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Think your all missing the point that LG had a really good shooting performance against VCU in a game down their a year or so ago. Shaka has plenty of wide bodies and size he may be looking for a spot shooter in limited minutes. LG could fill a role similar to what Ryan Luther offered to Pitt this year. Last edited by The Dome (4/07/2016 4:40 pm) Think your all missing the point that LG had a really good shooting performance against VCU in a game down their a year or so ago. Shaka has plenty of wide bodies and size he may be looking for a spot shooter in limited minutes. LG could fill a role similar to what Ryan Luther offered to Pitt this year. I think your right, if he goes there he'll be in a very limited, specialized role. I also thought about that, Virginia kid ex vcu coach, and he did always play very well down there. Think your all missing the point that LG had a really good shooting performance against VCU in a game down their a year or so ago. Shaka has plenty of wide bodies and size he may be looking for a spot shooter in limited minutes. LG could fill a role similar to what Ryan Luther offered to Pitt this year. How bout Micah 4 shooting coach? Think your all missing the point that LG had a really good shooting performance against VCU in a game down their a year or so ago. Shaka has plenty of wide bodies and size he may be looking for a spot shooter in limited minutes. LG could fill a role similar to what Ryan Luther offered to Pitt this year. How bout Micah 4 shooting coach? The money you could make as a shooting coach at a school like Duquesne would be peanuts, especially compared to what he'll make overseas Think your all missing the point that LG had a really good shooting performance against VCU in a game down their a year or so ago. Shaka has plenty of wide bodies and size he may be looking for a spot shooter in limited minutes. LG could fill a role similar to what Ryan Luther offered to Pitt this year. How bout Micah 4 shooting coach? The money you could make as a shooting coach at a school like Duquesne would be peanuts, especially compared to what he'll make overseas If Bernie gets elected he'll be making at least $15 an hour. The money you could make as a shooting coach at a school like Duquesne would be peanuts, especially compared to what he'll make overseas If Bernie gets elected he'll be making at least $15 an hour. Haha and free healthcare, graduate school, and a bag of weed The money you could make as a shooting coach at a school like Duquesne would be peanuts, especially compared to what he'll make overseas If Bernie gets elected he'll be making at least $15 an hour. Haha and free healthcare, graduate school, and a bag of weed Make Duquesne basketball great again! He'd get more as a professional protestor. Duq81, I think your analysis is missing a couple of things. Ron's DU record might not be good enough to keep a job in a power conference, certainly, but Ron would have had the support of his AD and greater resources at one of those schools. The latter certainly is an advantage, but without the former you can't be expected to be successful. Ron may have actually overachieved here, and if the shootings had never happened, his first class may have been a greater catalyst for success. . As for the schedule, outside of the locals, none of those teams you mentioned would ever make a trip here. We can play a game or two on the road, but the league wants all teams to schedule to get wins, and forbidd more than one buy game per team. You may get Gonzaga, but it could be a 2 for 1 show. We get one, they get us there 2. Real big schools pay you to come there and get whopped, but sometimes the exposure and experience for your young team is worth both. besides the money.. Keep in mind who the coach is, and where he came from. While I'd be shocked if Gill went there and lit it up, it's not rare for a guy who failed as a main cog, to be effective somewhere else as a spear carrier. A lot would depend on what Texas' roster looks like, and what they expect Gill to do. Maybe Shaka can force him to stay in the paint. He's not a bad rebounder after all. Maybe they're just looking for a big body to hit the boards. He can do that if he's willing to alter his game. If not, he'll be on the bench. Grad transfers are low risk because they usually take a spot that was either going to be left open, or go to a project of some kind. If your team's Big gets into early foul trouble and no one on the bench with size or experience, then Gill is looking pretty good at that moment. It's a matter of need and Gill wasn't all that bad this year and can improve over the summer just a bit. Still he's probably getting a few looks for his size and experience. This is the best discussion thread that I have seen here in many a moon. Napa's comment concerning a search committee is a great idea. But don't call it a search committee. Call it a process improvement committee with