Andy Toole 2 year extension

Lauren Kirschman @bct_lkirschman   ·  3h 3 hours ago Just to clear up everything Minnie related: Confirmed he requested a release, but he's not necessarily leaving. Weighing options

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/college/basketball/minnie-requests-release-from-robert-morris/article_7f98e07a-da49-11e4-9b10-579801d66060.html

 

ElDuque wrote:

Anyone notice how quickly Andy Toole built a winning program at Bobby Mo? Or Danny Hurley at RI?

No BS excuses. No blaming ghosts of seasons past.

Just winning. Imagine that.

But then, those schools hired coaches with pedigrees.

What pedigree did Toole Have?
 

ElDuque wrote:

Toole played D1 ball at Penn. Fran Dunphy was his coach. Oh by the way, went to the NCAAs as a player. Twice. His first assistant job was at Lafayette, a D1 program.

Admittedly, it's not as shiny as Hurley's, who is the son of one of the best coaches at any level anywhere, who played and starred in the Big East, who had a prep program at St. Benedicts that could beat a lot of low level college teams, and who, in three short seasons, is now successful at RI.

But shinier than Ferry's, for sure.

Admittedly, pedigree isn't everything. Results count more. So let's talk when Ferry has some.

I hardly want to be defending Ferry, but coaching a low major to the NCAA's twice, is going to impress me more than being a player on a low major that did the same. Remember, we're hiring a coach, not a player. You can't sneer at Ferry coaching a team to the dance, and then try to tell me that Toole playing for a low major that made the dance is in any way impressive. It's not like Toole was the star of the team either.
 

CLK wrote:

duq81 wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

Toole played D1 ball at Penn. Fran Dunphy was his coach. Oh by the way, went to the NCAAs as a player. Twice. His first assistant job was at Lafayette, a D1 program.

Admittedly, it's not as shiny as Hurley's, who is the son of one of the best coaches at any level anywhere, who played and starred in the Big East, who had a prep program at St. Benedicts that could beat a lot of low level college teams, and who, in three short seasons, is now successful at RI.

But shinier than Ferry's, for sure.

Admittedly, pedigree isn't everything. Results count more. So let's talk when Ferry has some.

I hardly want to be defending Ferry, but coaching a low major to the NCAA's twice, is going to impress me more than being a player on a low major that did the same. Remember, we're hiring a coach, not a player. You can't sneer at Ferry coaching a team to the dance, and then try to tell me that Toole playing for a low major that made the dance is in any way impressive. It's not like Toole was the star of the team either.
 

As far as I am concerned, it is crucial for Ferry to beat a decimated RMU team at home next season.  If Ferry can't do that in his 4th year there is no hope the Dukes will ever be more than the City of Pittsburgh's basketball doormat, and so much for the next level coach.
 

Agree 100% with this. Year four is the time to see some solid steps forward, and beating RMU is a first step. No losses to scrub teams, and a winning record is a must. 16-17 wins won't have me dancing in the street, but it would be a return to RE levels, and at least give me some hope that we have a chance going forward.

duq81 wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

Toole played D1 ball at Penn. Fran Dunphy was his coach. Oh by the way, went to the NCAAs as a player. Twice. His first assistant job was at Lafayette, a D1 program.

Admittedly, it's not as shiny as Hurley's, who is the son of one of the best coaches at any level anywhere, who played and starred in the Big East, who had a prep program at St. Benedicts that could beat a lot of low level college teams, and who, in three short seasons, is now successful at RI.

But shinier than Ferry's, for sure.

Admittedly, pedigree isn't everything. Results count more. So let's talk when Ferry has some.

I hardly want to be defending Ferry, but coaching a low major to the NCAA's twice, is going to impress me more than being a player on a low major that did the same. Remember, we're hiring a coach, not a player. You can't sneer at Ferry coaching a team to the dance, and then try to tell me that Toole playing for a low major that made the dance is in any way impressive. It's not like Toole was the star of the team either.
 

 
All Ferry has proven to be so far is Scott Edgar II. Of course, without having a recommendation from Nolan Richardson, or any other big time coach. What about his other 8 years at LIU, or any other point in his coaching career? There's nothing there that tells you he can be successful at this level. In fact, prior to those two seasons, I would think that a decent AD would have been queuing up a replacement.

Toole, hands down, is a better coach. At such a young age, he owns a postseason win over Calipari and Kentucky, and a win in the NCAA Tournament. He hasn't had a losing season yet. Yeah, I would make the trade in a heartbeat, but why would Toole come here?

How is it false? Toole played at a school that regularly went to the NCAAs and played for a coach in Dunphy who was hired by no less than Temple. Don't tell me there is nothing to where you play, or who you play for, that doesn't mold your philosophies or skills. Then his first assistant job is at a D1 school. If none of this matters, then how do you explain Andy Toole's success? His resume in a couple of years at RMU now is waaaaaaaay more impressive than "went to the NCAAs 2 years in a row." Toole WON an NCAA Tournament game. Last year he beat Kentucky in the NIT. I expect the drones to try to crap on that, but not you. What is Ferry's pedigree? I couldn't tell you where Keene State is, what level they play, or who coached there. What about the places he assisted? What big time coaches were there to teach him? Please 81. Tell me you're pulling my leg. No pedigree for Toole. Did he fall off a turnip truck this morning?

I wouldn't have hired Ferry. He was Scott Edgar II, although if you look at the overall body of work, it was pretty poor. I doubt Amodio asked Ferry what he would do differently in the A10, because the plan all along has been to keep doing what he's always done. I would have wanted Toole as an assistant. Ferry I would have rejected. But, I want to win, unlike my Alma Mater.