I read that artitle earlier.  Zach is one of the few people it seems to call it like it is.  I feel he represents the fan base well.

CLK, you are right about these writers who don't take the time to truly evaluate Ferry's performance or track record.  Hello Paul Zeise, two winning seasons at LIU doesn't cut it.  And Paul, by the way we did hire a new President who attends games and understands the importance of BBall success.  I haven't read the twitter that apparently gave a good analysis as well, but it is inexcusable, despite the history, to be trashing DU as same old crap when we have a new AD, a new President, a new unified commitment and a willingness to expect and strive for better.  Hell, the Pittsburgh Sports writer just gave a more accurate explanation for letting JF go than anyone on the radio!  Go Dukes

Duques102 wrote:

http://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2017/03/13/duquesne-fires-jim-ferry/

Of all the analysis, Zach's is by far the best.   Thoughtful and insightful.    Not just "Why doesn't DU commit to anything?"   

Crowley's was a joke.  I like him, I hosted his radio show, he shouldn't be fired.  Great analysis.

Simms wrote:

CLK wrote:

Adam Crowley of ESPN is the latest of the hit pieces.  Check out the comments where DU fans call him out.  
http://espnpgh.iheart.com/onair/adam-crowley-55331/jim-ferry-wasnt-the-problem-at-15644964/?utm_source=Managed_Facebook
 

I was one of those commenters.  Im so tired of this media BS against Duquesne.  Yes, we have a bad track record.  So did the Pirates before Huntington.  Sports perception can change with one hire.

Agreed. I hate this idea that some Pittsburgh media people have that Duquesne is some place that no one can ever win at. I think Duquesne has a high ceiling now that it appears we have an administration that cares and is competent. It just takes hiring the right coach.

Simms wrote:

I know this doesn't mean much, but this video of my choice (Pat Kelsey) doing a dance for orientation is the type of stuff Duquesne Needs.  We really need someone to get the students and alumni excited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpePHHk8clU

If he doesn't win, it won't mean squat. We need to win.
 

Simms wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Simms wrote:

I know this doesn't mean much, but this video of my choice (Pat Kelsey) doing a dance for orientation is the type of stuff Duquesne Needs.  We really need someone to get the students and alumni excited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpePHHk8clU

If he doesn't win, it won't mean squat. We need to win.
 

Well of course.  Winning cures all.  But in the first couple of years, we need to at least get the students interested.  Ron did a good job of meeting with the Red and Blue Crew when he was first hired.  He bought us Pizza and gave me his cell phone number.  I'll never forget him pointing to our section after his first win of the season.  It helped to make the student section feel special, and 18 year olds are very impressionable.  If you make them feel like they are wanted, they are more likely to get involved.  

As for Wiinning, Kelsey's Records since leaving Xavier and coaching.  14-17, 20-13, 19-13, 23-9, 26-6.  

I know you have said that you would be excited with his hire so obviously I am not discounting what you said.  I also believe that Grant might be our best choice.  I just wanted to point out that having a splash hire is nice (as long as the splash isn't that your former coach used to throw basketballs at players).

Kelsey, Grant, Becker. These look like the best hires. I have my qualms about Rice, but I prefer him to some of those other names I'm hearing. Driscoll scares me. He has a decent pedigree, but his record is very Ferry-like. He's in a very low level league as well. I think Becker might be the best X and Os guy, while Grant might do the best job of upgrading the talent, especially with his NBA background. I want to see Moton in action Wednesday night. Coach K speaking highly of him caught my attention.

Obviously, Kevin Keatts blows every other candidate out of the water, but that's probably a pipe dream.
 

Geez, I remember Mike as a little kid.

NapaDuke wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Simms wrote:

Well of course.  Winning cures all.  But in the first couple of years, we need to at least get the students interested.  Ron did a good job of meeting with the Red and Blue Crew when he was first hired.  He bought us Pizza and gave me his cell phone number.  I'll never forget him pointing to our section after his first win of the season.  It helped to make the student section feel special, and 18 year olds are very impressionable.  If you make them feel like they are wanted, they are more likely to get involved.  

As for Wiinning, Kelsey's Records since leaving Xavier and coaching.  14-17, 20-13, 19-13, 23-9, 26-6.  

I know you have said that you would be excited with his hire so obviously I am not discounting what you said.  I also believe that Grant might be our best choice.  I just wanted to point out that having a splash hire is nice (as long as the splash isn't that your former coach used to throw basketballs at players).

