who used to coach and was very successful. He said to me (my friend) that no matter what happened before TJ left and the AD and the coach... that him leaving - by his actions SAID to anyone else who wants to go to Duquesne.."I attended Duquesne, it is an NCAA school. You can't stay here because they can't get to the NCAA. So, I am going to go to another University that has a basketball team so I can get to the NCAA's." My buddy said he believed that was the nonverbal message sent to everyone. Not that we all didn't know that but listening to him say the message he believed that TJ' leaving spoke volumes. Don't know what else to say. I totally understand your thoughts.

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3/01/2015 11:18 am

FAM, We have said it over and over. It is the organization from top to bottom. You are 100% correct. I don't really think that 99.9% of the fans have any confidence in them at all.

My post was aimed at those in the administration who may be reading this. They got what they wanted. And the remaining people will go at the end of this year.

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duq81 · 3/01/2015 11:50 am

duqkurt wrote:
FAM, We have said it over and over. It is the organization from top to bottom. You are 100% correct. I don't really think that 99.9% of the fans have any confidence in them at all.

My post was aimed at those in the administration who may be reading this. They got what they wanted. And the remaining people will go at the end of this year.

I think waht FAM said is even more damning that what you think. What he's saying, is that even under Ron, we were going nowhere, and TJ saw that. At a good program, a Ron type year is considered an off year, or a rebuilding year. A Ferry type year would be beyond the pale. The fact that we yearn for a return of what we did under Ron speaks volumes about the status of the program. Maybe Ron worked a miracle by simply making us mediocre. Like I've said before, I'd love to see us bring in a guy who has a reputation for doing more, with less. Maybe a guy who is on Bob McKillop's staff. He is exactly the type of coach who is needed here. No coach is going to come in and recruit us out of this mess. We need a guy who knows how to assemble a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts. A guy who knows what it takes to win, and will go out get peices that fit together well, even if they are individually not great players.

Steel city AJ · 3/01/2015 12:33 pm

Without a doubt St Bona is a tough place to play, probably the toughest in the conference. Couldn't listen to the game, wasn't on WJAS and RMU was on 970, but after looking at the box score, we couldn't hit a 3 and bona shot 50% from 3. Rebounding and TO's were about even. Micah going 2-11 didn't help. Must win game Wednesday to try to tie with Joes' to stay out of the play in game.

3/01/2015 1:10 pm

The game was listed by the Duquesne website as a WJAS game. But the geniuses there don't even know their own radio contract.

RMU played at the exact same time. So I'd imagine that Clear Channels who still produces the WJAS games couldn't contractually broadcast it. So it was bumped to Internet only.

These is Amodio and Learfield Sports in action. The great radio contract they negotiated.

In regards to where DU goes as a program, I am lost for words.

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Ironduke1981 · 3/01/2015 1:52 pm

duqkurt wrote:
The game was listed by the Duquesne website as a WJAS game. But the geniuses there don't even know their own radio contract.

RMU played at the exact same time. So I'd imagine that Clear Channels who still produces the WJAS games couldn't contractually broadcast it. So it was bumped to Internet only.

These is Amodio and Learfield Sports in action. The great radio contract they negotiated.

Only at Duquesne if it wasn't so sad it would be comical you really could not make this stuff up!

duq81 · 3/01/2015 2:28 pm

duqkurt wrote:
The game was listed by the Duquesne website as a WJAS game. But the geniuses there don't even know their own radio contract.

RMU played at the exact same time. So I'd imagine that Clear Channels who still produces the WJAS games couldn't contractually broadcast it. So it was bumped to Internet only.

These is Amodio and Learfield Sports in action. The great radio contract they negotiated.

In regards to where DU goes as a program, I am lost for words.

They got burned badly by their desire to be on FM. Going with 970 would have been the safe route. Of course I remember some on this board thinking that it was great to be on an FM station with a strong signal. I bet they didn't think that 970 would be interested in RMU, and that the option would be there if things didn't work out on FM. Kinda blew up in their faces didn't it? The problem is that so few people care about the Dukes, that no non sports radio station feels the product is valuable enough to disrupt their regular programming for. Guess what, they're right. Can you believe that we used to be on KDKA?

NapaDuke · 3/01/2015 11:13 pm

duq81 wrote:
duqkurt wrote:
FAM, We have said it over and over. It is the organization from top to bottom. You are 100% correct. I don't really think that 99.9% of the fans have any confidence in them at all.