metrics. After my many years at PNC I am pretty familiar with process improvement committees. We actually had process improvement committees overseeing other process improvement committees. In any case it's a dynamite idea. You are targeting an up and coming assistant at a successful D1 school. Guaranteed they have been immersed in statistical analysis of every facet of the game. It's a sign of the times. Every NBA team has a stats department. It takes brains to implement, though, to translate those stats into game preparation. Hell, you could even incorporate it into the recruiting process. Break down a recruits junior and senior year performance metrics to match your system (once we have one). I'm on a role here. Once this is in place when you interview that super assistant you just blow him away with the processes ALREADY in place. He's not starting from ground zero. And, you already have a select group to help the AD evaluate the candidates. I hope Father Hogan isn't still in the mix. My two cents for what it's worth. I like the idea of looking for ball players this way too. See, Money ball, which is a story of Oakland A's GM Billie Beam taking a statisical breakdown of under rated traits of ball players overlooked by most Major League teams in the draft and finding those players and winning with over looked players on the cheep. If we have that statistical element of looking over all HS players with certain traits that have shown to develop, then we might be better at recruiting late bloomers, with a better percentage of them developing. For instance, HS players that are first off the bench into games for example, they tend to be talented enough to play but underdeveloped at there senior year, they tend to be determined, more acceptable to being coached to improve, better attitude, and are definitely under recruited. This is just one example of what a committee could be looking for plus find many other traits of a winning team player, instead of recruiting self-centered ball-hogs that are the star in HS or Prep-school and get here and leave in a year. It's not everything, but it might land some winners more often for trying. Keep in mind who the coach is, and where he came from. While I'd be shocked if Gill went there and lit it up, it's not rare for a guy who failed as a main cog, to be effective somewhere else as a spear carrier. A lot would depend on what Texas' roster looks like, and what they expect Gill to do. Maybe Shaka can force him to stay in the paint. He's not a bad rebounder after all. Maybe they're just looking for a big body to hit the boards. He can do that if he's willing to alter his game. If not, he'll be on the bench. Grad transfers are low risk because they usually take a spot that was either going to be left open, or go to a project of some kind. If your team's Big gets into early foul trouble and no one on the bench with size or experience, then Gill is looking pretty good at that moment. It's a matter of need and Gill wasn't all that bad this year and can improve over the summer just a bit. Still he's probably getting a few looks for his size and experience. That's it. A big school that still has a scholarship or two, might decide to hold it for the fall, rather than give it to a high school kid that really isn't good enough. Rather than let the spot sit empty till the fall recruit arrives the following year, why not bring in a grad transfer to fill it for one year? Extra body for practice, and maybe he can fill a need. Looking at it the other way, if the Dukes can't land 2 kids who can really play at this level, wouldn't it be better not to sign a scrub, and instead bring in a grad transfer? Any grad transfer is either going to be a decent player at the very low major level, or a player who is buried on the depth chart of a good squad. Still doesn't fit a reasonable definition of "building a program." Ferry will insert the more experienced newcomers into the starting lineup to try to win this season, possibly at the expense of one of the underclassmen. I don't think he knows HOW to substitute players. The one year rentals will play 38 minutes a game and next season you'll have more kids bailing out. At this point, do we care if Gill ends up at Arizona? Haha and free healthcare, graduate school, and a bag of weed Make Duquesne basketball great again! We could all contribute $27. Still doesn't fit a reasonable definition of "building a program." Ferry will insert the more experienced newcomers into the starting lineup to try to win this season, possibly at the expense of one of the underclassmen. I don't think he knows HOW to substitute players. The one year rentals will play 38 minutes a game and next season you'll have more kids bailing out. One of Ferry's biggest mistakes was his sub pattern that never varied much. We go big early than sit bigs 2 min into the second half for the "2 shooting guard show" the rest of the way, every f-ing game! Even the opponent's commentators would mention