Sounds like potentially good news with Washington, but we still have some unanswered questions regarding the scholarship situation. Thanks for investigating.

Duques102 wrote:

So I called Mike. He is a friend and really wants to provide accurate objective coverage of Duquesne basketball. He realizes that there will be increased demand for coverage in the coming years and wants to be the go to source for DU hoops news and info. Because of this fact, he has been able to compile a number of very reliables sources. He understands that it is mutually beneficial to both him and the program to provide accurate and insightful coverage of the program which in turn will raise the profile and provide accurate, positive exposure for DU hoops. He is being provided information by a member of the coaching staff as a source for the above stated reasons.

So clarification to the scholly situation:

Before Verhoeven committed mike asked his source how many remaining roster spots were left for next year. The response he got was two. When Verhoeven committed the coach told him that the next guy to bring in would "be a big".

Then the real info I didn't expect. The big in question is Nick Washington, he is coming to Duquesne. However, there is currently an issue regarding him qualifying this year which may or may not happen, I do not have any further details. If he doesn't qualify, he will be a 2018 recruit, either way it's pretty damn good news. He doesn't know how the roster scholarship situation is specifically being handled, but there will be one more player coming in this year.

P.S. Mike and I are currently laying out a plan to secure funding to provide beat writing covereage for DU men's basketball starting next season. I will be doing as much coverage as I can while balancing my job. I work in financial services and planning so luckily, I have a good bit of free time if you can't tell by the frequency of my posts. 😂

102, thanks for the information but I am still confused.  Given who committed before Verhoven we did have two scholarships left.  Then Verhoeven and Weathers took 2 slots.  Weathers committed after Verhoeven, right???

Nick Washington is a real mystery to me.  A poster in another thread talked about his scoring ability and rebounding.  Could not really find any season stats that reflects this,or who else offered him, but in the link below for South Kent it goes give individual scoring in the game recaps . Looking at these recaps Washington seems to be more of a bench player with the limited scoring.  I am not knocking the kid just pointing out what I see.  I trust Coach D to build this team so if he gives him a scholarship I am sure he will fit in.

http://southkentschool.org/athletics/athletic-teams/prep-basketball
 

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CLK wrote:

Duques102 wrote:

So I called Mike. He is a friend and really wants to provide accurate objective coverage of Duquesne basketball. He realizes that there will be increased demand for coverage in the coming years and wants to be the go to source for DU hoops news and info. Because of this fact, he has been able to compile a number of very reliables sources. He understands that it is mutually beneficial to both him and the program to provide accurate and insightful coverage of the program which in turn will raise the profile and provide accurate, positive exposure for DU hoops. He is being provided information by a member of the coaching staff as a source for the above stated reasons.

So clarification to the scholly situation:

Before Verhoeven committed mike asked his source how many remaining roster spots were left for next year. The response he got was two. When Verhoeven committed the coach told him that the next guy to bring in would "be a big".

Then the real info I didn't expect. The big in question is Nick Washington, he is coming to Duquesne. However, there is currently an issue regarding him qualifying this year which may or may not happen, I do not have any further details. If he doesn't qualify, he will be a 2018 recruit, either way it's pretty damn good news. He doesn't know how the roster scholarship situation is specifically being handled, but there will be one more player coming in this year.

P.S. Mike and I are currently laying out a plan to secure funding to provide beat writing covereage for DU men's basketball starting next season. I will be doing as much coverage as I can while balancing my job. I work in financial services and planning so luckily, I have a good bit of free time if you can't tell by the frequency of my posts. 😂

102, thanks for the information but I am still confused.  Given who committed before Verhoven we did have two scholarships left.  Then Verhoeven and Weathers took 2 slots.  Weathers committed after Verhoeven, right???
 

 
this is a good point I'll ask him about weathers and get back to you. Mike is also pretty familiar with Harper, they were exchanging messages during the coaching search.

Bill Barton was Washington's coach??  Interesting.  I wonder what Barton would say about the young man?

very useful insight. i follow a lot of small money sports, so i'm always very pleased to see when reporters dedicate their craft to something like Duquesne

Yeah he doesn't sound like he'll be anything. 

Phildog wrote:

This whole Nick Washington thread sounds like a "B S Tip ",  what reporter gives up their sources to a blog that anyone can read!

I am more interested in the real recruits and program press releases.

Thanks for your opinion, it's not bs. For your information this is the number one place to reach the target audience. The point is to get people to read Phil, that's kind of how it works. No sources have been given up, no names have been named. If you want to stick to the "real coverage" read the athletic website news releases, which come out once every couple weeks after stuff happens.

Mike has won AP awards in the past for producing the Bob Pompeani sports show for over 15 years so I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing. But hey, if you don't want to read this thread, don't.

townsonkid wrote:

Article today says he should know about his academic situation by the end of next week, and that he wants to be a Duke.  Even if he is in the clear, how does DU get room for another scholarship player?  

 
Once again as stated above, he told me he was unsure how the roster/scholarship situation is going to be handled, but if Washington qualifies for 2017, he will absolutely be coming in.

