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Offline Good post Duques102. On the topic of defense, don't forget Omaha came close to scoring 100 second half points on us at home, granted, with the help of Three Stooges refereeing. It's clearly an area that has to be addressed. Offline IMO, I see a number scenarios Maybe a falling out between the two? Other issues beyond the losing. If Nash was the recruiter, maybe some heat for the limbo line of defections? Offline I think it is very poor that as I write this there is still no Official announcement by Duquesne of Nash leaving. You would think that Ferry would want to acknowledge the service of Nash, and wish his long time friend well on the Official Website.. I also think there may be more to the story and suspect there could have been a falling out. Of course Duquesne does not have a good record when it comes to handling the news on coaches leaving. Offline Bingo! Rarely a cheerleader except when donning my cloak, here goes: Nothing frosts my privates like the "limbo line" ED calls it. Nothing. As DU recruits 6 foot nothing Stevens, a waste of everybody's time, neighbor little Bobby recruits Pryor, who is better than any of the Ferry crew, and tiny Bona (1,700 enrollment) signs Marcus Posley, ditto. Neither recruited by the Ferry team or even on the radar as far as we know. Remarkable, how can this happen? Offline maybe its a combo of things: he saw writing on the wall on the bluff, a diff opportunity came up, so he took it. Offline Offline Tennis is still the big thing down there. IMG began as the bollettieri tennis academy and grew into the monstrosity that it is today. Numerous tennis stars, including Sharapova grew up there. That's why you see the discrepancy in pay for the individual sport directors Last edited by Dukes2012 (5/03/2016 5:48 pm) Offline Tennis is still the big thing down there. IMG began as the bollettieri tennis academy and grew into the monstrosity that it is today. Numerous tennis stars, including Sharapova grew up there. That's why you see the discrepancy in pay for the individual sport directors I know about the tennis side of things and thAts how it got started. I think Agassi or roddick grew up training there, sports like basketball and football are relatively new there. However, I'm sure the pay is comparable. You know they want to have the same image and elite status with the major sports as they do with tennis because of how much bigger of a business opportunity those sports are. They'll get there, they have the money, facilities, and climate. That would be a pretty darn sweet job. Offline Ferry is caught off-guard with the Nash move and scrambling to solidify his 2016 commits. Would not be the first decommit upon a lead recruiter taking leave. Offline They're all signed to LOI's already. Only way that happens is if they pull a Marq'well Jackson and transfer before they even play and have to sit down a year. I doubt that, especially because two of the three were probably incentivized to come here with minutes. Offline That my friends is the post of the year! Offline Think about it, just because he says something doesn't mean it's true (see program building comments). Why do you think recruits defect? Tell someone what they can reasonably expect in terms of short term and long term minutes and impact on the team, if after a year or two you feel as though what you were told to expect isn't happening, you leave to actually find that. Last edited by Duques102 (5/04/2016 12:52 pm) Offline I'm not disagreeing with you at all. And it would certainly explain the lineup at the exit door. Offline I'm not disagreeing with you at all. And it would certainly explain the lineup at the exit door. There's a lot of speculation going on in this thread but assuming that the kids that have left did so because they didn't play as much as ferry may have told them they would, then shame on them. It's an indication of how wimpy my generation has become. We expect things to be handed to us. We all have gripes about ferry's distribution of minutes, but if any of those kids demanded playing time on account of their out-playing others in practice, they would have found their way onto the court. This could partially explain the epidemic of transferring in college sports. Last edited by Dukes2012 (5/04/2016 2:33 pm) Offline I'm not disagreeing with you at all. And it would certainly explain the lineup at the exit door. There's a lot of speculation going on in this thread but assuming that the kids that have left did so because they didn't play as much as ferry may have told them they would, then shame on them. It's an indication of how wimpy my generation has become. We expect things to be handed to us. We all have gripes about ferry's distribution of minutes, but if any of those kids demanded playing time on account of their out-playing others in practice, they would have found their way onto the court. This could partially explain the epidemic of transferring in college sports. Totally agree, kids nowadays just want to be somewhere were they are fawned