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Hey new AD, show some integrity, fire Ferry, in all 4 years was never shown any coaching ability at this level. ASK your self, are we better off today than Ron's 5 years ??  Hell no !!  In fact Ferry makes Danny Nee look like a Hall of Fame Coach, yet somehow the new AD is, What? , paralyzed to do anything?? Here is a suggestion, SHOW some integrity, Fire the SOB, and use one of the assistant coaches as an interim.  Two reason, first, show some back-bone, that you are in-charge, that the mistakes, (and corruption)  before you got here do not prohibit your decisions, Second, and more important, sometimes, the Assistant coach is a great Head Coach waiting for his chance.  It's a win-win in this situation, the fan base is just plain gone if you do not act, and with an interim coach there is a free trial-period if he can't do it.  Think about it..    .   I think Duq81 has a point.  If Ferry flames out next year as he did this year, we can fire him.  If not, then he has proven us all wrong and Tarin Smith is a potential lottery pick.  If we fire a coach after only 4 years (I know that is normal) then I am afraid of the candidates that we have coming in.  We have to convince other coaches that they will have a chance to succeed here.  If Ferry is given 5 years, at least he can't say that he needed more time.  I think Duq81 has a point.  If Ferry flames out next year as he did this year, we can fire him.  If not, then he has proven us all wrong and Tarin Smith is a potential lottery pick.  If we fire a coach after only 4 years (I know that is normal) then I am afraid of the candidates that we have coming in.  We have to convince other coaches that they will have a chance to succeed here.  If Ferry is given 5 years, at least he can't say that he needed more time.  Simms, I've know you for a decent amount of time. If this is a shot at me, I get it. Just know I'm in the tax field and haven't seen hardly anything to comment on past mid-February. Why would Harper have been searching for a new coach when the Dukes were 15-7? You realize that the late year collapse makes it unlikely that a change will be made. As 81 mentioned you don't want to act now and put yourself in a desperate situation resulting in a bad hire. Duquesne has some promising players signed for next year, so it's probably not the time to make a change. It's hard to be patient, but sometimes that is the best course. You especially have to really do your homework if you're looking at assistants. Regardless of all of that, I want a guy in here who is known for having well coached teams. No more of this "exciting style of play" BS. We've told for 40 years that if we ran, ran, ran, recruits would flock to our door. It hasn't worked yet. Very true, I agree, we know we aren't going to bring in better talent than the other A-10 teams. We need to find players who can defend, rebound and have a better understanding of a team approach on offense. Why would Harper have been searching for a new coach when the Dukes were 15-7? You realize that the late year collapse makes it unlikely that a change will be made. As 81 mentioned you don't want to act now and put yourself in a desperate situation resulting in a bad hire. Duquesne has some promising players signed for next year, so it's probably not the time to make a change. It's hard to be patient, but sometimes that is the best course. You especially have to really do your homework if you're looking at assistants. Regardless of all of that, I want a guy in here who is known for having well coached teams. No more of this "exciting style of play" BS. We've told for 40 years that if we ran, ran, ran, recruits would flock to our door. It hasn't worked yet. Very true, I agree, we know we aren't going to bring in better talent than the other A-10 teams. We need to find players who can defend, rebound and have a better understanding of a team approach on offense. Bingo! Rick Majerus' teams at St. Louis weren't loaded, but the teams were well put together, and well coached. Go get players that fit your system, and then coach them into a well organized whole. Why would Harper have been searching for a new coach when the Dukes were 15-7? You realize that the late year collapse makes it unlikely that a change will be made. As 81 mentioned you don't want to act now and put yourself in a desperate situation resulting in a bad hire. Duquesne has some promising players signed for next year, so it's probably not the time to make a change. It's hard to be patient, but sometimes that is the best course. You especially have to really do your homework if you're looking at assistants. Regardless of all of that, I want a guy in here who is known for having well coached teams. No more of this "exciting style of play" BS. We've told for 40 years that if we ran, ran, ran, recruits would flock to our door. It hasn't worked yet. Very true, I agree, we know we aren't going to bring in better talent than the other A-10 teams. We need to find players who can defend, rebound and have a better understanding of a team approach on offense. No, Duquesne needs a coach, (like Ron) That can teach defense. When Ron was here we were in the top 10 in the country in steals, turnovers, and points off of turnovers. Now we are nearly last. Remember, you recruit offense but you have to teach defense.  Ferry will NEVER teach defense, because he just doesn't know how to teach anything!! Just constant excuses about the guy before him left him with so little??? REALLY, just the best 5 seasons since Red Manning??Hey, new AD, just fire the stupid A-hole!  , Very true, I agree, we know we aren't going to bring in better talent than the other A-10 teams. We need to find players who can defend, rebound and have a better understanding of a team approach on offense. No, Duquesne needs a coach, (like Ron) That can teach defense. When Ron was here we were in the top 10 in the country in steals, turnovers, and points off of turnovers. Now we are nearly last. Remember, you recruit offense but you have to teach defense.  Ferry will NEVER teach defense, because he just doesn't know how to teach anything!! Just constant excuses about the guy before him left him with so little??? REALLY, just the best 5 seasons since Red Manning??Hey, new AD, just fire the stupid A-hole!  , We were a gambling defense under Ron. That's not always great defense though. We gambled, and got a lot of points from our defense, but we also got lit up a lot. Gambling defenses tend to be feast or famine. When you miss getting steals, you tend to end up out of position. Teams that took care of the ball tended to give us trouble. I'd like to have a team that's fundamentally sound on defense, and keeps other teams from scoring. Steals, and such are a nice part, but rebounding, and holding teams to a low shooting percentage is better. Our weakness there is why we had competitive teams, but never came close to cracking the top 50, which is where good teams reside. Lack of size was probably the biggest reason why. Hard to defend the rim, and clean the boards when you have forwards trying to play center. We have size now, but Ferry seems clueless as to how to use it. Have to hope that having a real point guard will help some. I'd like to see us slow our pace, and work the ball inside. I won't be holding my breath. Very true, I agree, we know we aren't going to bring in better talent than the other A-10 teams. We need to find players who can defend, rebound and have a better understanding of a team approach on offense. No, Duquesne needs a coach, (like Ron) That can teach defense. When Ron was here we were in the top 10 in the country in steals, turnovers, and points off of turnovers. Now we are nearly last. Remember, you recruit offense but you have to teach defense.  Ferry will NEVER teach defense, because he just doesn't know how to teach anything!! Just constant excuses about the guy before him left him with so little??? REALLY, just the best 5 seasons since Red Manning??Hey, new AD, just fire the stupid A-hole!  , We were a gambling defense under Ron. That's not always great defense though. We gambled, and got a lot of points from our defense, but we also got lit up a lot. Gambling defenses tend to be feast or famine. When you miss getting steals, you tend to end up out of position. Teams that took care of the ball tended to give us trouble. I'd like to have a team that's fundamentally sound on defense, and keeps other teams from scoring. Steals, and such are a nice part, but rebounding, and holding teams to a low shooting percentage is better. Our weakness there is why we had competitive teams, but never came close to cracking the top 50, which is where good teams reside. Lack of size was probably the biggest reason why. Hard to defend the rim, and clean the boards when you have forwards trying to play center. We have size now, but Ferry seems clueless as to how to use it. Have to hope that having a real point guard will help some. I'd like to see us slow our pace, and work the ball inside. I won't be holding my breath. Does this somehow explain Ferry being here with near the bottom in D-1 defense?  I would agree,if Ferry is here next year, he had better use size, slow they pace, but better play some defense that involves pressure, I don't care to what level he is willing to go, just quit sitting back on our heals and taking it, just is not working. Ron's defense risked everything, and you can't match Ferry's record to Ron's for wins. Of the two style's, one seems to work way more often. By Ron's fourth year he was voted Coach of the year by the coaches he faced, Ferry will probable never be viewed that way. Last edited by NapaDuke (3/12/2016 1:37 am) No, Duquesne needs a coach, (like Ron) That can teach defense. When Ron was here we were in the top 10 in the country in steals, turnovers, and points off of turnovers. Now we are nearly last. Remember, you recruit offense but you have to teach defense.  Ferry will NEVER teach defense, because he just doesn't know how to teach anything!! Just constant excuses about the guy before him left him with so little??? REALLY, just the best 5 seasons since Red Manning??Hey, new AD, just fire the stupid A-hole!  , We were a gambling defense under Ron. That's not always great defense though. We gambled, and got a lot of points from our defense, but we also got lit up a lot. Gambling defenses tend to be feast or famine. When you miss getting steals, you tend to end up out of position. Teams that took care of the ball tended to give us trouble. I'd like to have a team that's fundamentally sound on defense, and keeps other teams from scoring. Steals, and such are a nice part, but rebounding, and holding teams to a low shooting percentage is better. Our weakness there is why we had competitive teams, but never came close to cracking the top 50, which is where good teams reside. Lack of size was probably the biggest reason why. Hard to defend the rim, and clean the boards when you have forwards trying to play center. We have size now, but Ferry seems clueless as to how to use it. Have to hope that having a real point guard will help some. I'd like to see us slow our pace, and work the ball inside. I won't be holding my breath. Does this somehow explain Ferry being here with near the bottom in D-1 defense?  I would agree,if Ferry is here next year, he had better use size, slow they pace, but better play some defense that involves pressure, I don't care to what level he is willing to go, just quit sitting back on our heals and taking it, just is not working. Ron's defense risked everything, and you can't match Ferry's record to Ron's for wins. Of the two style's, one seems to work way more often. By Ron's fourth year he was voted Coach of the year by the coaches he faced, Ferry will probable never be viewed that way. There is no doubt that Ron's style was way better than Ferry's, but I want us to be better than we were under Ron as well. Bona is trying to make their second trip to the NCAAs under Mark Schmidt. This is obviously miles beyond Ferry, but Ron's record doesn't match up to that either. Like I've always said, Ron shouldn't have been fired at the time he was, he deserved a few more years, but his seat should have been getting warm. I know we had the shooting, but Bona had a scandal that nearly destroyed their program. There is no reason why we can't do as well as Bona has done, no reason at all. DKurt, that thud you heard was the hammer hitting the nail on the head!!! Does anyone even think it makes sense to mass email Harper on this debacle?? Just interested to see what kind of response we'd get - as opposed to excuses. I know Tejas said he spoke to him on another thread and expanded on the substance of the conversation - within confidential boundaries. I'd love to hear the justification/rationalization for the whiff on this season by Ferry - and Harper should know we are not falling for the Kobe/JJones bullshi..... Just read the comments to today's PG article; Gus Costa (DU Alum) called it out perfectly - as did the others who posted comments there. Hopefully Harper realizes that we don't give a crap about March Madness at the Consol, or anything else that benefits Pens ownership and those affiliated with them (we have them on the Bluff), we just want something that makes us proud to be DU alums - a winning bball program!!!!     