Really?  Are you serious?  I had no problems with the article at all.  It was blunt and honest.  Our program under RE (who I didn't realize was as good as Mike Krzyzewski) wasn't quite able to make it to the next level where we would have been considered for admission into the conference. Ron did a great job, but he never got us the NCAA tournament, and never was able to get any team there prior to Duquesne either.  Move on.  

And let's not kid ourselves, Richmond has made the NCAA tourney recently and had a lot of success under Chris Mooney, yet they won't get an invite either.  People on this board are freaking delusional.  Our team sucked for 30 years and hasn't been relevant since before I was born.  This past year had absolutely no bearing on us making the tournament.   One NIT in five years does not get you into the Big East.  Rather than Complaining about the Big East raiding us, and calling the new A10 the next MAAC (not true at all), we should consider how we could come out of this situation in a decent manner.  I've discussed some of the teams we should add on other forums, but I'd rather not speculate.  

Also, why the personal attacks on Ferry?  I thought you said you would support the new coach?  Sure, he hasn't proven himself, and I would argue that Ron would've won more games this year, but you troll everything he does.  You even slammed Watkins and whether he will be good or not.  Why I am feeding you, I have no idea, but regardless, you need to relax. If Ferry continues to be as bad as he has been this year, then by all means, continue to complain.  I didn't expect much out of this year.  I don't see people at Rhode Island complaining because Hurley didn't get them to the NIT whereas Baron consistently could.  

Thank you Simms!  I am with you 100% and tried to address in a similiar fashion in a response to a separate thread this afternoon.  It is good to see some realistic posts in response to the negative, emotional outbursts that seem all to prevalent on this Board.  As you said "Move On"!!!

Perhaps GA is speaking as X's athletic director as to why DU didn't get in.  

Thanks DKurt, fair enough.  How many scholies do you think we end up with for next year?  I said to a buddy within less than a year we'll have a pretty good idea of the caliber of player that JF is recruiting with the Spring signing period coming up and then the early signing period happening in November.

MrBrightside wrote:

Thank you Simms!  I am with you 100% and tried to address in a similiar fashion in a response to a separate thread this afternoon.  It is good to see some realistic posts in response to the negative, emotional outbursts that seem all to prevalent on this Board.  As you said "Move On"!!!

Mr. Brightside, see my response to Simms and Steve, since you have decided to piggy back their post, and not address me directly.
 

Scotch, let me clarify some of your statements.  

GA was being honest about us being earners.  As I said in my post, even if we had made the NCAA tourney last year or during Jackson's year, we would not be earners.  It takes sustained success.  You are correct in the fact that he has not succeeded, but he is trying (alledgedly).  I know you hate GA and that can't be denied, but usually an AD is given TWO coaching changes to make an impact.  Our facilities have improved a lot (which you claim Ron got the money for, so I suppose that isn't something you acknowledge) which should help us become earners in the future.

Let's review how you stated Ferry's coaching record:   

"Hey Mr. D. I have an idea, lets get a guy who is just above .500 and not equal to the guy we fired and give him a raise."  

You claimed in your post that he is not equal to Everhart despite having no way of knowing such a thing.  Everhart was 2 wins above 500 when we hired him (174-172).  The difference is that Ferry has been to the NCAA tourney twice.  We have seen one season of Ferry at Duquesne yet you claim he is not equal to Everhart.  How can you make such a claim?  A scientist would demand more data, as should everyone else.  If you had written, "Let's replace him with someone who isn't going to do as well as Everhart did in the first season." then yes, I would've felt your statement was justified.  

While you don't attack everything he does, I haven't found one truly positive post about the coach since he was hired.  Mostly you talk about how he was a backup to Dambrot (as mentioned above). I would've suspected you to at least praise the WVU win (which everyone was excited about) but since you predicted we would lose (badly) due to Everhart's knowledge of the team, perhaps you steered clear of that thread.  Can you provide me with a post where you speak to Ferry's strengths as a coach, or about how anything good could possibly come from his hiring?  Even from earlier in the season when we still had some hope.  

I didn't mentioned you when talking about the new league.  I said the board was delusion.  People on here (not all) have acted like GA or CD can call up the other C7 schools and get invited.  Others complain about how much it will suck once the other schools leave the A10.  Personally, I think it might be better for us if we can add a Davidson, GMU, and Siena.  We could compete better and the league would still be good.  Not 4 bid good, but hopefully 2 every year, with 3 bids possible.  

