Martins Abele sat out Spring semester of 2011-2012 after becoming ineligible in the Fall of 2012.

Datt sat out the Fall of 2012 after becoming ineligable in the Spring of 2012.

These both happened under Everhart.

This is not a Everhart vs Ferry arguement.
These are facts, check the box scores of games they did not play in because they were not able.

When a player does not pass enough classes to be eligible, this does not come into effect until the following semester (not immediately).

The same is true for APR scores. In order for schools to submit the data for each year, the scores for each year are from the following year. This is common knowledge.

Additionally, the schools APR reflect an entire programs score after the fact (meaning the finished product). The score in Ferry's first year does not reflect that because obviously the academic staff did a good enough job to keep everyone at a certain GPA so that the final score would be high enough.

APR takes into account GPAs and also TRANSFERS. Teams lose points for both. So when TJ, Talley, Herrara, etc transferred (in addition to Datt and Abele illegibility) this is how a program becomes close to the threshold line of penalty.


This is all water under the bridge now. However, there is no denying its affect on a new coach taking over a program. Everhart won there is also no denying that.

But these are facts.

I don't have any knowledge as to why the quotes were made. Besides explaining the context of the rebuild.  Would guess they believed both examples were relevant during the questioning?

I agree that it is all in regards to the past. At this point any deterrent should have been worked past. Hopefully now with a good recruiting class and a number of returnees we are poised to make significant improvement. That way we can all have positives to discuss and not rehash old events!

On another note, as ED mentioned earlier, Tarin Smith and Josh Steel appear to both bring maturity, toughness and skill to the 2015 class. Hopefully along with the much needed development of our big men!

Ferry ain't done $hit at Duquesne

DukesFan79 wrote:

I don't have any knowledge as to why the quotes were made. Besides explaining the context of the rebuild. Would guess they believed both examples were relevant during the questioning?

I agree that it is all in regards to the past. At this point any deterrent should have been worked past. Hopefully now with a good recruiting class and a number of returnees we are poised to make significant improvement. That way we can all have positives to discuss and not rehash old events!

On another note, as ED mentioned earlier, Tarin Smith and Josh Steel appear to both bring maturity, toughness and skill to the 2015 class. Hopefully along with the much needed development of our big men!

The danger of immediate sanctions comment was not true and not necessary.  Suffice to say Ferry faced a rebuilding job which nobody disputed after the loss of McConnell and Talley.  It was a disgraceful attempt by our AD to take yet another shot.  I would hope that both Amodio and Ferry will have finally recognize that by year 4 the blame it on Ron excuse has been worn out.  As we have both agreed previously it is time to start winning.  No more excuse. Personally I would like nothing better than to have positives to discuss and not rehash old events or read disgusting attacks of the prior coach in the press. I like the recruiting class that Ferry has put together this year, and believe there is enough experienced talent returning this year to make a big leap forward.  Ferry must make this happen!
 

Last edited by CLK (5/13/2015 11:36 am)

Speaking to fact checking and who said what in  the article before you pass judgment and blame,  the facts from the article are:

"Partially due to the slew of departures in 2012, the program was in serious trouble with the NCAA’s Academic Progress Rate (APR), a team-based metric measuring the retention and eligibility of a program’s athletes. The situation had gotten so dire, according to Amodio, that the team couldn’t have one player with under a 2.6 grade point average leave or else the program would face sanctions, including a potential ban from the A-10 tournament. At the time Ferry was hired, two scholarship players, Martins Abele and Mamadou Datt, were ineligible, according to a source close to the program.That meant a chunk of Ferry’s first year was spent on getting students to a certain academic level before any wholesale changes could be made."In some ways, that was a bit of a lost year in regards to being able to establish the tone he wanted established and bringing in the players that made more sense for the way he wanted to play and the style he wanted to instill into the program,” Amodio said."

CLK, I gotta take issue with your branding Coach Ferry as attacking Ron.  Where in that verbatim blog does it say Ferry said anything negative about Ron? You are and were out and out wrong to be putting Coach Ferry in the same bed with the AD.  Tarnish the AD all you wish because that seems to be an agenda.  but don't put words in the coach's mouth that never came out.  Be fair to the facts.  They are right in front of you and all to see.   Maybe you should write an apology to Coach Ferry.  As you say, credibility and facts please!  Just in case you or any reader care, I am a diehard Ron Everhart fan.  I am a diehard Dukes fan.  I am a diehard Coach Ferry fan.

Last edited by grammudder (5/13/2015 4:00 pm)

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