Thanks for the update. Instead of being on the bluff he'll be on the hill somewhere else. 

VBC wrote:

WashPaRick wrote:

The beating Pitt curse was just too much to overcome.

The new coach will put an end to this silliness in December.
 

The city is ours to take right now. Pitt is saddled with Stallings for a while. Get the right guy, I really think we can win now with the talent we have. I have submitted for a while that I didn't believe the talent was being properly utilized.

Mike Rice (senior): Valley HS ---> Assistant at DU for 2 years ---> Head Coach.

No reason Brad shouldn't be considered as an assistant, depending who we bring in.

He said that the talent was being under utilized, not that it was A10 talent. We saw what they did during the summer leagues and what they accomplished in high school. I truly believe this team should be middle of the pack with a 2nd-3rd round exit from the A10 tourney. Even the pessimistic ElDuque was impressed by the talent before the season. There is no way this team should have had anyone close to the record it did.

That being said I do whole hardly agree with your point of getting bigger down low. I've been saying that ever since Ovie left, we need to beef up. Just give me a Big guy with nice hands, you can coach up the rest. 

levon1975 wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

VBC wrote:

The new coach will put an end to this silliness in December.
 

The city is ours to take right now. Pitt is saddled with Stallings for a while. Get the right guy, I really think we can win now with the talent we have. I have submitted for a while that I didn't believe the talent was being properly utilized.

I disagree, you will continue to get manhandled in the paint with the talent returning. If anyone saw the A-10 semi-finals yesterday you'll know what I'm saying. VCU and URI both won their games because they had adecisive advantage in size and strength in the paint.

Right now Duquesne would need two or more bigs with muscle and a degree of ability to compete with these teams. They also need one or two legitimate shooters from the wings who can be more consistent from 3-point range than our present group. I don't see a legitimate point guard on the team with the basketball IQ needed to run the team. So, in my opinion we DO NOT have the talent to win in the A-10. Assuming everyone returns you have two nice sophomores who are A-10 players in Mike and Mike, a serviceable forward in Sanders, and a senior in JRob that got that got minimal minutes this season. Add Eric James, Smith and Castro as backups at the guard spots and it's hard to see that team winning in the A-10.

I sure hope we can do better than Groce though. I'd rather see them bring Ron back than hire him.

CLK wrote:

Levon, I have to agree and disagree.  I think that a quality coach who can teach, develop and motivate his players can get a winning season next year.  The core is there.  You can't have a coach, who as Ferry use to say "throw the ball out there and let them figure it out".  Coaches by definition have to coach! The new coach will hopefully be able to recruit around this core.  I agree that we need a skilled big man and additional help inside, but we also need a coach that can teach and run a system that allows the cente


to touch the ball.  I always thought that if Mark Schmitd had JRob he could have developed him into a Moe Larry Cox.  His talents were wasted under Ferry.  The new coach will hopefully be able to hold on to some of the recruits, if not and we get a guy like Groce (just an example) who has made recruiting contacts with good players he can bring in the talent we need quickly.  I often wonder if DU did not have the shooting where we would have been with a healthy Baldinado and Ashalu in addition to the other talent Ron brought in in his first recruiting class.

Sorry, but JRob was never going to be Moe Allie Cox. The only thing in common is that Jordan is about as tall.  JRob could have been coached by Johnny f-en Wooden and he wouldn't play like Moe Allie

I'm sitting hear watching the A-20 final; and it's a mans game in the paint!  We would never handle these guys inside.  The compete level is high.  No place for the weak and under-sized!

levon1975 wrote:

CLK wrote:

Levon, I have to agree and disagree.  I think that a quality coach who can teach, develop and motivate his players can get a winning season next year.  The core is there.  You can't have a coach, who as Ferry use to say "throw the ball out there and let them figure it out".  Coaches by definition have to coach! The new coach will hopefully be able to recruit around this core.  I agree that we need a skilled big man and additional help inside, but we also need a coach that can teach and run a system that allows the cente


to touch the ball.  I always thought that if Mark Schmitd had JRob he could have developed him into a Moe Larry Cox.  His talents were wasted under Ferry.  The new coach will hopefully be able to hold on to some of the recruits, if not and we get a guy like Groce (just an example) who has made recruiting contacts with good players he can bring in the talent we need quickly.  I often wonder if DU did not have the shooting where we would have been with a healthy Baldinado and Ashalu in addition to the other talent Ron brought in in his first recruiting class.

Sorry, but JRob was never going to be Moe Allie Cox. The only thing in common is that Jordan is about as tall. JRob could have been coached by Johnny f-en Wooden and he wouldn't play like Moe Allie

I'll admit to a little hyperbole as Cox is a special player.  However my main point is that JRob's growth as a player was stunted under Ferry.  
 

