Dino was seen as something like Jim Crews at SLU. He inherited a very good team after the coach died. The difference is that Jim Crews is seen as a good coach who can't recruit, while Dino was seen as a good recruiter who can't coach. The team faded badly after being ranked number 1, and when the following team struggled, the plug was pulled. May or may not have been a mistake, but the replacement surely was.

FAM wrote:

Well,
1.  Since we all agree Ferry should be gone what do we do next.  Personally, I sent the AD an email and got a reply back regarding this. 
 

And what pray tell did that email say?  I am done emailing Harper. I said my piece to him last year in our extended email and phone conversations, so I have no idea. Please tell me what Harper is saying about Ferry's future.

duq81 wrote:

Tejas_Duke wrote:

FAM wrote:

Well,
1.  Since we all agree Ferry should be gone what do we do next.  Personally, I sent the AD an email and got a reply back regarding this. 
 

And what pray tell did that email say?  I am done emailing Harper. I said my piece to him last year in our extended email and phone conversations, so I have no idea. Please tell me what Harper is saying about Ferry's future.

Harper really doesn't need to comment on his coach in public. It looks unprofessional. If he's paying attention, he'll make the appropriate moves at the end of the season. An AD who makes public statements to appease alums on a message board is a guy who will do a bad job.

I asked what he said in the email. What was the tone? Did he get your frustration or was it just more rah-rah, "we have to be patient," Ferry needs time.....cattle excrement?
 

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duq81 wrote:

Dino was seen as something like Jim Crews at SLU. He inherited a very good team after the coach died. The difference is that Jim Crews is seen as a good coach who can't recruit, while Dino was seen as a good recruiter who can't coach. The team faded badly after being ranked number 1, and when the following team struggled, the plug was pulled. May or may not have been a mistake, but the replacement surely was.

Plus, Dino was not successful as a head coach at Army (36-72) and Loyola MD (32-52) in the 90's. And at Wake, his teams faded badly in February and March. So he appeared to be a bad fit at Duquesne.

levon1975 wrote:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/
Profile on Bryan Odom, UMBC coach.  I was very impressed with his team.  I'm sure there are other coaches who are also finding success at a low D-1 level, but the style of play that he coached was very effective and refreshing to watch  He does have good players as well.  Joe Sherbourne could play at a lot of higher D-1 schools, the guy just knows how to score.  UMBC won again at Mt St Mary and Sherbourne had 28 points.  Odom also has good experience at Va. Tech, and Charlotte, and of course is the son of Dave Odom former Virginia and South Carolina Head Coach.

Sign me up for this guy. This wasn't the most talented team we played, but it was definitely the sharpest and most we'll run offense we faced and they were also strong defensively. Didn't somebody say he's a first year guy too?

currentstudent wrote:

Fire Jim Ferry

Which brings me back to my point, we need to get the administration to create a search committee with a knowledgeable mix of people,  to find, anybody, that, as a coach, can play his game and win, because we keep  getting  the same level of players in here year after year and can only  win or lose on that coaches ability.  Bottle line, Ferry will never win here, almost no one, except Ron has  had success.  There has got to be a way of finding some young coach that shows a higher BB IQ than what we keep getting here, brick by brick??
   

Duques102 wrote:

levon1975 wrote:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/
Profile on Bryan Odom, UMBC coach.  I was very impressed with his team.  I'm sure there are other coaches who are also finding success at a low D-1 level, but the style of play that he coached was very effective and refreshing to watch  He does have good players as well.  Joe Sherbourne could play at a lot of higher D-1 schools, the guy just knows how to score.  UMBC won again at Mt St Mary and Sherbourne had 28 points.  Odom also has good experience at Va. Tech, and Charlotte, and of course is the son of Dave Odom former Virginia and South Carolina Head Coach.

Sign me up for this guy. This wasn't the most talented team we played, but it was definitely the sharpest and most we'll run offense we faced and they were also strong defensively. Didn't somebody say he's a first year guy too?

Yes, Bryan Odom is in his first year at UMBC, which can be a deterrent to him leaving so quickly.  I know it happens but he may feel that by staying longer and producing good results he can get a better job in a P-5 conference. 

PistolPete wrote:

The Ron/GA issues are over and it's done, but I can understand the comparison in light of Teflon's Jimmy's utter failure.  I didn't disagree with the decision to let Ron go and I never bought into the theory about GA deliberately leaking that memo to the Press as it only embarrassed the school, CD and Amodio.  Now that being said, I wholeheartedly agree with my friend Iron Duke and with CLK's assessment that RE never had the resources that Ferry was given ($$$$$).  It would have been very interesting to see what Ron could have done with the cash to retain some good coaches that he did have and also spend more on recruiting.  That is a fair and realistic question as Ron did give us the best success we had, even with his shortcomings, and I actually think we got spoiled by some success and all of us wanted more - 20 win seasons, NCAA etc.  Here are some other thoughts on that situation:
1.  Ron and Greg were both head strong and butted heads, period.  I know and have also heard from others there was a good bit of conflict between them and they both are responsible for that;
2.  Don't forget GA hired Ron (a committee was put together to hire GA) and I think for his own interests he wanted him to succeed, but he should have really given him one more year and if the results were not good no one would have complained if RE was let go;
3.  GA clearly knew he bet the ranch (his DU career) on Ron's replacement and recognizing it was a colossal mistake he bailed to save his career and we are of course left with the Ferry mess........good Lord have mercy.
 

Here's my point. Ron had a certain level of success but why, He had certain qualities that a good search committee should take note of, then look at a Jamie Dixon, a former assist. coach that Pitt didn't even want at first, then look at other coaches that have a higher level of success, for instance, Mageris from St.Louis. He won at a higher level by his instincts to teach defense, the examples go on and on, then look at Ferry?? He didn't possess any winning characteristics really.  Loser at a lower level for a decade before winning for just 2 years?  Looks more like luck than a man with a plan.  Ron won here right away.  Ron turned a quite a few programs around before getting here.  We need  to make a better informed decision for next year and this administration should be quietly forming a committee now to search for a coach now and not just 2 weeks after firing Ferry.  

Your are right El D; it's like someone noted that went to the Bobby Mo game, we'd call out a play (if you could call it that) and Bobby Mo knew exactly what to do and forced turnovers.  Some of this is on the players, but I've seen less athletic players have it drilled into them what to do from a bball IQ standpoint.  Nothing Ferry has done has shown me any ability to teach and improve.