this pattern on the broadcast? If you are that predictable, maybe you don't really have a clue about game time adjustments? Exactly. Like he doesn't know what's going on during the game. Exactly. Like he doesn't know what's going on during the game. I watched nearly, every game this season, And in games that even when the 2 Big's were NOT in foul trouble, both sat the most of the second half of the game, but it got even worse in the last 8 games of the season? Anyone with statistical analysis of this team would have shown that with the Bigs in the game, this team out performed their opponents, JUST flat- out!!! No reason to vary, RIGHT?? Look at the CBI game , as an example, against Omaha . Just plain crazy!!! First half, points in the paint Dukes-29 Omaha 12 ??? Up by 20 at the half, Don't change a thing, right??? Omaha doesn't change?? FERRY decides to BENCH the BIGS, and run with a running team?? Why?? to pump the numbers of his 2 seniors? Why because the season is in the dumpster and his BS shinning Stars need the points. It wasn't about winning (for Ferry) at that point. It was about his resume down the line. Ferry didn't care about winning, (or he is just plain dumb) Omaha could not match our Bigs on the court in the first half at all? And no REAL D-1 coach could have possible not seen that?? Then why did Ferry drop what was working to go to the 2 guard circus again?? IT'S called, self-interest, self-preservation. Think Ferry cares for "Old DU" ?? Hell no !! But Ferry do the right thing?? NO ! Keep him another year?? Didn't give Ron that respect and he did everything for DU, Ferry has not done anything, but we keep him to prove we are not as bad as how we treated Ron?? Shows no integrity to treat Ferry any different than Ron? Ferry's record doesn't match Ron's last year, and he said "he is turning the corner? Ron did better than we can expect Ferry in the next decade, but Ferry gets a extra year? It's not by his performance, it's the incompetence of Amodio and the burden of the bucks, not that Ferry can coach, (he can't), but next year Ferry will be here and the all time low for Duquesne Basketball. From Ron till now, Ferry has taken us back below Danny Nee years. Exactly. Like he doesn't know what's going on during the game. I watched nearly, every game this season, And in games that even when the 2 Big's were NOT in foul trouble, both sat the most of the second half of the game, but it got even worse in the last 8 games of the season? Anyone with statistical analysis of this team would have shown that with the Bigs in the game, this team out performed their opponents, JUST flat- out!!! No reason to vary, RIGHT?? Look at the CBI game , as an example, against Omaha . Just plain crazy!!! First half, points in the paint Dukes-29 Omaha 12 ??? Up by 20 at the half, Don't change a thing, right??? Omaha doesn't change?? FERRY decides to BENCH the BIGS, and run with a running team?? Why?? to pump the numbers of his 2 seniors? Why because the season is in the dumpster and his BS shinning Stars need the points. It wasn't about winning (for Ferry) at that point. It was about his resume down the line. Ferry didn't care about winning, (or he is just plain dumb) Omaha could not match our Bigs on the court in the first half at all? And no REAL D-1 coach could have possible not seen that?? Then why did Ferry drop what was working to go to the 2 guard circus again?? IT'S called, self-interest, self-preservation. Think Ferry cares for "Old DU" ?? Hell no !! But Ferry do the right thing?? NO ! Keep him another year?? Didn't give Ron that respect and he did everything for DU, Ferry has not done anything, but we keep him to prove we are not as bad as how we treated Ron?? Shows no integrity to treat Ferry any different than Ron? Ferry's record doesn't match Ron's last year, and he said "he is turning the corner? Ron did better than we can expect Ferry in the next decade, but Ferry gets a extra year? It's not by his performance, it's the incompetence of Amodio and the burden of the bucks, not that Ferry can coach, (he can't), but next year Ferry will be here and the all time low for Duquesne Basketball. From Ron till now, Ferry has taken us back below Danny Nee years. I hope I didn't over do it in my total discuss of 4 years of this " Higher-Level" because we canned a very decent coach to get to this "higher level". And most of the Basketball world knows it, Next year is ugly, and full of Ferry tales of Brick -by Brick approach in a league Ferry has no clue of how to compete in. Sorry for the rant,but it just felt good. Exactly. Like he doesn't know what's going on during the game. I watched nearly, every game this season, And in games that even when the 2 Big's were NOT in foul trouble, both sat the most of the second half of the game, but it got even worse in the last 8 games of the season? Anyone with statistical analysis of this team would have shown that with the Bigs in the game, this team out performed their opponents, JUST