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With Rutgers leaving BE tomorrow and in all likelihood Uconn or Louisville replacing Maryland in ACC, that leaves the Big East basketball conference a further mess of football wannabes and basketball schools. Last edited by duqkurt (11/23/2012 3:54 pm) With Rutgers leaving BE tomorrow and in all likelihood Uconn or Louisville replacing Maryland in ACC, that leaves the Big East basketball conference a further mess of football wannabes and basketball schools. The arrogant Villanovans would never stoop to this, that's why. They, and Georgetown will call the shots, and the teams in the A10 will jump. Those schools want no part of us, Bona, and the like. I forgot about St Johns. Even with two departures that puts them at 15 basketball schools. Can't see them adding a bb only school to that mix. I dont think this changes things for the A10 unless Umass gets a call. That would be desperate by the big east though. I dont think this changes things for the A10 unless Umass gets a call. That would be desperate by the big east though. Yes I would agree. I would love to welcome those schools but I dont think that point has arrived and the conference is already pretty large. I think the way they should be aggressive is to go after George Mason and Creighton. Both are attainable and I think convincing a BE school is a reach till the football money is all dried up. ESPN and Yuku Steve posted an artcle about SDSU and Boise State perhaps returning to Mountain West. Last edited by duqkurt (11/20/2012 8:27 am) Thinking about this a little bit more, if the western football schools bolt and Georgetown ends up in the ACC, why not try to take on two of the BE basketball schools? I think Georgetown is the glue that holds those guys together. If they're gone, I think the rest could fracture. I would target St John's and Marquette primarily. If you can't get them, try for Seton Hall or DePaul or try to get Temple back in the fold somehow. While I'd rather have Creighton than any of those schools, I think it makes more sense for the long term stability of the league to try cherry pick the core of those basketball only schools. Georgetown is not going to the ACC. Florida St. and Clemson would be out the door in a flash if that happened. They are pushing hard for Louisville to be chosen over UConn. We really need it to be Louisville instead of UConn. Thinking about this a little bit more, if the western football schools bolt and Georgetown ends up in the ACC, why not try to take on two of the BE basketball schools? I think Georgetown is the glue that holds those guys together. If they're gone, I think the rest could fracture. I would target St John's and Marquette primarily. If you can't get them, try for Seton Hall or DePaul or try to get Temple back in the fold somehow. While I'd rather have Creighton than any of those schools, I think it makes more sense for the long term stability of the league to try cherry pick the core of those basketball only schools. I think that before this happens you will see the basketball 7 of the Big East (St John's, Villanova, Gtown, Providence, SH, Marquette and DePaul) band together and try and pick off the best of the A10 a new conference. ESPN and Yuku Steve posted an artcle about SDSU and Boise State perhaps returning to Mountain West. The big concern for the BE is exactly that...BYU,San Diego St and Boise St rejoining the MWC. ESPN and Yuku Steve posted an artcle about SDSU and Boise State perhaps returning to Mountain West. The big concern for the BE is exactly that...BYU,San Diego St and Boise St rejoining the MWC. That is the next shoe to drop. If that happens, Big East football is done. But from what I am reading the Mountain West tv football money is horrible. A channel dedicated to Mountain West sports went belly up this year. For what it is worth, the poster WH on the A10 boards sees McGlade continuing to be aggressive and reaching out to select Big East Schools. And trying to get 4 of them to flip to make a 16 team A10. Last edited by duqkurt (11/20/2012 11:49 am) [ I just had a nightmare of a news conference in a year or two where the Big East is proud to again have a place in the Pittsburgh media market as they invite Robert Morris to join. [ I just had a nightmare of a news conference in a year or two where the Big East is proud to again have a place in the Pittsburgh media market as they invite Robert Morris to join. Of all the options out there, I seriously don't think that is one to be concerned about. Last edited by duqkurt (11/20/2012 1:32 pm) How about going after Marquette and DePaul and having two divisions and 16 teams: How about going after Marquette and DePaul and having two divisions and 16 teams: I like that also. Last edited by duqkurt (11/21/2012 6:55 pm) The fans (for the most part) on the A10 message board think we have the upper hand if the Big East completely falls apart. The fans on the miscellaneous BE basketball schools messages boards think it ludicous that the A10 schools