Seem like nice kids, I wish them well.  Now a little reality.
Been there, done that - Lipstick on a pig.

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Duques102 wrote:

I don't think it's inconceivable that if Ferry was fired and somebody with at least some level of name recognition and success came in, we could keep the kids we have and the kids coming in. I mean, we've gone over Ferry W-L numbers many times. He is basically a no name with a track record of non success and he was able to bring these kids here. Thoughts?

 
to me the key is if Harper can speak to Lewis, Smith and I Mike (off the record of course) and get them to stay for a new coach while bringing in those new recruits.

If, (major if), that happens I will stick around despite what I have said for the last five years. If Ferry stays and our good ones transfer I am done. If Ferry is fired and everyone transfers or decomits I am done.

president wrote:

I remember well when RE left and we got none of his recruits to come here. Generally recruits seem prone to de-commit when those who recruited them are removed from the equation. One of the downsides of replacing a coaching staff but everything has to be weighed here and kept in perspective.

Not to revisit that one ad nauseum but that was an argument for not firing Ron. TJ leaving, firing Ron and none of the top recruits coming.  The three way of death  (which I understand is something you have to pay extra for in Vegas  )
 

Nice interview on both.  Ferry has said from day 1 he wants kids from good families.  Seems he got at least two more here.  Notice 6-8 Walker talks to in-coming "big Lew" and Lawson everyday, too.  

So CLK, anticipating your lottery or over/under on whether Ferry stays - put me down - Ferry's going nowhere soon, as the announcer used to say "no doubt about it."

Cheers!

Dukes2012 wrote:

president wrote:

I remember well when RE left and we got none of his recruits to come here. Generally recruits seem prone to de-commit when those who recruited them are removed from the equation. One of the downsides of replacing a coaching staff but everything has to be weighed here and kept in perspective.

On paper, that was Ron's best class. If memory serves, most of those kids ended up not doing much in college. That is not to say though that they would not have been successful at Duquesne.

 
I would imagine that was his best class. I was a freshman the same year as Tj so I think I saw 3 Ron recruiting classes. The two previous to that were like 0 star guys (one of which was TJ though). That class that never came had the local kid go to Penn State, the kid from Ohio go to Oregon, and I think there was one other kid. Either way they left A10 for Pac12 and BIG10 so yeah probably would have been his best class.

Duques102 wrote:

Dukes2012 wrote:

president wrote:

I remember well when RE left and we got none of his recruits to come here. Generally recruits seem prone to de-commit when those who recruited them are removed from the equation. One of the downsides of replacing a coaching staff but everything has to be weighed here and kept in perspective.

On paper, that was Ron's best class. If memory serves, most of those kids ended up not doing much in college. That is not to say though that they would not have been successful at Duquesne.

 
I would imagine that was his best class. I was a freshman the same year as Tj so I think I saw 3 Ron recruiting classes. The two previous to that were like 0 star guys (one of which was TJ though). That class that never came had the local kid go to Penn State, the kid from Ohio go to Oregon, and I think there was one other kid. Either way they left A10 for Pac12 and BIG10 so yeah probably would have been his best class.

Yeah, jack was the kid that went to penn state. He was okay there but nothing more than a depth guy off the bench. Certainly would not have been a program changer like we are hoping Mike might be. The kid that went to Oregon (Moore?) ended up transferring back to one of the Mac schools I believe. Not sure what happened to the other kids.

duq81 wrote:

Ron's best class was the one with Clark and Saunders in it.

Good point. We kind of lucked into getting Saunders but those two were so fun to watch. This team is missing someone with the leadership and toughness of Bill Clark.

Saunders would be able to score at will.

How many open 3s for Billy C.?

Thanks, ED. Here is a nice profile on TJ. In the Philly rags.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20170208_Cooney__76ers__McConnell_has_always_been_driven_to_succeed.html

levon1975 wrote:

Dukes2012 wrote:

president wrote:

I remember well when RE left and we got none of his recruits to come here. Generally recruits seem prone to de-commit when those who recruited them are removed from the equation. One of the downsides of replacing a coaching staff but everything has to be weighed here and kept in perspective.

On paper, that was Ron's best class. If memory serves, most of those kids ended up not doing much in college. That is not to say though that they would not have been successful at Duquesne.

Nonsense, no way !  His last non class was never completed but we know that Jack and Moore never accomplished anything significant and the other guys were just rumors who never did anything anyway.  The first group that was victimized by the shooting and a drug bust would have been interesting; and Clark and Saunders were also solid players.  TJ and BJ were obviously players but there were more misses than hits overall.

 
Compared to Ferry, for whom we're still waiting for a few hits. Donovan Jack is on Penn State's all time list for blocked shots and played well against us. We could have used his length although as I said he would have rotted on the bench like the other bigs, or transferred out after a year or two. Ultimately, half the battle is who you recruit and the other half is what you do with the players you have. Everhart also recruited Shawn James, who under different circumstances might have ended up in the NBA. Guys like Baldonado and Ashaulu, who knows what they could have done if not for the shooting. How about a walk-on like Jason Duty? He had a better career than most of Ferry's top recruits. But put that aside. Everhart got more out of AJax and Achara than Nee did, or Ferry would have. Sean Johnson and Jerry Jones were developing into good players. I remember Ferry's comments about them not understanding his system as he nailed them to the bench. Five years later, we see that he has no system. But the bottom line for Everhart's players is that except for Aaron and Kieran they all graduated with winning records. Ferry's first class to do that, if all goes well with his plan, will be the class of 2023.

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Hilltopper wrote:

Nice interview on both.  Ferry has said from day 1 he wants kids from good families.  Seems he got at least two more here.  Notice 6-8 Walker talks to in-coming "big Lew" and Lawson everyday, too.  

So CLK, anticipating your lottery or over/under on whether Ferry stays - put me down - Ferry's going nowhere soon, as the announcer used to say "no doubt about it."

Cheers!

My friend I can honestly now say "I don't care".  All I can say from my business experience is that no legitimate business would give a CEO 6 years to turn a profit (or in this case have a simple winning season). Hey but this is Duquesne. Ferry may survive and stay on another year, but the business will be bankrupt and and never recover.