Kelsey, Grant, Becker. These look like the best hires. I have my qualms about Rice, but I prefer him to some of those other names I'm hearing. Driscoll scares me. He has a decent pedigree, but his record is very Ferry-like. He's in a very low level league as well. I think Becker might be the best X and Os guy, while Grant might do the best job of upgrading the talent, especially with his NBA background. I want to see Moton in action Wednesday night. Coach K speaking highly of him caught my attention.

Obviously, Kevin Keatts blows every other candidate out of the water, but that's probably a pipe dream.
 

Rice knows how to win, and can clean up his resume by coming in here and winning.  It's a good bet that he has learned from his past and besides,  he has ties to DU.  

I like Rice too.  King Rice of Monmouth.

Dear Media:

At the end of year 5, we are 14th out of 14 A-10 teams and we are the 267th best Division 1 teams according to RPI.

Thank you

Duques102 wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

If you can't get the King, the prince just might be hungry for redemption.

I don't like Mike Rice solely for the baggage he brings. Could see it being a huge hurdle for recruiting and the media backlash would be rough, especially after seeing how they reaponded to a deserved firing.

Google Mike Rice Jr. and read what he has been doing these past couple of years in BB. I think he is worth a shot. Besides, this already is  DU BB at the bottom right now, he can't hurt that at all  and he clearly has learned some lessons.  Who ever does give him a chance is going to look good for it and he's the most likely coach out there  to bring us back from the bottom..

Duques102 wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

If you can't get the King, the prince just might be hungry for redemption.

I don't like Mike Rice solely for the baggage he brings. Could see it being a huge hurdle for recruiting and the media backlash would be rough, especially after seeing how they reaponded to a deserved firing.

All just speculation on my part. I don't know what Mr. Harper is looking for, who is actually available to us, and who the best of the lot might be. You guys seem to be more knowledgeable about the candidates so I'll just take a wait-and-see attitude.

Ferry shouldn't have been fired. It will just be another 5 year job for someone who's trying to turn things around and they will be fired. This administration has no patience. Had no patience with RE. Ferry had two really good freshman and a good recruiting class coming in. It just took 4-5 years to finally get players. He should have got at least another year. The only player that will be here with the new coach will be Tarin Smith, Eric James and walk ons. JROB and rene will graduate and transfer or quit basketball. Spencer will transfer, Sanders will go play in the MAAC closer to NY. After they hire the new coach Smith will have graduated and will play his last year at another school. However this is old news

I would hire Mike Rice if i were the AD. He has a bad history but he understands what type of job duquesne is and will be looking to redeem himself. He might not even be interested in this job. Duquesne is one of the worst jobs in D1 coaching jobs. Mike is  Someone who can get tough kids because at duquesne you are not going to out recruit other schools in the A10. Thats one thing that 99.9% of the people on this board don't understand. Hiring a coach that was at a low major school will no be the move because they will be shell shocked once they find out how duquesne operates. These renovations aren't going to happen for another two-three years, try selling that to recruits that we will play at AJP for a year then goto PPG, then play at the convention center for a year...

Insanity= doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. 

 

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Steel city AJ wrote:

Ferry shouldn't have been fired. It will just be another 5 year job for someone who's trying to turn things around and they will be fired. This administration has no patience. Had no patience with RE. Ferry had two really good freshman and a good recruiting class coming in. It just took 4-5 years to finally get players. He should have got at least another year. The only player that will be here with the new coach will be Tarin Smith, Eric James and walk ons. JROB and rene will graduate and transfer or quit basketball. Spencer will transfer, Sanders will go play in the MAAC closer to NY. After they hire the new coach Smith will have graduated and will play his last year at another school. However this is old news

I would hire Mike Rice if i were the AD. He has a bad history but he understands what type of job duquesne is and will be looking to redeem himself. He might not even be interested in this job. Duquesne is one of the worst jobs in D1 coaching jobs. Mike is  Someone who can get tough kids because at duquesne you are not going to out recruit other schools in the A10. Thats one thing that 99.9% of the people on this board don't understand. Hiring a coach that was at a low major school will no be the move because they will be shell shocked once they find out how duquesne operates. These renovations aren't going to happen for another two-three years, try selling that to recruits that we will play at AJP for a year then goto PPG, then play at the convention center for a year...

Insanity= doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. 

 

Perhaps the new coach will impress the new recruits and bring them in?  Maybe our new coach has good recruits at his current school who will want to follow him?  If we hire John Groce, his recruiting class is ranked 14th in the nation.  What if those players followed him?  We always assume doom and gloom, but we just have to wait and see.