That is something that can be handled in a number of ways by the staff and we have talked about all possible options in the past. Somebody pays their own way for one year, someone is a preferred walkon for a year, split scholarships with academic aid, etc. the detail of how it happens can only be a few different avenues, the details of which don't really seem all that important, as long as they make it happen.

Again, just to clarify, you get 13 scholarship players. Period. The scholarships can't be split. The details do have to matter because the last thing we need is for some inane NCAA rule/guideline to be violated and for that to come back and haunt us. We've suffered enough, darn it.

This means one of three things:
1. One current or committed scholarship will not be on campus in the fall, for whatever reason. By committed, I'm referring to the four transfers from other D1 programs. Since another big would be added, I'd wonder whether Jordan Robinson's injury would affect the future of his playing career, or whether he's graduating and moving somewhere where he could play right away. Losing Smith or Littleson under the circumstances would devastate the backcourt. This would still give us only nine active scholarship players next year.
2. A two-sport athlete could play, for example, football and basketball and come here on a gridiron scholarship like Kellon Taylor, but wouldn't be available to the team when the other sport is in session. I haven't heard anything about any of our recruits falling into that category. We've had players who have competed in both basketball and track, BTW.
3. As 102 said above, they could come here as a walk-on and pay their own way until a scholarship opens. If your family has the bucks, if this is really where you want to come, and if your ego can handle it, why not? Jason Duty played more than some scholarship players before Coach Everhart rewarded him with a scholarship.

I have no issues with any kid that Coach Dambrot is recruiting, regardless of their HS or prep stats. Mike Lewis II is the perfect example of a kid who played on a talented team who had less than stellar stats but who blossomed into a star at this level. These guys are being scouted by a professional staff that can evaluate their strengths and weaknesses, and where they'd fit into the program.
 

ElDuque wrote:

Again, just to clarify, you get 13 scholarship players. Period. The scholarships can't be split. The details do have to matter because the last thing we need is for some inane NCAA rule/guideline to be violated and for that to come back and haunt us. We've suffered enough, darn it.

This means one of three things:
1. One current or committed scholarship will not be on campus in the fall, for whatever reason. By committed, I'm referring to the four transfers from other D1 programs. Since another big would be added, I'd wonder whether Jordan Robinson's injury would affect the future of his playing career, or whether he's graduating and moving somewhere where he could play right away. Losing Smith or Littleson under the circumstances would devastate the backcourt. This would still give us only nine active scholarship players next year.
2. A two-sport athlete could play, for example, football and basketball and come here on a gridiron scholarship like Kellon Taylor, but wouldn't be available to the team when the other sport is in session. I haven't heard anything about any of our recruits falling into that category. We've had players who have competed in both basketball and track, BTW.
3. As 102 said above, they could come here as a walk-on and pay their own way until a scholarship opens. If your family has the bucks, if this is really where you want to come, and if your ego can handle it, why not? Jason Duty played more than some scholarship players before Coach Everhart rewarded him with a scholarship.

I have no issues with any kid that Coach Dambrot is recruiting, regardless of their HS or prep stats. Mike Lewis II is the perfect example of a kid who played on a talented team who had less than stellar stats but who blossomed into a star at this level. These guys are being scouted by a professional staff that can evaluate their strengths and weaknesses, and where they'd fit into the program.
 

 

I agree the details matter from the standpoint that you don't want to commit a violation, but do you really think Dambrot and his staff would intentionally do something illegal? No way, he has almost two decades of experience at this level, so he knows the rules and how to work within them.

Not saying your wrong but how do you know scholarships cannot be split? I can tell you for a fact they can be in other d1 sports. For example, division 1 soccer programs get 10 full scholarships per team. There are generally 25-28 players on a team. When I was recruited to play soccer at Duquesne I was offered to have 1/3 of my tuition covered by athletic money, and also received some academic scholarships. In that model you get more athletic money year to year based on how much you contribute to the team. Your saying you can't do that for d1 hoops? I just find that surprising that they would have different rules for different sports.

Here is the article washpa:

http://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2017/04/27/thursday-recruiting-notebook-11/amp/

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CLK wrote:

NCAA I basketball is a headcount sport, so the athletic scholarship limits of 13 for men and 15 for women are the limit;  This means the max number of any type of athletic scholarship is limited to 13.  You can have walk on that receive academic awards or scholarships that are not based on athletics.

On Washington, is it possible he would be a walk on?  

There is so little available on Washington. I am not sure if he has any other scholarship offers. Thus, it is conceivable that he is being looked at as a preferred walk on at this point.

Dukes2012 wrote:

CLK wrote:

NCAA I basketball is a headcount sport, so the athletic scholarship limits of 13 for men and 15 for women are the limit;  This means the max number of any type of athletic scholarship is limited to 13.  You can have walk on that receive academic awards or scholarships that are not based on athletics.

On Washington, is it possible he would be a walk on?  

There is so little available on Washington. I am not sure if he has any other scholarship offers. Thus, it is conceivable that he is being looked at as a preferred walk on at this point.

 
That could be it. Was this not the kid that was being recruited by Georgetown??? I thought there was excitement on the board about him when his name first came up. I haven't looked into him much as I thought the roster was already composed myself.