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3/12/2016 2:11 pm  #1


Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

From Craig Meyer at the PG.  Note that this article states that Ferry only has 2 years remaining on his contract.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/duquesne/2016/03/12/Jim-Ferry-to-return-as-Duquesne-men-s-basketball-coach/stories/201603120119

 

3/12/2016 4:50 pm  #2


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

Phoenix thanks for the link.  It clears up the question I had on how many years are left on Ferry's contract. I thought he had three years left.  Still not sure the PG is correct.

I am still trying to absorb the LaSalle loss.  When I look at the stats for the three returning starters James (3 points), Lewis (ZERO points), and Gill (8 points), and then look at the 4 returning scholarship bench player  (Jackson 10, Steel 0, Sanders 3, Robinson 0) that is a grand total of only 24  paltry points.  I know this is not representative of their potential but it really dims my hope for next year, which my biggest disappointment from that game.  

 

Last edited by CLK (3/12/2016 4:51 pm)

 

3/12/2016 4:58 pm  #3


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

CLK I regret that Meyer lost a year in the math. Ferry signed a six year contract and was awarded the one year extension. I also believe at some point it was written that he is signed through 2019.

 

3/12/2016 5:14 pm  #4


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

CLK wrote:

Phoenix thanks for the link.  It clears up the question I had on how many years are left on Ferry's contract. I thought he had three years left.  Still not sure the PG is correct.I am still trying to absorb the LaSalle loss.  When I look at the stats for the three returning starters James (3 points), Lewis (ZERO points), and Gill (8 points), and then look at the 4 returning scholarship bench player  (Jackson 10, Steel 0, Sanders 3, Robinson 0) that is a grand total of only 24  paltry points.  I know this is not representative of their potential but it really dims my hope for next year, which my biggest disappointment from that game.  


Not far off IF there is a Ferry option for another year, meaning DU buys out his last year plus the agreed upon option.  
What is even more disconcerting re Gill and James is ability of a dead last A-10 coach to make  Defensive adjustments v DU which absolutely throttle 2 solid Dukes, something generally lacking from a DU coach's ability the past 4 years. Credit where credit due - Nice job Dr G (LaSalle). 




 

 

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3/12/2016 5:27 pm  #5


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

i think we all knew he wasn't going to get canned this year.

def nervous about next year as i don't think the freshman will make major impact and i don't think one player can be that big of a difference

we were all super pumped for ovie, and he was surrounded by domo, micah, dc and jones; look how that went..
smith will be surrounded by steel, james, gill, and lewis..

 

 

3/12/2016 6:23 pm  #6


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

Travis Ford has three years remaining on his contract that Oklahoma State has to pay him 2.4 million annually less what he earns from his next coaching contract. In essence the Dukes could pay him a 100,000 a year for three years and Travis would be paid 2.4 of which Oklahoma State pays 2.3. The Dukes could then buy out Ferry's contract and get a major upgrade for only an additional 100,000 a year. Now if Ford does well, then they better get ready to pony up some cash.

I warned all you followers early on that the early schedule was terrible and that Ferry would be out coached once he started to play a 10 schedule.

Now let's see if this new ad has the imagination I have in order to get a good new coach. Been following the Dukes for 45 years but gave up my season tickets 30 years ago when I seen who they chose to coach and what players they recruited.

 

3/12/2016 10:01 pm  #7


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

Craig Meyer tweeted that he was told by the AD the contract expires at the end of the 2017/18 season.

 

3/12/2016 11:46 pm  #8


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

Wildwood13 wrote:

Travis Ford has three years remaining on his contract that Oklahoma State has to pay him 2.4 million annually less what he earns from his next coaching contract. In essence the Dukes could pay him a 100,000 a year for three years and Travis would be paid 2.4 of which Oklahoma State pays 2.3. The Dukes could then buy out Ferry's contract and get a major upgrade for only an additional 100,000 a year. Now if Ford does well, then they better get ready to pony up some cash.

I warned all you followers early on that the early schedule was terrible and that Ferry would be out coached once he started to play a 10 schedule.

Now let's see if this new ad has the imagination I have in order to get a good new coach. Been following the Dukes for 45 years but gave up my season tickets 30 years ago when I seen who they chose to coach and what players they recruited.

The AD doesn't have the authority to fire the coach. The president has to do it.
 

 

3/13/2016 7:21 am  #9


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

It really is not that hard. All the ad has to do and say it is with my recommendation to move in another direction at this time.  He did not hire Ferry

 

3/13/2016 10:07 am  #10


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

Jim Ferry was hired to replace Ron Everhart at Duquesne on Tuesday.

A source close to the negotiations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because terms were not released, told The Associated Press that Ferry agreed to a seven-year deal with an annual base salary of $600,000.

Ferry replaces Everhart, who was fired last month after six seasons at the Pittsburgh private school.

Ferry coached LIU Brooklyn to consecutive Northeastern Conference titles and NCAA tournament appearances. Ferry arrived at LIU in 2002.

The Blackbirds finished the season 25-9, 16-2 in the NEC, and lost to West Regional top seed Michigan State in the opening round in Columbus.

