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4/13/2016 10:11 pm  #1


Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

6-2 guard from coppin state. 14+PPG. 

Unlv and nevada also interested.

 

4/14/2016 5:30 am  #2


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Bad job by Coppin State on its website. They list the kid's stats from the 14-15 season when he averaged 9 ppg, and list his career high as 8 points.

Ferry's got a better PR machine in ol' Web here.

 

4/14/2016 6:00 am  #3


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

ElDuque wrote:

Bad job by Coppin State on its website. They list the kid's stats from the 14-15 season when he averaged 9 ppg, and list his career high as 8 points.

Ferry's got a better PR machine in ol' Web here.

Just reporting the news.

     Thread Starter
 

4/14/2016 6:00 am  #4


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Pitt brought in a guy from Coppin St. this past year. He didn't do very much.

 

4/14/2016 6:08 am  #5


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

duq81 wrote:

Pitt brought in a guy from Coppin St. this past year. He didn't do very much.

We need a SG badly for next season. I don't mind casting a wide net for this spot. Littleson can take over in 17-18.  Terrible idea to just throw him in there as a starter. Imho.

     Thread Starter
 

4/14/2016 6:22 am  #6


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

I agree with WEB here. We desperately need a SG. I don't think steel is a starter until he significantly improves as a ball handler and you certainly don't want to throw Littleson into the fire. I would love to get that kid from niagra. Plus, it would even out our scholarship distribution by year

 

4/14/2016 8:07 am  #7


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Depends what the plan is, if there is a plan.

I agree we don't have an obvious candidate to replace Mason. But neither do we have a replacement for Gill, or Powell at this point. Even though Jackson & Steele got a bit of playing time this year, the 38-minute PT philosophy (as I predicted) absolutely burned Ferry. Castro now appears to be damaged goods, if I'm to assume that the reports of him being the savior here were true.

So Ferry is scrambling to fill holes in a lineup coming off a disappointing season.

I'll ask again: What exactly is the plan here?

 

4/14/2016 8:40 am  #8


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

ElDuque, Ferry's plan is to survive.  He knows he has big holes coming off a disappointing season and probably will not survive another bottom part of the League finish so he is doing his best to find grad transfers to plug the holes.  It makes sense, I just don't know if he can pull it off.  My concern is what happens if Smith gets hurt, who plays the point.  Both of the grad transfers have negative assists/turnover ratios (see comment on Blackman below). Kessee did play point in HS and may be the better option to back up Smith if we can getr him,.  The other possibilties are  we rely on freshmen Littleson & Lewis who are more combo guards or we go hard for Jordan Shepherd a true freshman PG who decommitted from James Madison? 

I saw this comment on the A10 board about Blackman:

"Total chemical fire at Niagara. They hemorrhage players every offseason. As for Blackman, he's a loser. He'd be total eye wash at Duquesne if he goes there. Gunner, try to get on the highlight reels, play next to no team basketball."

Kessee is scheduled to visit on Sunday after Blackman's visit.  Here are his stats

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/67524/christian-kessee

 

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4/14/2016 9:12 am  #9


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

If true, it's a bad plan. A really, really bad plan.

I think the future of this team is Smith, Sanders and the three freshmen. Smith will show us what we've been missing at the point since TJ. Sanders, if he can pack on some muscle and work diligently on his hands and rebounding, could blossom working with Smith. Lewis is a serviceable center. James needs work. Steele and Jackson are clearly contributors but not starters, so the three freshmen, IMHO, should see PT early and often.

Plugging in a couple of mercenary players isn't going to make a difference in this season's team. It's no different than Darelle Porter going the Ogunlesi-Hunter route, and those two clowns were actually considered better prospects.

This is my beef.

 

4/14/2016 9:35 am  #10


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

I respectfully disagree, ED. I think this team has a chance to outperform expectations next season. I look at a grad transfer as a bridge to Littleson, mike Lewis, and steel. I don't think throwing them into the starting lineup is helpful for their development. I also am not interested in having potentially 5 freshmen. If we can find someone who can score and help with ball handling, I think we have a shot at a top half of the league finish. Lewis, James, and sanders will all be a year older and more experienced. If smith can be close to what we expect him to be, I believe we can make some real gains next year.

 

4/14/2016 10:11 am  #11


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

2012 I like what your smoking or drinking!!!!  😂😂😂 Seriously how do you lose your top 3 scorers and do anything but finish in the lower half of the league again. I couldn't agree more with ED. The sad fact is the team has continuously suffered because Ferry has been overly concerned with wins as opposed to development. What is the plan?