over, treated like a star, told how great they are etc. It's pathetic, that type of stuff used to be earned by hard work, dedication, and a willingness to put the team before yourself. Nowadays if things get hard or a kid doesn't feel like he's being "respected" he can just up and leave instead of facing the issue and actually dealing with adversity. The transfer rule just reinforces that "they just don't get how special I am" type of attitude kids have these days. Sad Offline Nash still listed in the DU directory and as part of the staff. Offline Title IX, my friend. Women's bowling recruits, lacrosse, tennis. That's what we're working on right now. Offline I think a lot of that low level web maintenance stuff would probably be the responsibility of a student employee who is probably gone for the summer, but it is still pathetic they haven't made this incredibly easy amendment. That being said, this issue pales in comparison to the fact that there was no media release from the school outlining the associate head coach leaving the program. At the very least it shows negligence, something we have come to realize our athletic department does at a professional level, and even more to me suggests an outright lack of class by Ferry. Why would they not mention it unless there was some kind of falling out? Offline This entire cluster gives me pause about Harper and in my opinion is a misstep that he should have addressed. I love how ED and I where portrayed as, junior detectives!!! 102 correct read the tea leaves falling out is probably mild. Nash still listed in the DU directory and as part of the staff. Offline This entire cluster gives me pause about Harper and in my opinion is a misstep that he should have addressed. I love how ED and I where portrayed as, junior detectives!!! 102 correct read the tea leaves falling out is probably mild. Offline I think a lot of that low level web maintenance stuff would probably be the responsibility of a student employee who is probably gone for the summer, but it is still pathetic they haven't made this incredibly easy amendment. That being said, this issue pales in comparison to the fact that there was no media release from the school outlining the associate head coach leaving the program. At the very least it shows negligence, something we have come to realize our athletic department does at a professional level, and even more to me suggests an outright lack of class by Ferry. Why would they not mention it unless there was some kind of falling out? Offline I think a lot of that low level web maintenance stuff would probably be the responsibility of a student employee who is probably gone for the summer, but it is still pathetic they haven't made this incredibly easy amendment. That being said, this issue pales in comparison to the fact that there was no media release from the school outlining the associate head coach leaving the program. At the very least it shows negligence, something we have come to realize our athletic department does at a professional level, and I agree, really no big deal, but a slow news time so the detective have some extra time on their hands! Offline Levon, read post #42 above, if you would. I beat a bunch of you guys to the punch on this. Offline Today Coach Ferry's main lieutenant, Nash, is to report to his new High School job in Florida. Another sad commentary among the DU basketball coaching ranks is now in the books going back as far as Chick Davies (thanks to 81) a near century ago. Am aware of J Carroll's brief fling in the NBA some years ago and of course our Susie at Pitt but other than that has any coach in DU basketball history ever improved his coaching lot after succumbing to basketball coaching graveyard, aka the bluff?
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I have said many times, and you interpret this as hate and/or bashing, that Ferry is a creature of habit. Small lineups, lots of threes indiscriminate of the ability of the person to launch them, little defense, little trust in anyone but starters. I'm not close to the program, I know neither Nash nor Ferry, but I would have presumed a close relationship. Maybe like a bench coach in baseball. Losing Nash regardless of the next stop has to be painful, even if you support the change.
Based on your post, I'd say Ferry needs someone who can recruit. I don't think internal promotions and hiring a recent graduate meet this need.
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Econ69 wrote:
-Nash concluded that Ferry was short time, had a relationship with IMG, they had an opening and he took it.
-Nash was the fall guy for the disappointing season and possibly for all the seasons. Ferry let him hang. Again, Nash had opportunity with IMG and took it to preempt being fired.
Nash has an option to return to coaching later since he was not fired or on staff if or when Ferry is fired. At IMG, he will make contact with numerous D1 coaches that will provide him with ample leads for coaching jobs.
Regardless of why Nash left, his leaving is a bad omen since he was the associate head coach.
