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I wrote a column after yesterday's familiar loss which takes a hard look at this team's current state. Have a happy Thanksgiving and enjoy. Was just going to post this. I hope Mr. Harper reads it. Also, Schmidt of SBU has a 92-64 for the last five years, 146-132 overall for 9 years at a school that has a fraction of DU's students and endownment. According to verbal commit, SBU recruits have a 2.222 rating versus DU's recruit rating of 2.306. SBU made the NCAA tournament in 2012, the NIT last year. Thank you all for your feedback. If this kind of losing continues, this will not be the last kind of piece such as this and will not be as kind. How about Dan Hurley, hired @ the same time at RI? They played within 10 points of Duke the night Kentucky schooled us. And that's a good point. I used Fordham as a basic comparable. Team that had some good success and unprecedented for them. Duquesne had not that kind of success under JF and both playing eight games in November. How about Dan Hurley, hired @ the same time at RI? They played within 10 points of Duke the night Kentucky schooled us. Hurley wouldn't have come here. How about Dan Hurley, hired @ the same time at RI? They played within 10 points of Duke the night Kentucky schooled us. Hurley wouldn't have come here. Yes but URI was successful under Jim Baron and never fell and stayed in the depths that Duquesne has been in for a generation. Yes but URI was successful under Jim Baron and never fell and stayed in the depths that Duquesne has been in for a generation. Baron was more successful than any Dukes coach since Manning, and it's not even close, yet fans quickly became frustrated with all of those NIT bids. Jim wasn't fired after an NIT season, although I wonder if the nitwits who ran Ferry out of town would have done something like that. Jim wasn't fired after an NIT season, although I wonder if the nitwits who ran Ferry out of town would have done something like that. Hey, there are nitwits on the Pitt boards who were calling for Jamie Dixon to be fired after making the NCAAs last year, and who were celebrating when he took the TCU job. Those types infest every fanbase. Right now, you can visit any active Steeler, Packer, or Raven message board, and find people calling for Tomlin, McCarthy, and Harbaugh to be fired. Zach, very good editorial and to that as further food for thought I would ask Mr. Harper and Dr. Gormley to consider this. In what business or field do you have no organization changes despite constant failure? I am referring to the Athletic Department staff. Since Colleary it strikes me that the same people are in the same positions and for what? The school's marque program is, and has been (excluding Ron's success to a certain degree) a disaster. What has been done to stimulate any student interest? I know winning solves a lot, but there is about a 1% student population interest and with kids rotating through every 4 years that should not happen. Where is the marketing to the students? What has the fund raising arm of the Athletic Department done? Same people in place and I just don't see the improvement. Amodio was new and he kept the same Colleary staff. Harper replaces Amodio and he keeps the same staff. You sometimes need to make changes just to get fresh ideas in, infuse some new blood. This AD staff in my view has no real accountability. What are their goals? How are they benchmarked? Commitment? Start showing us that by shaking up the AD staff, getting a Coach who doesn't thrive on excuses and get one who makes a concerted effort to become involved in the community - not one who doesn't even live here full time! And probably of the most importance, make a financial commitment that demonstrates our desire to be the best. Any chance of this happening Mr. Harper, Dr. Gormley??????? Pete, when I was around those on the AD staff they would say things like, "Those New Yorkers with John Carroll think they are smart and know everything " Zach, very good editorial and to that as further food for thought I would ask Mr. Harper and Dr. Gormley to consider this. In what business or field do you have no organization changes despite constant failure? I am referring to the Athletic Department staff. Since Colleary it strikes me that the same people are in the same positions and for what? The school's marque program is, and has been (excluding Ron's success to a certain degree) a disaster. What has been done to stimulate any student interest? I know winning solves a lot, but there is about a 1% student population interest and with kids rotating through every 4 years that should not happen. Where is the marketing to the students? What has the fund raising arm of the Athletic Department done? Same people in place and I just don't see the improvement. Amodio was new and he kept the same Colleary staff. Harper replaces Amodio and he keeps the same staff. You sometimes need to make changes just to get fresh ideas in, infuse some new blood. This AD staff in my view has no real accountability. What are their goals? How are they benchmarked? Commitment? Start showing us that by shaking up the AD staff, getting a Coach who doesn't thrive on excuses and get one who makes a concerted effort to become involved in the community - not one who doesn't even live here full time! And probably of the most importance, make a financial commitment that demonstrates our desire to be the best. Any chance of this happening Mr. Harper, Dr. Gormley??????? Great column. Pittsburgh people don't make excuses when things don't go their way; they roll up their sleeves & work harder. From that standpoint, I thought from his first season that Ferry, even if successful, would have a hard time endearing himself to this market. When he spent his first season constantly whining about "not having good players" & talking about "the way he wants to play," alarms went off in my head. It