Your post about Watkins was rooted in a negative conotation from the start.  Everyone knows that every recruit is a question mark and nothing is a guarantee.  Yet you had nothing good to say about either recruit (Watkins and Robinson).  We are obviously rebuilding, so one area where the fans can be excited about is recruiting.  Yet, for some reason, you don't want to get excited about our two (alledgedly) good recruits so far.  Why not?

The bottom line is that you have a personal agenda on this board to slam the Administration.  I get that you want Amodio gone.  I don't have a reading comprehension problem, but I do find that reading the same opinions over and over again gets rather tedius.  

Simms wrote:

Scotch, let me clarify some of your statements.  

GA was being honest about us being earners.  As I said in my post, even if we had made the NCAA tourney last year or during Jackson's year, we would not be earners.  It takes sustained success.  You are correct in the fact that he has not succeeded, but he is trying (alledgedly).  I know you hate GA and that can't be denied, but usually an AD is given TWO coaching changes to make an impact.  Our facilities have improved a lot (which you claim Ron got the money for, so I suppose that isn't something you acknowledge) which should help us become earners in the future.

Let's review how you stated Ferry's coaching record:   

"Hey Mr. D. I have an idea, lets get a guy who is just above .500 and not equal to the guy we fired and give him a raise."  

You claimed in your post that he is not equal to Everhart despite having no way of knowing such a thing.  Everhart was 2 wins above 500 when we hired him (174-172).  The difference is that Ferry has been to the NCAA tourney twice.  We have seen one season of Ferry at Duquesne yet you claim he is not equal to Everhart.  How can you make such a claim?  A scientist would demand more data, as should everyone else.  If you had written, "Let's replace him with someone who isn't going to do as well as Everhart did in the first season." then yes, I would've felt your statement was justified.  

While you don't attack everything he does, I haven't found one truly positive post about the coach since he was hired.  Mostly you talk about how he was a backup to Dambrot (as mentioned above). I would've suspected you to at least praise the WVU win (which everyone was excited about) but since you predicted we would lose (badly) due to Everhart's knowledge of the team, perhaps you steered clear of that thread.  Can you provide me with a post where you speak to Ferry's strengths as a coach, or about how anything good could possibly come from his hiring?  Even from earlier in the season when we still had some hope.  

I didn't mentioned you when talking about the new league.  I said the board was delusion.  People on here (not all) have acted like GA or CD can call up the other C7 schools and get invited.  Others complain about how much it will suck once the other schools leave the A10.  Personally, I think it might be better for us if we can add a Davidson, GMU, and Siena.  We could compete better and the league would still be good.  Not 4 bid good, but hopefully 2 every year, with 3 bids possible.  

Your post about Watkins was rooted in a negative conotation from the start.  Everyone knows that every recruit is a question mark and nothing is a guarantee.  Yet you had nothing good to say about either recruit (Watkins and Robinson).  We are obviously rebuilding, so one area where the fans can be excited about is recruiting.  Yet, for some reason, you don't want to get excited about our two (alledgedly) good recruits so far.  Why not?

The bottom line is that you have a personal agenda on this board to slam the Administration.  I get that you want Amodio gone.  I don't have a reading comprehension problem, but I do find that reading the same opinions over and over again gets rather tedius.  

 Not equal in time frame to get into any post season play, not equal in years of experience as a head coach, Not equal at D1 wins and losses, He does have an outstanding record at the lower level schools, and they split on conference titles. He wins for post season 2 NCAA's Vs 3 NIT's and 2 CBI's or maybe a push. I never looked at Ferry's lower league stats until now, so I'll concede to they are close to being equal.

I do not slam the administration, no one can prove that anything I have disclosed to this board to be not true. The truth hurts sometimes, and as I told Steve. My only reason to come on to this board was to open the eyes of the faithful of how poorly this place is run. The handling of the firing, lack of student attendence, lack of marketing campaign, lack of game day environment, it is what it is. I do not speek of evaluation of players or team, not my pedigree. No negative conotation on recruits, that discussion was me trying to give reason as to why some players where asked to transfer, they looked good on paper but did not work out once the got to D1.

I have always said RE should not have hired high school coaches as assistants, that's who is the core to recruiting.

My rant was purely about what the way I saw the article was GA and CD standing together and saying we have failed to be earners, and the best thing we had in years we let go, he did what we asked him, and we did not capitolize on it. Yea give them credit for being honest, but does that not get your goat that they are willing to say we have failed to move upward with the recent success the coach brought us.