 

4/14/2016 10:28 am  #12


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

The Dome wrote:

2012 I like what your smoking or drinking!!!!  😂😂😂 Seriously how do you lose your top 3 scorers and do anything but finish in the lower half of the league again. I couldn't agree more with ED. The sad fact is the team has continuously suffered because Ferry has been overly concerned with wins as opposed to development. What is the plan?

You are certainly entitled to your negative outlook, but I choose to be more optimistic. I think I laid out quite clearly in my previous post as to why I think we can improve next year. We have the best recruiting class in ferry's tenure arriving and we finally have a true point guard. Couple that with the fact that GW and SJU will be down next season. If we can nab a good one year bandaid at SG and get some growth from the returning players, I see no reason why we can't improve our league standing

 

4/14/2016 10:51 am  #13


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

I think the down fall of our team last year was heavily due to the lack of discipline of our two guards. Ferry let them do whatever they would like. If we get blackman and that 6'8 guy from drake I do like the off seasons moves. 

I think blackman would allow our more skilled but less experiences players develop at the two. Also I don't see much difference between the guy from drake and LG besides rebounding. I think Isiah Mike is going to be a beast with Lewis and Robinson (finally getting some playing minutes) banging down low.

I am of course the optimistic type, I know Ferry is still the coach, but I am hoping to see a more balanced team which would hopefully lead to a more successful one. 


Roll Dukes Roll
 

4/14/2016 11:02 am  #14


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

I did not say "throw them in the starting lineup." I did say it's important for them to receive PT if they are as talented as we are being led to believe, as they will be a key part of our future. The two guards who are being mentioned have put up some scoring numbers, but I've seen nothing to suggest they can spell Smith at the point. The forward has bounced around (this would be his third school) and he was displaced as a starter this season. Not that any of them can't help, but I suspect at the A10 level you're adding a couple more role players.

Plus, if they're one-and-done, even if you squeeze a respectable season out of them, you'll see Ferry resort to playing guys 38 minutes a night and not developing anyone. Then you're in a bad position for the following year.

This is why my expectations are tempered for next season.

If I had seen anything from Ferry the past four seasons to suggest otherwise, I'd be a bit more optimistic.

 

4/14/2016 11:29 am  #15


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

After Micah, the Ferry era batting average on transfers has been less than respectable.   As great a one-year pick-up as Ovie was it left a hole unfilled in years 2, 3 and 4.  Add transfer Smith as questionable - his Corn Husker stats show minutes comparable to Powell, FT% less than Castro, assists to turnovers % similar to Sanders.  Ask yourself, do you want the ball in his hands the final 5 game minutes?   No one said it better than the posters above, Plan and Develop. (Did anyone notice Gill's FT% in conference play was over 82% last year - he will be missed.)

 

4/14/2016 12:56 pm  #16


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Dukes2012 wrote:

The Dome wrote:

2012 I like what your smoking or drinking!!!! 😂😂😂 Seriously how do you lose your top 3 scorers and do anything but finish in the lower half of the league again. I couldn't agree more with ED. The sad fact is the team has continuously suffered because Ferry has been overly concerned with wins as opposed to development. What is the plan?

You are certainly entitled to your negative outlook, but I choose to be more optimistic. I think I laid out quite clearly in my previous post as to why I think we can improve next year. We have the best recruiting class in ferry's tenure arriving and we finally have a true point guard. Couple that with the fact that GW and SJU will be down next season. If we can nab a good one year bandaid at SG and get some growth from the returning players, I see no reason why we can't improve our league standing

And no one is looking enough at Isaiah Mike. This kid is going to be an absolute stud, hopefully sooner than later. The post about the dunk he had by CLK took place at what is essentially the McDonald's All American game for Canada, which he played in. So not is he one of the best kids in what has become a recruiting hot bed, he played in that game with BCS level recruits and some NBA prospects. As CLK said he had 18 points and 11 rebounds, and many people were saying he looked like the best player on the floor or that he is going to be huge for us next year. The kid is 6'8" with scoring guard skills. Less than a month ago he played in that tourney in Vegas and was the mvp of the tournament which also included some high major Division 1 players going to bigger schools than him. He has also been referred to as a "legit NBA prospect" by scouting services north of the border. If he is really as good as advertised, he alone could change the fortunes of this program with the pieces he has around him. I've been following the program closely since 2009, when I was a freshman. He by far has the best credentials of anyone I have ever seen us get, whether through high school or as a transfer. Don't sleep on this kid.
 