flat- out!!! No reason to vary, RIGHT?? Look at the CBI game , as an example, against Omaha . Just plain crazy!!! First half, points in the paint Dukes-29 Omaha 12 ??? Up by 20 at the half, Don't change a thing, right??? Omaha doesn't change?? FERRY decides to BENCH the BIGS, and run with a running team?? Why?? to pump the numbers of his 2 seniors? Why because the season is in the dumpster and his BS shinning Stars need the points. It wasn't about winning (for Ferry) at that point. It was about his resume down the line. Ferry didn't care about winning, (or he is just plain dumb) Omaha could not match our Bigs on the court in the first half at all? And no REAL D-1 coach could have possible not seen that?? Then why did Ferry drop what was working to go to the 2 guard circus again?? IT'S called, self-interest, self-preservation. Think Ferry cares for "Old DU" ?? Hell no !! But Ferry do the right thing?? NO ! Keep him another year?? Didn't give Ron that respect and he did everything for DU, Ferry has not done anything, but we keep him to prove we are not as bad as how we treated Ron?? Shows no integrity to treat Ferry any different than Ron? Ferry's record doesn't match Ron's last year, and he said "he is turning the corner? Ron did better than we can expect Ferry in the next decade, but Ferry gets a extra year? It's not by his performance, it's the incompetence of Amodio and the burden of the bucks, not that Ferry can coach, (he can't), but next year Ferry will be here and the all time low for Duquesne Basketball. From Ron till now, Ferry has taken us back below Danny Nee years. I hope I didn't over do it in my total discuss of 4 years of this " Higher-Level" because we canned a very decent coach to get to this "higher level". And most of the Basketball world knows it, Next year is ugly, and full of Ferry tales of Brick -by Brick approach in a league Ferry has no clue of how to compete in. Sorry for the rant,but it just felt good. You overdid it when you said Ferry has taken us below the Nee years. You can make a good argument about Ferry's failures, but when you insert a dumb statement into it, it makes people ignore your good points. You do realize that for all his shortcomings, Ferry won 14 more games than Nee did his last year, and that was a season where the A10 was pathetic, getting only 2 bids. The end of the Nee era was the nadir for Duquesne, even worse than Scott Edgar, or DAP. You are right 81. not as bad as Nee. Oddly, I'm mad because Ferry's teams all year could have played better if he had stuck to the bigger style of half-court play that he started every game and he had an edge over most teams playing half-court with the bigs in there that he seemed to walk away from in the second half every game? I'm just mad that he didn't because the stats show he would have won probably 4 or more games. It's just a bit mind numbing. The RM game was a blueprint for the Dukes this year but it was RM trying to slow us down that caused the Dukes to play half-court more than Ferry's plan to do so. Now he doesn't have 2 or those players and it just makes me feel like next year is not getting any better. You know, just me ranting here a bit, that's all. Impessive take on Omaha game - always enjoyable to come here and learn. I think Edgar was trying a quick fix and it failed. You are right 81. not as bad as Nee. Oddly, I'm mad because Ferry's teams all year could have played better if he had stuck to the bigger style of half-court play that he started every game and he had an edge over most teams playing half-court with the bigs in there that he seemed to walk away from in the second half every game? I'm just mad that he didn't because the stats show he would have won probably 4 or more games. It's just a bit mind numbing. The RM game was a blueprint for the Dukes this year but it was RM trying to slow us down that caused the Dukes to play half-court more than Ferry's plan to do so. Now he doesn't have 2 or those players and it just makes me feel like next year is not getting any better. You know, just me ranting here a bit, that's all. You know I can't argue with any of that. All things being equal, I love having some size. The one thing that I didn't like about Ron was that he too, didn't seem to think size was important. Damian Saunders could have done so much more if he hadn't basically been forced to play the 5. John Carroll went out and got a stiff to play in the middle, so that Alston could move to the 4. The result was that Alston had a dominant senior season. I want to see the four bigs get plenty of minutes next year. If they do, we'll be better than we expect. If it's guards chucking threes, we'll be discussing our new coach this time next year. Hey, Ricky Lopes went on to become a Harlem Wizard! Yeah, I wanted Ron to stick a tall kid or even a 6-6 wide body in the middle between Saunders and Clark. Even Rice used Atkins and then Joey Meyers in the post, when Bruce was better suited as a 4 and Joey as a 3/4.
