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The Peter Principle says that some Employees, Especially in the area of management eventually get moved ahead when there are openings until they get to a level of incompetence - one in which they can no longer be successful. Has that happened to Ferry, or is he just repeating his same losing for five seasons and then he will win? Is this league too far above him? IMHO, he was lured by the money but made a bad career move. I don't blame him though--$600K for 6 years would be tough to turn down and he isn't that young. I give Andy Toole much credit for not going to Fordham but one has to wonder if $600K or more was offered to him. Toole will eventually get a job at a good program where he is well paid and has a chance to win. Toole is much younger than Ferry and has time on his side. I hope for Ferry's sake, and the sake of all Duquesne fans, that he succeeds here or his head coaching days in Division I could be over. Ferry's contract, the length of which is a mistake, guarantees he will be here a long time. When Ferry was hired I was more than surprised at the dollar amount and length of Ferry's contract--especially for a guy that I would guess many of us had never heard of. My first thought was that we must have really landed someone special for Duquesne to make that type of commitment. So far...well, the record tells the story. I agree that he will be here for at least the next three years. They won't eat that contract. I am looking for something else to hold my interest over the next three winters if the product doesn't get better. If things don't improve markedly and he is here beyond that, I wouldn't even know what to say. Since the AD couldn't get the coach he wanted from Akron, maybe the AD was desparate to not fall flat on his face. Maybe those high demands from Ferry were agreed to by the AD because he was now stuck without a known winning coach who would come to DU. SO MAYBE he had to give that $$ and years...maybe😹 Another shining moment in Duquesne basketball history: Dambrot telling every sportswriter in the Eastern time zone that Amodio chased him like a love-struck adolescent, and he turned him down every time. Staying where you're at guarantees nothing. There are plenty of coaches who stay put, and then are fired a few years later when the winning slows down. If the money is right, you have to seriously consider jumping. Karl Hobbs could have left GW when the Colonials were dominating the league 8-9 years ago. He didn't, the winning slowed down, and a pink slip followed. Ferry's deal basically puts his kids through college and then some. I don't think he will mind being a much lower paid assistant when he gets canned from here, after next year. Not sure if one of the first things the new President does is to remove the AD. Unless he or she realizes what Duquesne is missing out on by not have a men's program, this may not be on the top of the list. We could be stuck with the AD and the coach for two more years. I would be surprised if the AD gets rid of the coach while he is here - he is the one who hired him - he is the one who probably suggested the salary. However, the AD could throw the coach under the bus, blame him, fire him, and use that to save his own job. We will have to wait and see. However, the AD could throw the coach under the bus, blame him, fire him, and use that to save his own job. However, the AD could throw the coach under the bus, blame him, fire him, and use that to save his own job. Ain't gonna happen again. You know my theory has always been that GA fired Ron to protect himself. Despite the rumours of the supposed "great recruiting class", with the combination of graduating seniors, and defections, there was, in my opinion, a chance that the team was going to post a bad record the following year. Considering Ron's contract situation, that well could have put him, and the AD in jeopardy. GA got the plug pulled on Ron a year early in order to protect himself. They keep beating this dead horse in other places on the internet. Must we keep doing it here? They keep beating this dead horse in other places on the internet. Must we keep doing it here? That horse is gonna get whipped until either GA is fired, or the team starts winning. At that point, it will probably get ugly for the posters who are proven wrong. duq81, how much uglier can it get? Ferry has set the program back to the Nee days, people keep blaming his predecessor, and the University itself simply does not care. I got a request from the Athletic Department last week asking me to give money to this crap. I wrote on the card: "38 years since the last NCAA Tournament. Contact me next time we go." They keep beating this dead horse in other places on the internet. Must we keep doing it here? That horse is gonna get whipped until either GA is fired, or the team starts winning. At that point, it will probably get ugly for the posters who are proven wrong. It looks like Amodio's Godfather on the Board may have saved him this year. Next year, if the Dukes do not have a winning season in what appears to be a weaken A10 (by looking at the growing transfer list) I have to think that nothing can save him. Hey, CLK, you stole a little of my thunder! I was going to say that if enough of the good coaches left the A-10, Ferry might catch up to the pack that way! duq81, how much uglier can it get? Ferry has set the program back to the Nee days, people keep blaming his predecessor, and the University itself simply does not care. I got a request from the Athletic Department last week asking me to give money to this crap. I wrote on the card: "38 years since the last NCAA Tournament. Contact me next time we go." I don't even give them credit for that fluke. Villanova blows their doors off if Keith Herron isn't hurt. 1972, the last time Duquesne had a tournament level team (Yeah, I know they didn't get a bid, but that was bs) Tha said, there's no point in banging on Ferry all summer. It makes the board unreadable. It's do or die time for him, Either the team gets back at least to the modest level of Ron's last 3 years, or it's time to clean house. What ticks me off most about last year, is that even with the awful defense, If Ferry doesn't do his tinkering early in the year, the team could well have finished around .500. Not great, but the tone on the board wouldn't be nearly as depressing, as we'd actually have some hope. I have it on pretty good authority that Toole asked Ferry for his thoughts on moving to the A-10. And Ferry advised him to stay put. Thus - the topic for this thread... Thanks Ken, you are probably correct. duq81, what is it that I've said about Ferry that is inaccurate, wrong, or unfair? This is a message board about Duquesne basketball. Rather than pounding on someone who's been gone for three years, I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation about the coach we have now, and where I see the program heading. How about I shut my mouth and blindly follow, and next year when we win 9 games because of this wonderful "system," the University can simply shut the program down and save a couple more pennies?
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The Peter Principle - Should Ferry Regret Moving Up
I found it extremely insightful on his part that Andy Toole did Not take the opportunity to go to Fordham, a school in the Atlantic Ten with extremely high academic standards and extremely low basketball success. Their basketball lack of success reminds me of Duquesne. Andy can stay at Robert Morris where he has found success, in a league where he can get to the NCAA tournament at a different level. And he is getting a raise, doesn't have to begin again, and has proven himself.
Does Ferry see this and think back to maybe he should have stayed at LIU? The money he got was probably a huge factor. But if he fails here, and so far his record speaks for himself, will that money balance the assistant role he may end up in after this job? Does he see what Andy did and think he should have stayed where he was? Only he knows,.,and the Shadow Of course...
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With that said, so far Ferry is in over his head. •
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(Mark my words, another year like this, when attendance will be measured in dozens at AJP, a new President and probably a new AD, they will eat those last two years)
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FAM wrote:
Been there, done that.
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rosceaux wrote:FAM wrote:
Been there, done that.
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ElDuque wrote:
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I'm not expecting a reply in my lifetime.
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duq81 wrote:ElDuque wrote:
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ElDuque wrote:
I'm not expecting a reply in my lifetime.
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WE ARE CREEPING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR....
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PS, I think if Toole asked Ferry for advice, he barked up the wrong tree. Danny Hurley came to the A-10 the same year as Ferry. He's figured it out already.
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