It's hard to be patient, but sometimes that is the best course. You especially have to really do your homework if you're looking at assistants. Regardless of all of that, I want a guy in here who is known for having well coached teams. No more of this "exciting style of play" BS. We've told for 40 years that if we ran, ran, ran, recruits would flock to our door. It hasn't worked yet. Very true, I agree, we know we aren't going to bring in better talent than the other A-10 teams. We need to find players who can defend, rebound and have a better understanding of a team approach on offense. Bingo! Rick Majerus' teams at St. Louis weren't loaded, but the teams were well put together, and well coached. Go get players that fit your system, and then coach them into a well organized whole. I saw where Fordham is playing Boston U. in the C.I.T. OOPS didn't see this was in another thread Last edited by WashPaRick (3/12/2016 2:38 pm) We were a gambling defense under Ron. That's not always great defense though. We gambled, and got a lot of points from our defense, but we also got lit up a lot. Gambling defenses tend to be feast or famine. When you miss getting steals, you tend to end up out of position. Teams that took care of the ball tended to give us trouble. I'd like to have a team that's fundamentally sound on defense, and keeps other teams from scoring. Steals, and such are a nice part, but rebounding, and holding teams to a low shooting percentage is better. Our weakness there is why we had competitive teams, but never came close to cracking the top 50, which is where good teams reside. Lack of size was probably the biggest reason why. Hard to defend the rim, and clean the boards when you have forwards trying to play center. We have size now, but Ferry seems clueless as to how to use it. Have to hope that having a real point guard will help some. I'd like to see us slow our pace, and work the ball inside. I won't be holding my breath. Does this somehow explain Ferry being here with near the bottom in D-1 defense?  I would agree,if Ferry is here next year, he had better use size, slow they pace, but better play some defense that involves pressure, I don't care to what level he is willing to go, just quit sitting back on our heals and taking it, just is not working. Ron's defense risked everything, and you can't match Ferry's record to Ron's for wins. Of the two style's, one seems to work way more often. By Ron's fourth year he was voted Coach of the year by the coaches he faced, Ferry will probable never be viewed that way. There is no doubt that Ron's style was way better than Ferry's, but I want us to be better than we were under Ron as well. Bona is trying to make their second trip to the NCAAs under Mark Schmidt. This is obviously miles beyond Ferry, but Ron's record doesn't match up to that either. Like I've always said, Ron shouldn't have been fired at the time he was, he deserved a few more years, but his seat should have been getting warm. I know we had the shooting, but Bona had a scandal that nearly destroyed their program. There is no reason why we can't do as well as Bona has done, no reason at all.  first let me say i think there are too many college football bowl games and basketball tournaments. i don't think 6-6 and 5-7 football teams and .500 basketball teams with below 500 records should play in postseason. HEELS: I think Duq81 has a point.  If Ferry flames out next year as he did this year, we can fire him.  If not, then he has proven us all wrong and Tarin Smith is a potential lottery pick.  If we fire a coach after only 4 years (I know that is normal) then I am afraid of the candidates that we have coming in.  We have to convince other coaches that they will have a chance to succeed here.  If Ferry is given 5 years, at least he can't say that he needed more time.  Simms, I've know you for a decent amount of time. If this is a shot at me, I get it. Just know I'm in the tax field and haven't seen hardly anything to comment on past mid-February. Not an attack on you Web as I know your passion for the team and how much you know about hoops. It was  more so a frustration with everyone on the board who is either all positive or all negative. I do think you were overly positive this season, but there were many like you.  I also think there are many who are overly negative and can't wait for the team to lost.  I believe posters need to reflect as the games go on.  I was super positive when we were 15-7 and couldn't wait to watch more games.  Now I feel terrible after the collapse.  Ron's teams collapsed a lot at the end of the season and Ferry had always shown improvement, so I was utterly shocked by the team's end of the year performance.  I think people need to be more objective.  I also don't think giving Ferry one more year is the end of the world, although deep down in my heart I'd like to see someone new.Â
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Also, dear lord does it suck that Dougherty gave an extension to a coach who had never won. Â WTF was he thinking? Â
One other thing, where are the posters who were ramming down the positive stats and claiming things were turned around midseason? Â I will fully admit that I my fandom is like a wave, moving up and down with the flow of wins and losses. Â I try to post objectively regardless of the results in the season. Â Why do we have posters who only post when the team wins, and those who only post when we lose? Â It's annoying.