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im not surprised ferry made no mention of it. he is an egotistical jerk, or typical new yorker.
if nash was primary recruiter, its a big loss
if nash was in charge of run and gun o and the defense, no big loss
will be tough to find a good assistant to come here under the current circumstances.
fwiw, I've also heard nash's wife is an amazing golfer, so maybe the move to warm weather sold her. maybe there is opportunity for her there too.
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The tennis director made $200,000 in 2012. Safe to say he's making some coin.
Heelsdukesfan are you from North Carolina? I grew up in Winston Salem.
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Duques102 wrote:
The tennis director made $200,000 in 2012. Safe to say he's making some coin.
Heelsdukesfan are you from North Carolina? I grew up in Winston Salem.
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Dukes2012 wrote:
Duques102 wrote:
The tennis director made $200,000 in 2012. Safe to say he's making some coin.
Heelsdukesfan are you from North Carolina? I grew up in Winston Salem.
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Ferry incentivizing recruits with minutes. Thank you for a hearty laugh on a stressful day. •Thread Starter
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I played college soccer and on all my recruiting visits coaches always told you how much you could expect to play when you come in and how he saw your impact on the team over the length of your career playing out. It is not unreasonable to guess Ferry is telling recruits they will come in and play significant minutes immediately. If it doesn't happen, guys want to leave. I'm not saying that's what happened to us in the past but it's not really that far fetched either.
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But Ferry being caught off guard by this is perplexing. Or not, I guess. If you can't figure out what it takes to win in a conference after playing more than 100 games in it, you're equally unlikely to figure out that not keeping promises will come back to haunt you. Even after it happens a half-dozen times. •Thread Starter
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ElDuque wrote:
But Ferry being caught off guard by this is perplexing. Or not, I guess. If you can't figure out what it takes to win in a conference after playing more than 100 games in it, you're equally unlikely to figure out that not keeping promises will come back to haunt you. Even after it happens a half-dozen times.
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Dukes2012 wrote:
ElDuque wrote:
But Ferry being caught off guard by this is perplexing. Or not, I guess. If you can't figure out what it takes to win in a conference after playing more than 100 games in it, you're equally unlikely to figure out that not keeping promises will come back to haunt you. Even after it happens a half-dozen times.
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No notice by the school of his departure and nor any other changes.
I can't resist--this is hilarious.
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I don't know if it's policy, but we seldom announce assistants leaving. Of course you do something when a John Rosato retires, but other coaching changes get handled when the newcomer is introduced. I think.
Or as Larry the Cable Guy would say, A-thoink. •Thread Starter
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Econ69 wrote:
No notice by the school of his departure and nor any other changes.
I can't resist--this is hilarious.
Big surprise my friend the same staff that was employed under Colleary & The Quinipiac Clown remain employed. The new AD same old song my friend. Duquesne will always be
Losersville. Total incompetence in the AD dept.
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The Dome wrote:
What I lack in experience on the detective force, I make up for with an innate bullPitt detector. •Thread Starter
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Duques102 wrote:
Take a gander at this article that appeared in the Pgh. P-G's May 3rd edition on page E-7 under the heading: Scoreboard - Morning Briefing:
I think that too much of a stink has been made about the absence of a post on the Dukes' website about Brian Nash's leaving Duquesne for another job. Perhaps Brian's departure will be covered in the Dukes' post about the hiring of his replacement. Not a big deal in my opinion!
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godukes1970 wrote:
Duques102 wrote:
even more to me suggests an outright lack of class by Ferry. Why would they not mention it unless there was some kind of falling out?
Take a gander at this article that appeared in the Pgh. P-G's May 3rd edition on page E-7 under the heading: Scoreboard - Morning Briefing:
I think that too much of a stink has been made about the absence of a post on the Dukes' website about Brian Nash's leaving Duquesne for another job. Perhaps Brian's departure will be covered in the Dukes' post about the hiring of his replacement. Not a big deal in my opinion!
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But I didn't call anyone names.
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