think they have the upper hand. I really tend to agree with this line of thinking now and even if Boise St and SDSt are staying we really have a real prisoner's dilemma on our hands here. I think the A-10 can really take advantage of it, but it might be a reach to get Georgetown. I bet Bernie gets a nice Christmas card this year from the AD's at Depaul, Providence and Seton Hall as those programs have the most to lose and I bet we could pick two of them off easily. I think they might be able to do the same with . If the BE crumbles watch how fast Villanova actually gets the ball rolling on that long rumored D-I team so they can maximize profits in C-USA Agreed. And I hope Bernie returns the greetings. I would take two of those schools you mentioned. That would further weakened the remaining 5 trying to put together a new conference and leaving us out in the cold. You guys are dreaming. As long as the money is there, the hoops schools will be staying in the BE. Even if the BE falls apart, the Villanovas and Georgetowns of the world consider Duquesne, Bona, and LaSalle to be garbage, and want no part of being in a league with us, nor do they want the shared markets that GW, St. Joe's and Fordham would bring. Divide and conquer. You may be correct, but I don't want to think of the alternatives of being in MAAC. Divide and conquer. You may be correct, but I don't want to think of the alternatives of being in MAAC. I agree we'd have a chance. Especially if we started winning, but that's not what you guys are saying. You're saying that the A10 could land the likes of Villanova. That ain't gonna happen. Villanova, Georgetown, and St, John's will run whatever league they end up in if it's hoops only. We'd be sweating, and hoping for an invite.
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Is the A-10 in enough of a position of strength to reach out to 4 or 6 of the following:
Villanova
Marquette
Seton Hall
Georgetown
Providence
DePaul
That could take the A10 to as large as 18 teams. A large number but a conference of schools with similar philosophies.
I know there is money in a BCS conference but how attractive is a Houston/providence bb game? Or UCF/seton Hall. I bet this conference could take the place of the old Big East in the minds of many people.
Tell me why this couldn't work.
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Is the A-10 in enough of a position of strength to reach out to 4 or 6 of the following:
Villanova
Marquette
Seton Hall
Georgetown
Providence
DePaul
That could take the A10 to as large as 18 teams. A large number but a conference of schools with similar philosophies.
I know there is money in a BCS conference but how attractive is a Houston/providence bb game? Or UCF/seton Hall. I bet this conference could take the place of the old Big East in the minds of many people.
Tell me why this couldn't work.
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I would still love the A10 to try and make a play for some of
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Idaho Statesman has both schools denying the contact and saying they are committed to the Big East. If they leave the Big East, that would not be good for us. That might be the final nail in that coffin that breaks apart that Big East basketball football alliance. I hope some at DU is monitoring this situation better than they monitor internet audio.
San Diego newspaper has similiar denials from SDSU athletic director. Fans are against the move to the Big East. This isn't good for us at all. •
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The Big East death spiral has begun.
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UConn further fractures the basketball schools as they are an original Big East member. Reading in the west coast papers that TV money is still more significant in Big East. Big East might be reaching out to Fresno State, then they would have a true east west split and would travel fears for football would be lessened.
Big East football would be a true east/west split then. Right now they have Temple in the West. •
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Idaho Statesman has both schools denying the contact and saying they are committed to the Big East. If they leave the Big East, that would not be good for us. That might be the final nail in that coffin that breaks apart that Big East basketball football alliance. I hope some at DU is monitoring this situation better than they monitor internet audio.
San Diego newspaper has similiar denials from SDSU athletic director. Fans are against the move to the Big East. This isn't good for us at all.
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Idaho Statesman has both schools denying the contact and saying they are committed to the Big East. If they leave the Big East, that would not be good for us. That might be the final nail in that coffin that breaks apart that Big East basketball football alliance. I hope some at DU is monitoring this situation better than they monitor internet audio.