reminded me of when the Pirates hired Jim Tracy to manage or when Pitt hired Todd Graham as head football coach. These guys who act like they invented the game & have the only system or philosophy that works never seem to work out in Pittsburgh. If Duquesne basketball were a bigger deal around here, the papers woulda been calling him out a long time ago. These is the 3rd AD in what I call the "modern losing era". If Mr. Harper who by all accounts is a nice guy, a good guy, and a positive guy, thinks that Ferry is his man than this AD was a mistake. If I recall, Ferry was instrumental in getting this guy hired. Maybe Harper feels some type of blind loyalty. If he does and if Ferry continues to lose, than the former President and committee made a mistake in his hiring also. Time will tell. It is not like Ferry has some hidden talent that none of us see. So I can't figure out what Harper sees that we don't. Wins and losses are pretty simple - no defense is pretty simple - losing to teams ranked even lower than your team is pretty simple. Obviously, I am missing something since I think what I am seeing is pretty simple. These is the 3rd AD in what I call the "modern losing era". If Mr. Harper who by all accounts is a nice guy, a good guy, and a positive guy, thinks that Ferry is his man than this AD was a mistake. If I recall, Ferry was instrumental in getting this guy hired. Maybe Harper feels some type of blind loyalty. If he does and if Ferry continues to lose, than the former President and committee made a mistake in his hiring also. Time will tell. It is not like Ferry has some hidden talent that none of us see. So I can't figure out what Harper sees that we don't. Wins and losses are pretty simple - no defense is pretty simple - losing to teams ranked even lower than your team is pretty simple. Obviously, I am missing something since I think what I am seeing is pretty simple. Don't be so dead sure that AD Dave Harper won't pull the plug on Ferry if this season continues to sour as it has up to this point. He's more pissed that you are of the pathetic results shown by the men's team. These is the 3rd AD in what I call the "modern losing era". If Mr. Harper who by all accounts is a nice guy, a good guy, and a positive guy, thinks that Ferry is his man than this AD was a mistake. If I recall, Ferry was instrumental in getting this guy hired. Maybe Harper feels some type of blind loyalty. If he does and if Ferry continues to lose, than the former President and committee made a mistake in his hiring also. Time will tell. It is not like Ferry has some hidden talent that none of us see. So I can't figure out what Harper sees that we don't. Wins and losses are pretty simple - no defense is pretty simple - losing to teams ranked even lower than your team is pretty simple. Obviously, I am missing something since I think what I am seeing is pretty simple. Don't be so dead sure that AD Dave Harper won't pull the plug on Ferry if this season continues to sour as it has up to this point. He's more pissed that you are of the pathetic results shown by the men's team. Agree 100%. Harper isn't going to throw Ferry under the bus publicly to appease some angry alums. To do so would be unprofessional, and would make it even harder to find someone willing to come here. If the season turns out to be a disaster, I expect that he'll make the necessary moves, provided his hands aren't tied. He's not going to fire Ferry for going .500, but a 10 win season should bring an end to the Ferry "error". 10 wins? Pull the plug on the whole thing and go big time with football. Zach, just read your article and it was spot on. Thank you. As was point out a few posts ago, I believe by El Duque, who would want to come here at this point? I really thought about that post and he hit the nail on the head. Looking back, John Carroll was really the only coach we've landed from a big time program, right? Seton Hall. Satalin - lateral move, Edgar - OVC, Everheart - CAA. I write off Nee because he was definitely past his prime, Porter - DU assistant. Ferry - NEC. So, is anyone in the Athletic Department charged with tracking a possible replacement? It can be done discretely. And it should be an on-going process. With Ferry's hiring it was a fire-drill. There should be a constantly updated list of possible candidates BEFORE we get to the end of the season. And if we are limited to lower level candidates, then let's get the best one available, right? Just my thoughts on the day before trekking off to Palumbo to join hands with 700 other brave souls. Of course the students are off and I'm sure none of them live within 20 miles of Pittsburgh. Ha! Zach, just read your article and it was spot on. Thank you. As was point out a few posts ago, I believe by El Duque, who would want to come here at this point? I really thought about that post and he hit the nail on the head. Looking back, John Carroll was really the only coach we've landed from a big time program, right? Seton Hall. Satalin - lateral move, Edgar - OVC, Everheart - CAA. I write off Nee because he was definitely past his prime, Porter - DU assistant. Ferry - NEC. So, is anyone in the Athletic Department charged with tracking a possible replacement? It can be done discretely. And it should be an on-going process. With Ferry's hiring it was a fire-drill. There should be a constantly updated list of possible candidates BEFORE we get to the end of the season. And if we are limited to lower level candidates, then let's get the best one available, right? Just my thoughts on the day before trekking off to Palumbo to join hands with 700 other brave souls. Of course the students are off and I'm sure none of them live within 20 miles of Pittsburgh. Ha! Keep in mind that Carroll was hired way back in the 80s, before we acquired our current reputation. Plus he came from Seton Hall, which wasn't an established power, but was the Duquesne of the Big East, who