My post was aimed at those in the administration who may be reading this. They got what they wanted. And the remaining people will go at the end of this year.
I think waht FAM said is even more damning that what you think. What he's saying, is that even under Ron, we were going nowhere, and TJ saw that. At a good program, a Ron type year is considered an off year, or a rebuilding year. A Ferry type year would be beyond the pale. The fact that we yearn for a return of what we did under Ron speaks volumes about the status of the program. Maybe Ron worked a miracle by simply making us mediocre. Like I've said before, I'd love to see us bring in a guy who has a reputation for doing more, with less. Maybe a guy who is on Bob McKillop's staff. He is exactly the type of coach who is needed here. No coach is going to come in and recruit us out of this mess. We need a guy who knows how to assemble a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts. A guy who knows what it takes to win, and will go out get peices that fit together well, even if they are individually not great players.

You somehow constantly reinvent history, that Ron didn't coach any winning teams here? And Ferry is? Did you watch the St.B game?? St.B scored 9 of their first 19 points just on defensive pressure man to man defense (turnovers to points) while Ferry's zone gave every St.B player a six foot separation to freely operate their offense? St.B hit the no-pressure wide-open shots the entire game!! Hey 81, didn't Ferry come in here to get us to the next level? Ron took us from this crap to, as you say, the mediocre A-10 finals, but the next coach was suppost to go up from there not down? I agree with you that we need a coach to come in here and can " coach" a team into a winner. Maybe, like a Rick Majerus, while he was at St,Louis. He contantly put a tough defensive team on the floor year after year and gave them a chance to win.

NapaDuke · 3/01/2015 11:52 pm

FAM wrote:
duqkurt,
I have no clue on what else to say... Not much has changed when they play away. They still lose, they still play the L.H.T.M. D. and yesterday, the Bonnies didn't miss. No one here wants to be extremely critical of student athletes as they are trying their best, they were recruited by the coach. and that is who we have. What else is there to say about the program, the AD, and the coach that hasn't been said? I am as frustrated as you. The past few days I heard two interesting (or at least I thought they were interesting) comments that related to the Men's program. One was from a sports announcer in Toronto describing his hockey team. He said that the team is a mess, and the coach isn't very good, but it is an issue that Toronto has been terrible for years. It had to do with the organization from top to bottom. Hmm. The other comment was from a friend of mine who used to coach and was very successful. He said to me (my friend) that no matter what happened before TJ left and the AD and the coach... that him leaving - by his actions SAID to anyone else who wants to go to Duquesne.."I attended Duquesne, it is an NCAA school. You can't stay here because they can't get to the NCAA. So, I am going to go to another University that has a basketball team so I can get to the NCAA's." My buddy said he believed that was the nonverbal message sent to everyone. Not that we all didn't know that but listening to him say the message he believed that TJ' leaving spoke volumes. Don't know what else to say. I totally understand your thoughts.

Here's a thought. Did TJ going to Arizona help or hurt him? He was an A-10 star, now his is a Pac-12 role player. While at DU he was 3rd in the nation in steals,now 24th. Assist and assist to turnover ratio and 3 point shooting would have been better here plus he would have been an A-10 stand-out every year. Even though he's in a bigger school, he is not racking up the personal stats he would have here. The most he can do after his playing days at Arizona is maybe an asst. coaching job somewhere. At DU he would have left after 4 years leading most stat in both DU and the A-10. Was it a better move?

duq81 · 3/02/2015 7:58 am

NapaDuke wrote:
duq81 wrote:
duqkurt wrote:
FAM, We have said it over and over. It is the organization from top to bottom. You are 100% correct. I don't really think that 99.9% of the fans have any confidence in them at all.

My post was aimed at those in the administration who may be reading this. They got what they wanted. And the remaining people will go at the end of this year.
I think waht FAM said is even more damning that what you think. What he's saying, is that even under Ron, we were going nowhere, and TJ saw that. At a good program, a Ron type year is considered an off year, or a rebuilding year. A Ferry type year would be beyond the pale. The fact that we yearn for a return of what we did under Ron speaks volumes about the status of the program. Maybe Ron worked a miracle by simply making us mediocre. Like I've said before, I'd love to see us bring in a guy who has a reputation for doing more, with less. Maybe a guy who is on Bob McKillop's staff. He is exactly the type of coach who is needed here. No coach is going to come in and recruit us out of this mess. We need a guy who knows how to assemble a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts. A guy who knows what it takes to win, and will go out get peices that fit together well, even if they are individually not great players.

You somehow constantly reinvent history, that Ron didn't coach any winning teams here? And Ferry is? Did you watch the St.B game?? St.B scored 9 of their first 19 points just on defensive pressure man to man defense (turnovers to points) while Ferry's zone gave every St.B player a six foot separation to freely operate their offense? St.B hit the no-pressure wide-open shots the entire game!! Hey 81, didn't Ferry come in here to get us to the next level? Ron took us from this crap to, as you say, the mediocre A-10 finals, but the next coach was suppost to go up from there not down? I agree with you that we need a coach to come in here and can " coach" a team into a winner. Maybe, like a Rick Majerus, while he was at St,Louis. He contantly put a tough defensive team on the floor year after year and gave them a chance to win.