 

4/14/2016 2:23 pm  #17


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Duqes102 I agree with you that Isiaha Mike is perhaps Ferry's best recruit at DU.  Elias Sbiet the North Pole Hoops Canadian Director of Basketball Recruitment, who is one of the most respected recruiting analysts on Canadian basketball, recently posted this. 

Elias Sbiet ‏@Elias_NPH  Apr 11 Mississauga, Ontario Said it before, I'll say it again. Isiaha Mike will be most impactful CDN NCAA next season http://northpolehoops.com/players/isaiah-mike/ …

Mike has the potential to be one of the best full sized small forwards we have seen on the Bluff in many years.  My concern is that he will be playing for Ferry, and instead of developing him will most likely will have him either riding the bench picking splinters out of his butt behind James and Jackson, or playing out of position at center.  We saw the same treatment with big bodied Robinson who was also highly heralded out of prep school as he wasted on  the bench as Powell played center. 

 

4/14/2016 3:01 pm  #18


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

I hate to say it, but the late scramble for players reminds me of Ron, shortly before he was fired. These guys appear to have even less credentials than the guys Ron was after, although the signed guys appear to be better than Willie Moore, and Donovon Jack, and the returning roster is better than what we were left with after TJ and Talley defected. Of course, that team had a better coach.

 

4/14/2016 3:32 pm  #19


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

duq81 wrote:

I hate to say it, but the late scramble for players reminds me of Ron, shortly before he was fired. These guys appear to have even less credentials than the guys Ron was after, although the signed guys appear to be better than Willie Moore, and Donovon Jack, and the returning roster is better than what we were left with after TJ and Talley defected. Of course, that team had a better coach.

It's funny you say that because people were also excited before everybody jumped ship saying that was potentially Ron's best class. Interesting parallel, hope it ends a little better for everyone involved this time around.

Last edited by Duques102 (4/14/2016 3:32 pm)

 

4/14/2016 3:40 pm  #20


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Christian Kessee from Coppin St has three visits planned in the next 7-10 days.  They are: UNLV, Duquesne, and Nevada.

 

4/14/2016 3:52 pm  #21


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Duques102 wrote:

duq81 wrote:

I hate to say it, but the late scramble for players reminds me of Ron, shortly before he was fired. These guys appear to have even less credentials than the guys Ron was after, although the signed guys appear to be better than Willie Moore, and Donovon Jack, and the returning roster is better than what we were left with after TJ and Talley defected. Of course, that team had a better coach.

It's funny you say that because people were also excited before everybody jumped ship saying that was potentially Ron's best class. Interesting parallel, hope it ends a little better for everyone involved this time around.

The biggest difference is that Ferry will actually get to coach whatever he brings in.  While Gill and Powell are losses, TJ was vastly more important than either of them, and losing him was going to make it pretty much impossible for the team to be good the next year. Losing Talley as well meant that we didn't even have a decent alternative to step in. This is why Ron had to be extended, even if it was only by one year. Despite the dreaming by some posters, that was going to be a bad team, and it was going to take a second season for Ron to get things going again. This is why I think that GA was worried about going down with the ship. If he had felt totally secure in his job, why not just let Ron crash and burn the next season. If the team slipped to 9 or 10 wins, firing him with just one year left on his deal would have been vastly less controversial, to the point where some of the fans who were the most angry, might have agreed that it was time for a change. My guess is that, that time for a change, would have included firing the AD as well. GA knew this, so he took advantage of TJ's defection to push out Ron at a time when he himself, would not be at risk. This has been the way I've seen it since it happened. Had GA been in Ron's corner, he would have pushed to have a year, or maybe even two, added to his deal, and probably could have gotten it done.
 

 

4/15/2016 5:29 pm  #22


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

levon1975 wrote:

Christian Kessee from Coppin St has three visits planned in the next 7-10 days. They are: UNLV, Duquesne, and Nevada.

Got to be pretty weird.  Just as Kessee is to arrive at UNLV  for his official visit the newly hired coach Chris Beard resigns to take the Texas Tech job.  Hopefully this reduces the odds to get this kid when he visits on Sunday.  Unless of course Blackman commits in which case Kessee will be hit with the proverbial double whammy.
 