had finally gotten off of the floor, which was one of the reasons Carroll was attractive, and probably why he thought he could effect a similar miracle here. Carroll had quite a few shortcomings, but he had a good eye for talent, and he brought many good players to the Bluff. I find it hard to believe that he would have squandered the talent that he left to Scott Edgar. He probably wouldn't have gotten us to the promised land, but we'd have likely remained competitive in the league. BC should have been fired instead. Zach, very good editorial and to that as further food for thought I would ask Mr. Harper and Dr. Gormley to consider this. In what business or field do you have no organization changes despite constant failure? I am referring to the Athletic Department staff. Since Colleary it strikes me that the same people are in the same positions and for what? The school's marque program is, and has been (excluding Ron's success to a certain degree) a disaster. What has been done to stimulate any student interest? I know winning solves a lot, but there is about a 1% student population interest and with kids rotating through every 4 years that should not happen. Where is the marketing to the students? What has the fund raising arm of the Athletic Department done? Same people in place and I just don't see the improvement. Amodio was new and he kept the same Colleary staff. Harper replaces Amodio and he keeps the same staff. You sometimes need to make changes just to get fresh ideas in, infuse some new blood. This AD staff in my view has no real accountability. What are their goals? How are they benchmarked? Commitment? Start showing us that by shaking up the AD staff, getting a Coach who doesn't thrive on excuses and get one who makes a concerted effort to become involved in the community - not one who doesn't even live here full time! And probably of the most importance, make a financial commitment that demonstrates our desire to be the best. Any chance of this happening Mr. Harper, Dr. Gormley??????? So spot on!!!! Harper by all accounts is a nice guy. That is great. But just as you say the person on top changes everything else stays the same and we expect something different. Last edited by duqkurt (11/26/2016 2:15 pm)
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Why does SBU have more success? Better coaching.
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I think Rhode Island will win the A-10 regular season title and of course will earn an NCAA Tournament spot.
The top of the A-10 is good but with how George Mason and Duquesne are doing getting more than two, maybe three in the NCAA Tournament seems like a long shot. •
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duq81 wrote:ElDuque wrote:
Not my point. My point was how far, how quick for both teams. URI up, DU down.
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I just wonder who would come here, maybe just more of the same......
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I just wonder who would come here, maybe just more of the same......
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I always thought of the AD staff as being similar to city employees I would run into at the tax collectors offices, sitting around and over staffed and doing very little constructive work.
As a season ticket holder I became weary of not getting tickets before season opening and having to stand in line at Will Call on game day so I could get in.
I once even called to see if the team had any comp tickets for a game up at Penn State, since I was going to be there overnight on business, and was curtly old "No" , then hung up on.
I went to that game with a business owner who I was calling on, he was a season ticket holder, and after the game we were down in a reception area speaking with then Coach Barry Parkhill, a real nice guy.
I never got anywhere near Jim Satalin and his crew even though I was a supporter .
That was many,many years ago but some of that. AD staff still might be around.
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Pistol hello my friend we are talking Duquesne University=Job For Life. In fact the new AD will probably be gone by 2020 while that crack staff adds another notch their belts. If new AD goes in 2020 that means the new coach as well which at that stage will result in Duquesne to the Patriot league or Div 3. Finally, anyone in the athletic Dept. Who preaches all we need to do is win is making excuses in order to protect their job. As Pistol has noted blow it up corporate rule 1 if not the new AD like his predecessors is going to fail.
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Why not? I think we'll have proven that we just have no chance with men's basketball. With the exception of Everhart's hiring - which was "rectified" by his unjustified firing - I think nearly five decades of futility is enough for anyone.
I'm just happy that we have a big time WBB team. I'd urge everyone to tune into them and support them. They deserve it.
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WE ARE CREEPING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR....
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To think that we almost had Gary Williams.
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Just the fact that season ticket holders didn't get their tickets on time (see women's thread). How does this constantly happen at Duquesne?
I'll go back to the Dunks and Donuts practice session. This was the most poorly run effort I have ever attended. They actually have a marketing department that was paid to run that.
And for what it is worth. DU football season is over. And ESPN 970 is still running the commercial for the October RMU football game. I heard it Friday morning on Mike and Mike show.
And we have Learfield sports running this. Nothing changes there at all. Nothing.
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