CLK wrote:

levon1975 wrote:

CLK wrote:

Levon, I have to agree and disagree.  I think that a quality coach who can teach, develop and motivate his players can get a winning season next year.  The core is there.  You can't have a coach, who as Ferry use to say "throw the ball out there and let them figure it out".  Coaches by definition have to coach! The new coach will hopefully be able to recruit around this core.  I agree that we need a skilled big man and additional help inside, but we also need a coach that can teach and run a system that allows the cente


to touch the ball.  I always thought that if Mark Schmitd had JRob he could have developed him into a Moe Larry Cox.  His talents were wasted under Ferry.  The new coach will hopefully be able to hold on to some of the recruits, if not and we get a guy like Groce (just an example) who has made recruiting contacts with good players he can bring in the talent we need quickly.  I often wonder if DU did not have the shooting where we would have been with a healthy Baldinado and Ashalu in addition to the other talent Ron brought in in his first recruiting class.

Sorry, but JRob was never going to be Moe Allie Cox. The only thing in common is that Jordan is about as tall. JRob could have been coached by Johnny f-en Wooden and he wouldn't play like Moe Allie

I'll admit to a little hyperbole as Cox is a special player.  However my main point is that JRob's growth as a player was stunted under Ferry.  
 

 
I would consider "special player" a little bit of hyperbole as well. Mo Allie Cox is one of those guys who has the physical build and athleticism to be absolutely dominant on the defensive end and right underneath the basket against your average division one team, especially at the mid-major level. He benefits greatly from the fact that he has an NBA body right now while he is banging around in the post with kids that still have a lot of filling out to do. At the NBA level, basically every interior big man is built like him. That being said, in my opinion he lacks the skill and shooting ability to even make an NBA team, especially considering his lack of height for the center position. He's not the type of guy who can put a team on his back and win you games, he needs a distributor ad he is still more of a role player than star because of the above stated limitations. He is a very good college player, but likely will play in the d league or Europe after VCU. Your point is well taken though, I'm not trying to beat you up just throw my opinion in there as well.

The Dome wrote:

Gents Cox will be playing on Sundays with a totally different ball. 🏈

Agree. He is your prototypical NFL tightend.

levon, when I say another coach could win with our guys, I'm not talking title. I'm talking a better than .500 record. If you recall one of my posts a few weeks ago, I said very clearly that we need size inside.

 

CLK wrote:

Duques102 wrote:

CLK wrote:

I'll admit to a little hyperbole as Cox is a special player.  However my main point is that JRob's growth as a player was stunted under Ferry.  
 

 
I would consider "special player" a little bit of hyperbole as well. Mo Allie Cox is one of those guys who has the physical build and athleticism to be absolutely dominant on the defensive end and right underneath the basket against your average division one team, especially at the mid-major level. He benefits greatly from the fact that he has an NBA body right now while he is banging around in the post with kids that still have a lot of filling out to do. At the NBA level, basically every interior big man is built like him. That being said, in my opinion he lacks the skill and shooting ability to even make an NBA team, especially considering his lack of height for the center position. He's not the type of guy who can put a team on his back and win you games, he needs a distributor ad he is still more of a role player than star because of the above stated limitations. He is a very good college player, but likely will play in the d league or Europe after VCU. Your point is well taken though, I'm not trying to beat you up just throw my opinion in there as well.

My point about Ferry's inability to develop players got turned sideways, as was my point about a good coach with existing recruiting connections being able to back fill quickly.    Honestly I don't care about Cox.  It is hard to get you point across and stay on topic on this board sometimes with people searching for the fly poop in the pepper.  Glad you understand my point.

You nailed it with the JRob reference, CLK. Anyone could see that he had a quickness with his post moves that Lewis couldn't match. And Sanders is a 4 not a 5. So no PT for JRob early in the year. BTW, I'm getting on the Northwestern bandwagon. We do have more appearances than them for now.
 

KenOTR73 wrote:

CLK wrote:

Duques102 wrote:

 
I would consider "special player" a little bit of hyperbole as well. Mo Allie Cox is one of those guys who has the physical build and athleticism to be absolutely dominant on the defensive end and right underneath the basket against your average division one team, especially at the mid-major level. He benefits greatly from the fact that he has an NBA body right now while he is banging around in the post with kids that still have a lot of filling out to do. At the NBA level, basically every interior big man is built like him. That being said, in my opinion he lacks the skill and shooting ability to even make an NBA team, especially considering his lack of height for the center position. He's not the type of guy who can put a team on his back and win you games, he needs a distributor ad he is still more of a role player than star because of the above stated limitations. He is a very good college player, but likely will play in the d league or Europe after VCU. Your point is well taken though, I'm not trying to beat you up just throw my opinion in there as well.

My point about Ferry's inability to develop players got turned sideways, as was my point about a good coach with existing recruiting connections being able to back fill quickly.    Honestly I don't care about Cox.  It is hard to get you point across and stay on topic on this board sometimes with people searching for the fly poop in the pepper.  Glad you understand my point.

You nailed it with the JRob reference, CLK. Anyone could see that he had a quickness with his post moves that Lewis couldn't match. And Sanders is a 4 not a 5. So no PT for JRob early in the year. BTW, I'm getting on the Northwestern bandwagon. We do have more appearances than them for now.
 

You couldn't help but notice when, on the rare occasion that JRob entered the game there was a different thing happening on offense: Robinson posting up and looking for the ball, and his teammates looking to try to get it to him. His teammates obviously were aware that he has good hands and low post moves. We would see this activity for a couple minutes, then - back to the bench. What an utter waste!