Nice job of building a straw man to knock down. Not once did I say Ferry has done a good job. He's been terrible. I also said that Ron possibly worked a miracle by doing as well as he did under difficult circumstances. That said, long term the goal is not modest winning records, or CBI bids. The goal is to be good enough to earn at large bids to the NCAA Tournament. Nothing less will do. Whether or not Ron was given enough time or support is a different argument, but ultimately, he was going to have to reach that goal. If not, both he and the AD were going to have to go. I don't buy all of the excuses I constantly read here, and on the other board. If LaSalle, and Bona can reach the NCAA's, there is no good reason that Duquesne can't make an appearance occasionally. I'm not expecting a return to the Sihugo Green days, but I don't think it's too much to ask to have a program that makes an appearance in the tournament once or twice a decade. We haven't had a tournament worthy team since 1972. Outside of Northwestern, that has got to be the worst track record of any team playing in a major conference.

The problem Duquesne made in hiring Ferry, is that they looked at the gaudy records of his last two teams, and were sold. That's the wrong approach. You need to find a guy who you think can work around the shortcomings that Duquesne has. We need a guy who is very strong in player development, and is known as an "x and o's" type of coach. That's why I mentioned Bob McKillop, and suggested that they take a look at his staff when Ferry gets the boot after next season. McKillop is exactly the type of coach Duquesne desperately needs.

Steel city AJ · 3/02/2015 10:02 am

There is no way in hell Bob Mckillop would ever come to Duquesne. He probably makes close to a million dollars and gets whatever he wants at Davidson. Unless you were referring to an assistant coach? I think hiring an assistant coach that doesn't have any head coaching experience would be stupid, unless they were at a powerhouse for a few years. Ferry will get it done. This team should be 7-9 at worst (losing to RI and SBU).

NapaDuke · 3/02/2015 11:11 am

duq81 wrote:
NapaDuke wrote:
duq81 wrote:

I think waht FAM said is even more damning that what you think. What he's saying, is that even under Ron, we were going nowhere, and TJ saw that. At a good program, a Ron type year is considered an off year, or a rebuilding year. A Ferry type year would be beyond the pale. The fact that we yearn for a return of what we did under Ron speaks volumes about the status of the program. Maybe Ron worked a miracle by simply making us mediocre. Like I've said before, I'd love to see us bring in a guy who has a reputation for doing more, with less. Maybe a guy who is on Bob McKillop's staff. He is exactly the type of coach who is needed here. No coach is going to come in and recruit us out of this mess. We need a guy who knows how to assemble a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts. A guy who knows what it takes to win, and will go out get peices that fit together well, even if they are individually not great players.

You somehow constantly reinvent history, that Ron didn't coach any winning teams here? And Ferry is? Did you watch the St.B game?? St.B scored 9 of their first 19 points just on defensive pressure man to man defense (turnovers to points) while Ferry's zone gave every St.B player a six foot separation to freely operate their offense? St.B hit the no-pressure wide-open shots the entire game!! Hey 81, didn't Ferry come in here to get us to the next level? Ron took us from this crap to, as you say, the mediocre A-10 finals, but the next coach was suppost to go up from there not down? I agree with you that we need a coach to come in here and can " coach" a team into a winner. Maybe, like a Rick Majerus, while he was at St,Louis. He contantly put a tough defensive team on the floor year after year and gave them a chance to win.
Nice job of building a straw man to knock down. Not once did I say Ferry has done a good job. He's been terrible. I also said that Ron possibly worked a miracle by doing as well as he did under difficult circumstances. That said, long term the goal is not modest winning records, or CBI bids. The goal is to be good enough to earn at large bids to the NCAA Tournament. Nothing less will do. Whether or not Ron was given enough time or support is a different argument, but ultimately, he was going to have to reach that goal. If not, both he and the AD were going to have to go. I don't buy all of the excuses I constantly read here, and on the other board. If LaSalle, and Bona can reach the NCAA's, there is no good reason that Duquesne can't make an appearance occasionally. I'm not expecting a return to the Sihugo Green days, but I don't think it's too much to ask to have a program that makes an appearance in the tournament once or twice a decade. We haven't had a tournament worthy team since 1972. Outside of Northwestern, that has got to be the worst track record of any team playing in a major conference.

The problem Duquesne made in hiring Ferry, is that they looked at the gaudy records of his last two teams, and were sold. That's the wrong approach. You need to find a guy who you think can work around the shortcomings that Duquesne has. We need a guy who is very strong in player development, and is known as an "x and o's" type of coach. That's why I mentioned Bob McKillop, and suggested that they take a look at his staff when Ferry gets the boot after next season. McKillop is exactly the type of coach Duquesne desperately needs.

Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic about Ron work a miracle. I took it the wrong way. Also, you were right, you didn't say Ferry was doing a good job. I think we all can see that we need a coach that has a history of building his team by teaching them his style of play that developes a consistant winner.

FAM · 3/02/2015 11:23 am

NapaDuke, I don't think there is any question at all that leaving Duquesne helped TJ. He is on a team that is one of the top in the country, playing for a coach who knows what he is doing, playing with other players who know what they are doing, and is learning so much more. Staying at Duquesne - he would have been on a team going nowhere with a program going downhill, if that is possible in a venue with 1,500 fans when they count the guards, police, and folks who sell the food. It isn't even a question.

But here is my question, does anyone know Ferry's Win-Loss Total Record at LIU and combine it with his record at Duquesne? Yes, add them up. And he is going to take us somewhere?? Now my prediction is that Teflon Ferry will say he couldn't recruit because of the poor program at Duquesne. Gee, wasn't he the one that was going to turn it around? My prediction is the AD will blame the coach. Gee, wasn't the AD the one that hired him? No wonder Teflon is such a miracle composite.

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duq81 · 3/02/2015 11:38 am

Steel city AJ wrote:
There is no way in hell Bob Mckillop would ever come to Duquesne. He probably makes close to a million dollars and gets whatever he wants at Davidson. Unless you were referring to an assistant coach? I think hiring an assistant coach that doesn't have any head coaching experience would be stupid, unless they were at a powerhouse for a few years. Ferry will get it done. This team should be 7-9 at worst (losing to RI and SBU).

Goodness gracious, reading comprehension is at an all time low here. I'm not dumb enough to think McKillop himself would come here. I want a guy like McKillop here. That's why I suggested looking at his staff.

duq81 · 3/02/2015 11:50 am

FAM wrote:
NapaDuke, I don't think there is any question at all that leaving Duquesne helped TJ. He is on a team that is one of the top in the country, playing for a coach who knows what he is doing, playing with other players who know what they are doing, and is learning so much more. Staying at Duquesne - he would have been on a team going nowhere with a program going downhill, if that is possible in a venue with 1,500 fans when they count the guards, police, and folks who sell the food. It isn't even a question.

But here is my question, does anyone know Ferry's Win-Loss Total Record at LIU and combine it with his record at Duquesne? Yes, add them up. And he is going to take us somewhere?? Now my prediction is that Teflon Ferry will say he couldn't recruit because of the poor program at Duquesne. Gee, wasn't he the one that was going to turn it around? My prediction is the AD will blame the coach. Gee, wasn't the AD the one that hired him? No wonder Teflon is such a miracle composite.

There were some in the media (not local), who questioned whether Ferry's approach would work at the A10 level. This was raised when he was hired.
Well, I'm going to stop bashing Ferry for now. Next year will be put up, or shut time for him. He will have an experienced team, with several guys who were well regarded coming out of high school. There will be no excuse for us not to have a solid team next year. Strong veteran backcourt, and no 6'6" guy trying to play center. Get it done Ferry.
Also, as we have discussed recently, the timing for a summer trip could not be better. If it doesn't happen, then this will clearly demonstrate the lack of commitment by the folks in charge.

grammudder · 3/02/2015 5:10 pm

Fam: Please take you whining act to another venue. I am sick and tired of your negativism, which you call constructive criticism. We know your opinion. You post it daily. That's my opinion. Go root for Arizona and the McConnells and the Millers and be happy. Send your hard earned $$$ to Arizona University to support their athletic program. Send your hard earned $$$ to Charties Valley Boosters so Coach McConnell can take another tax payer paid trip to Arizona for his kid to play and for him to see his son play. I don't give a rat's ass about these creeps. Your act is wearing real, real thin. Teflon Ferry? Is that like in Teflon Reagan? Your prayers for Ferry and Amodio to get fired will go unheeded and unanswered. You know it and the administrators of this board know it and probably the most important guy knows it-President CD. These are my opinions.

duq81 · 3/02/2015 5:42 pm

grammudder wrote:
Fam: Please take you whining act to another venue. I am sick and tired of your negativism, which you call constructive criticism. We know your opinion. You post it daily. That's my opinion. Go root for Arizona and the McConnells and the Millers and be happy. Send your hard earned $$$ to Arizona University to support their athletic program. Send your hard earned $$$ to Charties Valley Boosters so Coach McConnell can take another tax payer paid trip to Arizona for his kid to play and for him to see his son play. I don't give a rat's ass about these creeps. Your act is wearing real, real thin. Teflon Ferry? Is that like in Teflon Reagan? Your prayers for Ferry and Amodio to get fired will go unheeded and unanswered. You know it and the administrators of this board know it and probably the most important guy knows it-President CD. These are my opinions.

No personal attacks Gram.

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