 

4/16/2016 6:39 am  #23


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

duq81 wrote:

Duques102 wrote:

duq81 wrote:

I hate to say it, but the late scramble for players reminds me of Ron, shortly before he was fired. These guys appear to have even less credentials than the guys Ron was after, although the signed guys appear to be better than Willie Moore, and Donovon Jack, and the returning roster is better than what we were left with after TJ and Talley defected. Of course, that team had a better coach.

It's funny you say that because people were also excited before everybody jumped ship saying that was potentially Ron's best class. Interesting parallel, hope it ends a little better for everyone involved this time around.

The biggest difference is that Ferry will actually get to coach whatever he brings in.  While Gill and Powell are losses, TJ was vastly more important than either of them, and losing him was going to make it pretty much impossible for the team to be good the next year. Losing Talley as well meant that we didn't even have a decent alternative to step in. This is why Ron had to be extended, even if it was only by one year. Despite the dreaming by some posters, that was going to be a bad team, and it was going to take a second season for Ron to get things going again. This is why I think that GA was worried about going down with the ship. If he had felt totally secure in his job, why not just let Ron crash and burn the next season. If the team slipped to 9 or 10 wins, firing him with just one year left on his deal would have been vastly less controversial, to the point where some of the fans who were the most angry, might have agreed that it was time for a change. My guess is that, that time for a change, would have included firing the AD as well. GA knew this, so he took advantage of TJ's defection to push out Ron at a time when he himself, would not be at risk. This has been the way I've seen it since it happened. Had GA been in Ron's corner, he would have pushed to have a year, or maybe even two, added to his deal, and probably could have gotten it done.


The Clown from Quinipiac was never worried about going down with the ship. Simply put he was jealous of Ron. 1. The alumni loved him 2. Unlike the current coach Ron worked the local market both with non alumni & media. The clown sold radio time at Xavier clearly over his head. Only golfer I knew that worked for the PGA & had a 30 handicap. What an athlete my friends. Facts at Duquesne nobody gets fired no accountability lifetime employment in the AD dept. Unfortunately he was able to convince  his boss to pull the trigger. As for The president the backlash bashed upon the new coaches failure forced his hand to fire the Clown. Finally the board had nothing to do with this current mess. Doughertys legacy ....
 

 

 

4/16/2016 7:04 pm  #24


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

Ironduke81 wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Duques102 wrote:


It's funny you say that because people were also excited before everybody jumped ship saying that was potentially Ron's best class. Interesting parallel, hope it ends a little better for everyone involved this time around.

The biggest difference is that Ferry will actually get to coach whatever he brings in.  While Gill and Powell are losses, TJ was vastly more important than either of them, and losing him was going to make it pretty much impossible for the team to be good the next year. Losing Talley as well meant that we didn't even have a decent alternative to step in. This is why Ron had to be extended, even if it was only by one year. Despite the dreaming by some posters, that was going to be a bad team, and it was going to take a second season for Ron to get things going again. This is why I think that GA was worried about going down with the ship. If he had felt totally secure in his job, why not just let Ron crash and burn the next season. If the team slipped to 9 or 10 wins, firing him with just one year left on his deal would have been vastly less controversial, to the point where some of the fans who were the most angry, might have agreed that it was time for a change. My guess is that, that time for a change, would have included firing the AD as well. GA knew this, so he took advantage of TJ's defection to push out Ron at a time when he himself, would not be at risk. This has been the way I've seen it since it happened. Had GA been in Ron's corner, he would have pushed to have a year, or maybe even two, added to his deal, and probably could have gotten it done.


The Clown from Quinipiac was never worried about going down with the ship. Simply put he was jealous of Ron. 1. The alumni loved him 2. Unlike the current coach Ron worked the local market both with non alumni & media. The clown sold radio time at Xavier clearly over his head. Only golfer I knew that worked for the PGA & had a 30 handicap. What an athlete my friends. Facts at Duquesne nobody gets fired no accountability lifetime employment in the AD dept. Unfortunately he was able to convince  his boss to pull the trigger. As for The president the backlash bashed upon the new coaches failure forced his hand to fire the Clown. Finally the board had nothing to do with this current mess. Doughertys legacy ....
 

 

Ain't that the truth. Amodio was a clown, set our university back in a big way. We'll see if we can recover.

 

4/16/2016 7:40 pm  #25


Re: Ferry trying to lure Guard Christian Kessee to the Bluff

And we are back to the Board  and the Dougherty having no responsibility for the University they are paid to oversee.

Sheesh. 

The topic was about a potential transfer.  I can't read anymore posts about the men's program ever.  I'm sticking to women's basketball and football.

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