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2/28/2016 4:39 pm  #1


Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

This was the worst game that I have seen the women's team play this season.  I've believed that winning the A-10 conference untied was crucial to the Dukes' getting into the NCAA tournament.  A win today might have returned the Dukes to the Women's Coaches' Poll's Top 25.  They will drop in both polls.   Now it appears that winning the A-10 tournament (earning an automatic bid) may be the only way they get into the Big Dance. As a result of today's loss, the Dukes tied for first place with GW and St. Louis .  However, they will be seeded #3 for the tournament.  Their first game (quarterfinal) will be at 7 pm on Friday, March 4th.  If the Dukes win that game, their next game (semi-final) will be on Saturday at 1:30 pm.   
I think the team is wearing down because the staters have played too many minutes throughout the season. There are not enough dependable substitutes that Coach Dan feels comfortable playing extended minutes so he gives the starters minimal rest time on the bench.  It appears that this necessitated practice has taken its toll. 

 

2/28/2016 4:49 pm  #2


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

I don't think our only path to tourney is auto bid after loss today.  However the results have hot been good for us.  St John's is losing at home.   They will fall out of top 50.

Last edited by duqkurt (2/28/2016 4:49 pm)

 

2/28/2016 9:28 pm  #3


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

St. John's will only fall to #49.  It may actually be a good thing they lost - they were squarely on the bubble and we beat them.

See my latest bracketology on Friday at http://www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/womens-basketball-bracketology-updated-2-26-16/ (Rutgers does need to be added after their W over Michigan today as back on the bubble).  What would put many of these other teams out there ahead of the Dukes? 

I can't see putting St. John's, USC, NC St, Oregon, Auburn, etc. ahead of the Dukes should the Dukes avoid a sub 100 RPI loss.
 

 

2/28/2016 10:06 pm  #4


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

godukes1970 wrote:

This was the worst game that I have seen the women's team play this season.  I've believed that winning the A-10 conference untied was crucial to the Dukes' getting into the NCAA tournament.  A win today might have returned the Dukes to the Women's Coaches' Poll's Top 25.  They will drop in both polls.   Now it appears that winning the A-10 tournament (earning an automatic bid) may be the only way they get into the Big Dance. As a result of today's loss, the Dukes tied for first place with GW and St. Louis .  However, they will be seeded #3 for the tournament.  Their first game (quarterfinal) will be at 7 pm on Friday, March 4th.  If the Dukes win that game, their next game (semi-final) will be on Saturday at 1:30 pm.   
I think the team is wearing down because the staters have played too many minutes throughout the season. There are not enough dependable substitutes that Coach Dan feels comfortable playing extended minutes so he gives the starters minimal rest time on the bench.  It appears that this necessitated practice has taken its toll. 

If anything, I think the rest of the conference has caught up to us because Burt had to simplify the offense because we had so many freshmen, not because of the minutes played.  April's been inconsistent shooting all year.  A lot of the Duke's struggles this afternoon was the play of St Bona.  They're a top 50 team for a reason, and now finished 16-0 in the Reilly Center, one of the hardest places to play in the NCAA.

 

2/29/2016 11:33 am  #5


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

Creme per ESPN article has last four in as Villanova, Purdue, Auburn & Temple.   First four out are Duke, Bona, Minnesota & USC.   

The full bracket not to be released until tomorrow so expect DU  to remain an 8/9 seed. 

I think if they win the first round game and the other seeds hold they are in.   If they face a long shot team in the semis instead of SLU, you probably have to win that as well.

Last edited by duqkurt (2/29/2016 11:50 am)

 

2/29/2016 11:49 am  #6


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

Nice article Rogabee!

 

2/29/2016 12:27 pm  #7


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

Would likely be best if GW beats Bona in the semis. The Dukes have the best overall record in the league. I can see three teams getting in, but not 4. A Bona-SLU final might be trouble for us. Otherwise, we should be ok as long as we don't lose that first game. The computers have loved us all year, and that's an important part of the process.

If any of the four lose their first game, you can cross them off the list. If form holds, and you get Dukes-SLU, and GW-Bona, the two winners will punch their ticket, and the other two will be very nervous.

 

2/29/2016 2:22 pm  #8


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

Duquesne RPI stands at 23 after the loss.   No hit at all.   So I would have to agree with Rogabee.  Win the first round game and you are in.   

Doesn't matter what the other A10 schools do because no one on the bubble will pass them going into tourney with that high an RPI. 