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Simms wrote:
Also, dear lord does it suck that Dougherty gave an extension to a coach who had never won. Â WTF was he thinking? Â
One other thing, where are the posters who were ramming down the positive stats and claiming things were turned around midseason? Â I will fully admit that I my fandom is like a wave, moving up and down with the flow of wins and losses. Â I try to post objectively regardless of the results in the season. Â Why do we have posters who only post when the team wins, and those who only post when we lose? Â It's annoying.
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I'm certainly not thrilled about seeing this team in the CBI. I can't imagine the dreck that's going to be in it.
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NapaDuke wrote:levon1975 wrote:duq81 wrote:
It's hard to be patient, but sometimes that is the best course. You especially have to really do your homework if you're looking at assistants. Regardless of all of that, I want a guy in here who is known for having well coached teams. No more of this "exciting style of play" BS. We've told for 40 years that if we ran, ran, ran, recruits would flock to our door. It hasn't worked yet.
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Duquesne does March Madness better then any other university. Makes sense to me Mario gets parking, concessions tickets....Duquesne gets crumbs. First dibs on purchase of ticket package goes to Penguin season ticket holders....Pitt season ticket holders then to the faithful 800 Duquesne fans left. This makes perfect sense to me. After all under each hoop is plastered PITTSBURGH or is that PITT? Then next in the corner or locker room exit is DUQUESNE or that horrible Logo "Jack The Ripper" thanks to The Quinipiac Clown in the corner. This is a great deal for Duquesne what 3% of Marios gross earning over the four sessions? Conflict of Interest my friend 🙈🙈🙈🙈
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duq81 wrote:levon1975 wrote:duq81 wrote:
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I'm certainly not thrilled about seeing this team in the CBI. I can't imagine the dreck that's going to be in it.
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Here is a reason:
Bona has a fan base, Bona has a winning tradition that we lost 40 years ago, Bona has had better coaching, Bona has better players. But other than that, Duquesne and Bona are equal........
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with that said, i have no problem if dukes accept a bid to cbi(doubt i will watch)
if it accomplishes several things:
1. gets mason more exposure for agents and foreign scouts
2. ferry uses extra practice time to really work with young guys(you hear football coaches say all the time that the extra practice time is valuable for the young guys)
3. ferry incorporates young's guys in to game plan and gets them more PT. would like to see extended time for sanders steel, etc; heck he could even march out steel castro jackson sanders and robinson at same time, give them a 4 minute spell and see what they can do.
i think I'm the only one to have this opinion. feel free to burn me on it!
(cause honestly, i could see ferry running dc and mason out there for 40minutes and who the hell knows what they work on practice other than dribbling and shooting 3s as they certainly don't work on defense)
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The game would probably be in a few days - Â The "extra practice time" would not really be positive - Â If the team took a vote - bet the Vast Majority would say NO.
Your LAST sentence/paragraph is 98% accurate and what WOULD happen>
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WEB wrote:Simms wrote:
Also, dear lord does it suck that Dougherty gave an extension to a coach who had never won. Â WTF was he thinking? Â
One other thing, where are the posters who were ramming down the positive stats and claiming things were turned around midseason? Â I will fully admit that I my fandom is like a wave, moving up and down with the flow of wins and losses. Â I try to post objectively regardless of the results in the season. Â Why do we have posters who only post when the team wins, and those who only post when we lose? Â It's annoying.
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