San Diego newspaper has similiar denials from SDSU athletic director. Fans are against the move to the Big East. This isn't good for us at all.
If they bolt, we have to sit around to see what happens to us. Either the A10 can get some BE basketball schools to join or the BE basketball schools will pick off the best of the A10. The only thing we have going for us is media market. Don't discount that is of importance, but I am not optimistic that we would not be left out in the cold. •
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He also said something else I didn't consider. X and Dayton like being the big dogs of the A10. He thinks if the Big East imploded, they would rather use their power to pick off the best of the Big East schools to the A10 rather than leave the A10 a new conference.
That makes sense to me. Cheaper that way too. You don't pay exit fees. If Bernie could some how pick off Marquette, St. John's, DePaul and Georgetown that would make the A10 even better. Wishful thinking I know.
The sentiment I am seeing from other posters on the A10 board is defiinitely towards keeping the A10 together and picking off the Big East schools. A poster from St. Joe's would love to leave exclude Villanova for the sentiments the duq81 expressed about the Villanova fan base. •
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If they bolt, we have to sit around to see what happens to us. Either the A10 can get some BE basketball schools to join or the BE basketball schools will pick off the best of the A10. The only thing we have going for us is media market. Don't discount that is of importance, but I am not optimistic that we would not be left out in the cold.
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If they bolt, we have to sit around to see what happens to us. Either the A10 can get some BE basketball schools to join or the BE basketball schools will pick off the best of the A10. The only thing we have going for us is media market. Don't discount that is of importance, but I am not optimistic that we would not be left out in the cold.
For all the complaining done about DU attendance, RMU had a reported attendance of 248 people last night. •
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San Diego St. reaffirms they are going to the Big East still, even with Connecticut or Louisville also leaving. I was reading some of their message boards and I really found at the majority of fans wanted to move forward with Big East football no matter how flawed. Their just isn't any TV money in Mountain West football.
Another interesting topic I read is the Aztec fans is they really blame ESPN for an East Coast bias that any chances of the revamped Big East football of working. •
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West - Duquesne, St. Louis, Butler, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Dayton, St. Bonaventure
East - UMass, St. Joseph’s, Fordham, LaSalle, Richmond, GWU, VCU, URI
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West - Duquesne, St. Louis, Butler, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Dayton, St. Bonaventure
East - UMass, St. Joseph’s, Fordham, LaSalle, Richmond, GWU, VCU, URI
I have been reading a bunch of articles about this today. I'm off today. LOL.
Boise State and SDSU have reaffirmed to the Big East. I think they are trying to get BYU to come in and replace Rutgers and then they will go after East Carolina to replace Louisville or Connecticut (to ACC). At this point, they don't want to head back to the Mountain West because there is just no TV money there.
So unless, the majority of these schools football schools - Connecticut, Cincinnati, Louisville and USF leave the Big East in the next month, San Diego State and Boise will be going to the Big East for football.
From what I have read the Big East bb only schools (7 of them) are committed to this football - basketball unholy alliance as long as it stays together.
The fans (for the most part) on the A10 message board think we have the upper hand if the Big East completely falls apart. The fans on the miscellaneous BE basketball schools messages boards think it ludicous that the A10 schools think they have the upper hand.
I honestly think the A10 has the upper hand because they will have contracts in place. A new conference would have to build from scratch. IMO. •
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I honestly think the A10 has the upper hand because they will have contracts in place. A new conference would have to build from scratch. IMO.
I doubt the A-10 grabs 4 and go to 18 teams. In fact I kinda hope they don't as I think even in an improved conference, there are only so many teams that will make the dance.
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We are not a shared market with any of those schools. And this is something I do know about. Duquesne's popularity in the market doesn't matter. The total households in the market matter. We would have a shot at inclusion. Certainly a better shot of inclusion with them over Bona, Lasalle or GW. •
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We are not a shared market with any of those schools. And this is something I do know about. Duquesne's popularity in the market doesn't matter. The total households in the market matter. We would have a shot at inclusion. Certainly a better shot of inclusion with them over Bona, Lasalle or GW.
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