As far as not commenting on the WVU win, I don't comment on any win or loss until yesterday, so I chose a loss. Your right I did predict a big loss, thought RE would have the key to the safe, turns out Huggins did not, as far as RE, his game plan was not used IMO he's not the head coach.


 

Listen, I don't think that GA should be off the hook at all.  If Ferry continues to suck, then they both should be fired.  I haven't been impressed with Ferry this season besides his recruiting efforts.  I just think it's too early to think he is a loser and that we can't get better.  Only time will tell.  And for the record, I wish Ron was here this year.  I loved him.  I just get tired of the rants about the AD and how he is awful.

Like I said, GA is on the hook with the Ferry hire, for better or worse, which is as it should be.  What if he kept Ron Iron Duke 81, then what?  Would you still blame GA and just give Dr. D all the credit?  Would you then complain that GA was indecisive?  Clearly this year would not have been much better with RE at the helm, not about his coaching, just the quality of players, his recruits included!  Maybe they pull out 4 more wins, so what.  And to argue that Dr. D doesn't rely on input from GA, please give me a break.  I don't care one way or the other about GA, but I refuse to buy the "everything is his fault" mentallity that you can't seem to let go of.  As Simms said in a prior post, move on for crum sakes!!!

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MrBrightside wrote:

Like I said, GA is on the hook with the Ferry hire, for better or worse, which is as it should be.  What if he kept Ron Iron Duke 81, then what?  Would you still blame GA and just give Dr. D all the credit?  Would you then complain that GA was indecisive?  Clearly this year would not have been much better with RE at the helm, not about his coaching, just the quality of players, his recruits included!  Maybe they pull out 4 more wins, so what.  And to argue that Dr. D doesn't rely on input from GA, please give me a break.  I don't care one way or the other about GA, but I refuse to buy the "everything is his fault" mentallity that you can't seem to let go of.  As Simms said in a prior post, move on for crum sakes!!!

 
I edited your post.  You know why.

Disagree on the above comment. Ron deserved more time, and I can not let go of the way Amodio treated him. 

http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/3068802-74/ferry-class-duquesne-game-freshmen-points-everhart-forward-minutes-pac#axzz2NAT0Nt4k
 

One additional thing for the apologists to ponder, how is GA overall hiring record on coachs?

With the exception of SMS, not so hot.  

Men's basketball - he thought his own hire wasn't doing the job so he fired him.
Football - I believe he hired the football coach Jerry Schimdt.   Underperformed this year, heat is on the football coach this year.
Men's soccer- After Wade Jean resigned, GA hired Ouiment who was fired or asked to resign this year.  Amodio hired the new guy starting this year.
Women's soccer - On the third coach I believe, all that he has hired.   Hired the original coach, the guy from Penn State and the current coach.  Pathetic team. 
Women's lax -  His hire.   Program has come nowhere close to beating a ranked team or beating the top A10 teams.
Women's volleyball -  Opperman apparently has pictures of board members doing something.  Career A10 record 50 games under .500.  Doesn't come close to winning a set off a ranked team or an upper ranked A-10 program. 

So his overall hiring record is not so hot.   Isn't one of jobs of the AD is to hire coachs?   Lasalle, Bonas, Fordham, everyone has won something.  

Why isn't his overall hiring record considered in whether to retain him?

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Wow, what an articulate argument Iron Duke 81, can't come up with a counter to those well thought out positions - as if they haven't been rebutted enough already by several on this Board.  It's just the same thing over and over again with you and yes I do believe the majority of the faithful saw where the program was going the last couple of years of RE's tenure and thought the decision was the right one, but hey it was all part of GA's diabolical plan to make RE look bad!  PLEASEEEEE.  Write what you want, you are entitled, but I will not go around and around on the same crap any longer.  Westender, your perspective is logical, but frankly illustrates the easy road that GA elected not to take!!!  Tough decisions aren't meant to appease the masses - whether they are right or wrong.  You guys can whine all you want about GA this and GA that, I don't know or care about him enough, but I can tell you that I think he made the right and tough call concerning RE.  CLK you can ban me if you want, but RE reported to GA who reported to Charlie and he gave the truthful assessment to Charlie of where we were in the memo, simple as that.  All the speculation about trying to disgrace RE is just not credible in my view as it wasn't necessary to do so to achieve the end result.  You can think I worship at the alter of GA so shoot me down and say I'm a GA apologist, but not so - frankly, I see legitimate points that are raised by DuqKurt that should be answered.  Anyway, I'll be back on Board when the focus is on recruiting and basketball.