If the Committee selects the best 64 after at large, regardless of conference affiliation.  The committee has said in the past that conference tournaments placement doesn't matter.  It is your overall record.   If they don't flip, they should get in with a first round win.

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2/29/2016 3:18 pm  #9


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

duqkurt wrote:

Duquesne RPI stands at 23 after the loss. No hit at all. So I would have to agree with Rogabee. Win the first round game and you are in.

Doesn't matter what the other A10 schools do because no one on the bubble will pass them going into tourney with that high an RPI.

If the Committee selects the best 64 after at large, regardless of conference affiliation. The committee has said in the past that conference tournaments placement doesn't matter. It is your overall record. If they don't flip, they should get in with a first round win.

It's fortunate that the Dukes' RPI dropped only to #23 today.  The AP Women's Poll released this afternoon no longer lists the Dukes on Others getting votes list: http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/rankings/_/poll/1/week/17/seasontype/2 

Last week's poll awarded the Dukes 3 points.  A win over the Bonnies on Sunday would most likely have resulted in the Dukes' being retained on the Others getting votes list.  I believe that the NCAA Tournament selection committee looks at RPI and the national women's polls in arriving at its decisions.  


 

Last edited by godukes1970 (2/29/2016 3:20 pm)

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2/29/2016 3:49 pm  #10


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

Polls, especially those voted by media are the most unreliable source of information in determining the field.  It would be nice to be mentioned, and I think the Dukes deserve to be included, but it won't keep them out of the tournament.

 

3/01/2016 12:12 pm  #11


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

If Charlie Creme of ESPN is right, I'll be a happy man. In today's Bracketology, he has the Dukes as a #7 seed, apparently as A-10 Champions. Go for it, ladies!

 

3/01/2016 1:19 pm  #12


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

scduke wrote:

If Charlie Creme of ESPN is right, I'll be a happy man. In today's Bracketology, he has the Dukes as a #7 seed, apparently as A-10 Champions. Go for it, ladies!

I think the seeding is more important than the projected A10 championship.   Even if they were to lose the first round game at this point, I can['t imagine them dropping out completely.   Pitt was an 8 seed last year going into the ACC tournament and lost to a horrible VA Tech in the first round and only dropped to a 10.  

I think that winning the first round game, makes DU a lock.  
Crème called Seton Hall a lock for the tournament and they are an 8 seed and face a 9-20 Butler team in the first round.   Seton Hall lost to St Johns twice.    So if Seton Hall is a lock, then a higher seeded DU has to be as well. 
 

Last edited by duqkurt (3/01/2016 2:51 pm)

 

3/01/2016 1:57 pm  #13


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

Not quite a 7.  Take a look at his procedural bumps.  He has the Dukes as an 8 but bumped to a 7.

The 8 may be a tad aggressive, and I'll probably have them as a 9ish (I'll do another one later tonight and hopefully have it up tomorrow).  That being said, I still think the Dukes have a high probability of a bid should they beat Fordham.

Seton Hall is a lock because of their one top 25 road win, four current top 50 wins, and no bad losses yet.  It's a resume that can stand a bad loss especially with wins over fellow bubble teams NC State and Rutgers.  DU's on the same seed line, but their seed is likely not as stable as SHU's given DU has only two top 50 wins.

 

3/01/2016 2:50 pm  #14


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

rogabee wrote:

Not quite a 7.  Take a look at his procedural bumps.  He has the Dukes as an 8 but bumped to a 7.

The 8 may be a tad aggressive, and I'll probably have them as a 9ish (I'll do another one later tonight and hopefully have it up tomorrow).  That being said, I still think the Dukes have a high probability of a bid should they beat Fordham.

Seton Hall is a lock because of their one top 25 road win, four current top 50 wins, and no bad losses yet.  It's a resume that can stand a bad loss especially with wins over fellow bubble teams NC State and Rutgers.  DU's on the same seed line, but their seed is likely not as stable as SHU's given DU has only two top 50 wins.

Thanks I missed that bump up.   I am revising my original post because I superstitious.  

 

3/01/2016 6:49 pm  #15


Re: Can Dukes recover from disappointing performance against the Bonnies?

duqkurt wrote:

Pitt was an 8 seed last year going into the ACC tournament and lost to a horrible VA Tech in the first round and only dropped to a 10.  
 

Different year, perhaps different results.  I just looked back at my bracketologies from last year and it's amazing how many teams all failed to take advantage of opportunities to put themselves in the field in March.  It was an unusual year from that regard, as normally there's more that take advantage.  Hopefully the Dukes will be one of them this year to not leave fans sweating Selection Monday.

 

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