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Shaka may feel he can work on that shot and help refine it. I never understood why the Dukes haven't looked into a shooting coach look at what happened to Buddy Heild.
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Shaka may feel he can work on that shot and help refine it. I never understood why the Dukes haven't looked into a shooting coach look at what happened to Buddy Heild.
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Shaka may feel he can work on that shot and help refine it. I never understood why the Dukes haven't looked into a shooting coach look at what happened to Buddy Heild.
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WashPaRick wrote:The Dome wrote:
Shaka may feel he can work on that shot and help refine it. I never understood why the Dukes haven't looked into a shooting coach look at what happened to Buddy Heild.
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Duques102 wrote:WashPaRick wrote:The Dome wrote:
Shaka may feel he can work on that shot and help refine it. I never understood why the Dukes haven't looked into a shooting coach look at what happened to Buddy Heild.
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WashPaRick wrote:Duques102 wrote:WashPaRick wrote:
How bout Micah 4 shooting coach?
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The point many miss about Gill is what many have described as my "criticism" of him. LG has the body of an NBA power forward. Ferry's been playing him like a two. While I understand he's not a back to the basket player, he could, with coaching, be better facing the basket by shaving 10 feet off his game. The more time he spends around/in the paint, the better he can be. Watch, if he ends up at Texas, Shaka will get something big out of his talent.
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That's why as much as I find the Ferry era to be cringeworthy, I'm glad Dave Harper has his back. I think if Ferry has any chance to be successful, that's what it's going to take.
As for Hilltopper's thoughts on Nash, my answer is he's here now and it isn't helping much, as far as the eye can see. I don't really see a track record to make me think he's the guy, or even a candidate. Especially when you tell me his credentials are DII/DIII. When I think of a top assistant, I think of a guy who's at a winning program in a power conference.
Unlike some, I wouldn't rule out Andy Toole either. The guy is sharp and he can coach. And he's young.
But that's all moot. Ferry is not going anywhere. He won 17 games this year, so this isn't even the time to speculate. I know a lot of folks got carried away with 11-2 (weak non-con) and while I enjoyed it myself, I never looked past the mediocrity of our talent or the lack of an offensive or defensive plan. I figured there'd be drop off once A10 play started. Tarin Smith is a ball player. Lewis and James have the summer to improve. Let's hope Sanders or Robinson earns a starting job and the newcomers are better than Steele and Jackson, who look like role players to me.
Above all, let's hope Harper tells Ferry, look, I support you, now step it up a little bit.
PS I hope we beef up the non-con. Start with a cupcake or two (DI please) but fill the schedule with power conference teams. I think Pittsburgh fans would love to see Gonzaga, Xavier, WVU, etc., rather than Pushover CC.
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WE ARE CREEPING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR....
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Dukes2012 wrote:Duques102 wrote:WashPaRick wrote:
If Bernie gets elected he'll be making at least $15 an hour.
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Porter was in a no-win situation. He tried to take other people's problems and fix them. But he took on more than he could fix with a young staff around him.
Nee retired in his mind after he signed on here.
Everhart, for all of his mistakes, won consistently.
Ferry stubbornly sticks to a system that worked in DII and at LIU, but has no, nada, zero, zip, zilch chance of working in a conference with good coaches and better players. He is outmatched.
I would challenge anyone to tell me which A10 team would take him over their current coach.
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