"Jim Ferry has been a winner at every level," Duquesne athletic director Greg Amodio said. "Through a combination of hard work, strong character and outstanding leadership, he experienced unprecedented success at LIU. I look forward to him using those same qualities to make his mark on the Duquesne basketball program. He is an aggressive recruiter whose teams are known for tough, physical play.

"Jim is the right fit for Duquesne right now."

The paragraphs above are taken from a Andy Katz report on the ESPN website in April of 2012. Note the 7 years.

Something doesn't add up.

Last edited by The Dome (3/13/2016 10:08 am)

 

3/13/2016 4:19 pm  #11


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

Dome, I trust the current reports in both the Trib and PG that there are 2 years left on the contract.  These were stated as coming from the AD; Katz' report was a "source close to the negotiation" - which was apparently off on both the length and value of the contract.  It was a 5 year contract with an additional year added automatically if the AD left. 

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3/13/2016 4:49 pm  #12


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

THANKS. Only at Duquesne could a perfect storm be created in which we have a new AD overseeing a coach he didn't hire who is horribly underperforming and to further have his hands tied by a lame duck president.

 

3/14/2016 5:25 am  #13


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

With the exception of the President - the Basketball Coach is the most visible person on campus at Duquesne.  When there is a new President (and/or a new Athletic Director) they might want "their guy" in that position - even terminate a moderately successful one - who might not be what they are looking for.

Mr. Gormley does not take office until July 1 -  Although this will be a different situation  because he was NOT brought in from the outside -  For what it is worth he WAS at the Lady Dukes last home game - DID shake hands with Coach Burt and the staff and communicate a little - so he DOES have some interest in the athletic programs.

I expect Mr. Harper to evaluate Mr. Ferry's 4 (will be five after next year) tenure as a whole at the Bluff and make a decision at the end of next season -  IF the team is improving etc. he will probably be kept on -  IF the team is struggling - I doubt Mr. Harper will accept an excuse along the lines of "we were inexperienced this year but things are getting better"  In fact given the comment I made above - it is possible that even if the team is BETTER than we (and or Ferry) expect - a coaching change might be made.

 

3/16/2016 12:29 pm  #14


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

Dome, I trust the current reports in both the Trib and PG that there are 2 years left on the contract.  These were stated as coming from the AD; Katz' report was a "source close to the negotiation" - which was apparently off on both the length and value of the contract.  It was a 5 year contract with an additional year added automatically if the AD left. 

I guess I should not have trusted that he resent published reports. In today's story, Craig Meyer published a "correction" saying now that Ferry has 3 years remaining on his contract. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/duquesne/2016/03/16/Duquesne-men-s-basketball-appearance-in-CBI-comes-at-a-price/stories/201603160086

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3/16/2016 1:02 pm  #15


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

Thanks Phoenix.  I thought he was wrong about that.  My guess is that unless Ferry has a Danny Nee type season next year Duquesne will give him his 6th year to get to the top part of the A10 and a major tournament where DU gets a pay day.  I just don't see DU buying out two years.  BTW Ferry needs to thank the DU Women's team for providing the funding for the CBI.   

 

3/16/2016 3:16 pm  #16


Re: Jim Ferry to return as Duquesne men's basketball coach

CLK wrote:

Thanks Phoenix.  I thought he was wrong about that.  My guess is that unless Ferry has a Danny Nee type season next year Duquesne will give him his 6th year to get to the top part of the A10 and a major tournament where DU gets a pay day.  I just don't see DU buying out two years.  BTW Ferry needs to thank the DU Women's team for providing the funding for the CBI.   

I don't think the bar will be really high next year, but I don't see Ferry surviving another losing season. I don't think it will take a Nee disaster for them to buy him out. How the season unfolds will be important as well. Look at the difference between Ron's third, and fifth years. The Dukes were 18-11 in the regular season both times, but the 2011 team was 10-6 in A 10 play, versus 9-7 for the 2009 team. Yet, we were all overjoyed with the results in 2009, while most were quite disappointed when the 2011 season was over; some to the point that they turned on Ron, and came to the conclusion that he wasn't the man to get us to the "next level". What was the difference? The difference was how the team played down the stretch. The 2009 team enjoyed a stretch where they won 6 of 8 games, on their way to the A 10 Championship Game. They finished with 2 losses, but were competitive against teams that were solid favorites over them. Contrast that with 2011, where the team lost 8 of their last 11 games, including a disastrous loss to a 20 loss SJU team in Atlantic City. Considering how high we were during the 11 game win streak, the collapse basically sucked all the air out of the program.  What happened this year is even worse, because Ferry doesn't have the past success to fall back on that Ron did. 15-7 isn't quite as good as we were in 2011, but optimism was running pretty high. The collapse was even more complete this time. This is why there is such anger on the board. The reason I brought all of that up is to show how important the later part of the season is. It is always better to play your best ball late, as opposed to early. If the team plays like crap down the stretch next year, Ferry will be gone, even if he posts a winning record overall.
 

 

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