I share pretty much the same thoughts as you do.  It was a tremendously disheartening season.  As as a result IMO of self-inflicted wounds on the men's side.  I simply have no faith in Duquesne's leaders. None.  

I checked out of listening to the men's team after the RMU loss. I didn't watch or listen to any A10 games.  Those beat downs and melt downs, I was happy to live without experiencing that first hand.

I went all in on the women's team.  

It is what it is.  Yet another bitter pill to swallow.

Last edited by duqkurt (3/10/2013 12:28 pm)

BTW, hopefully we have seen the last of "Ferry small ball" with Kadeem at Center. I honestly did not understand why more playing time was not given to Datt and D-Mart to build for the future. It leads me to conlude that with three new bigs for next year, D-Mart & Datt have no or very limited future with this team. If that is the case, it would be best for all if they transfer.  If they both leave there will be three scholarships still available for this spring.  If that happens here would be my RX for this team:

1) It is very important that Ferry land either Severe or Notice.  It looks like Severe has gone postal with numerous BCS teams after him including Pitt.  I think he is a very long shot at this point.  More likely is Duane Notice.  He is visiting SBU this weekend, and will visit DU next weekend.  This is one we have to win.
2) We need another PG with a great handle who can run an uptempo offense.  We are recruiting a couple JUCO points in this regard.
3) If both D-Mart and Datt transfer I would go for the best JUCO PF/C that I could recruit.  This would take some pressure off of Watkins & Robinson as freshman.

My starting group would be:

Colter, Notice ( if we can get him), Winters, Soko, New JUCC center

Next five:

New JUCO PG, Indy Jones, Kadeem, Watkins & Robinson.

This would allow us to go 10 deep with 9 of them being Ferry's guys.  This would reshuffle as the freshman gain experience.  I am sure others could find other combos, but that would be mine

Last edited by CLK (3/10/2013 12:14 pm)

CLK I do agree 1000% with your assessment for next year and the current roster, but I would disagree somewhat with you and Simms as to all the "blowouts".  In large part the kids played hard, they just didn't have the talent level to win more or finish, but they were in the vast majority of games.  So far I like Ferry's preparation and despite your assessment of Ferry I believe it is way too early to judge him.  From what I have heard from people that attended his practices, there was much more of a sense of organization, teaching and structure than what we had in the past.  Anyway it doesn't really matter unless they progress as Simms suggested with double the wins next year and then 20 + the year after.  If that doesn't happen my patience will have reached it's end.

That win at Boston College was indeed glorious!  Everhart wasn't even there.  He coached from his hospital bed.

Don't forget that BC was shorthanded too.  Jared Dudley (foot injury) didn't play for BC, nor did Oates.  A huge loss for Boston College not having Jared Dudley...

Bilgy wrote:

That win at Boston College was indeed glorious!  Everhart wasn't even there.  He coached from his hospital bed.

Him and Jamie Dixon.

CLK wrote:

BTW, hopefully we have seen the last of "Ferry small ball" with Kadeem at Center. I honestly did not understand why more playing time was not given to Datt and D-Mart to build for the future. It leads me to conlude that with three new bigs for next year, D-Mart & Datt have no or very limited future with this team. If that is the case, it would be best for all if they transfer.  If they both leave there will be three scholarships still available for this spring.  If that happens here would be my RX for this team:

1) It is very important that Ferry land either Severe or Notice.  It looks like Severe has gone postal with numerous BCS teams after him including Pitt.  I think he is a very long shot at this point.  More likely is Duane Notice.  He is visiting SBU this weekend, and will visit DU next weekend.  This is one we have to win.
2) We need another PG with a great handle who can run an uptempo offense.  We are recruiting a couple JUCO points in this regard.
3) If both D-Mart and Datt transfer I would go for the best JUCO PF/C that I could recruit.  This would take some pressure off of Watkins & Robinson as freshman.

My starting group would be:

Colter, Notice ( if we can get him), Winters, Soko, New JUCC center

Next five:

New JUCO PG, Indy Jones, Kadeem, Watkins & Robinson.

This would allow us to go 10 deep with 9 of them being Ferry's guys.  This would reshuffle as the freshman gain experience.  I am sure others could find other combos, but that would be mine

It's funny, I went and looked at the posts on the Scout board from around this time last year, and most of the posters were very negative, especially about "small ball", and our lack of returning inside players. Most were negative about the future, and a vocal minority was calling for Ron's head. One poster who now claims to be an RE supporter, was very negative towards him in this thread ( http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=420&f=1319&t=8738095 ) I wonder if the AD was reading the board, and was influenced by the tone of discussion, especially after TJ announced he was leaving.

This old article, which was written right before Ron was let go, really lays it out there, pointing out Ron's strong points, as well as his warts.  http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/2012/3/21/2889332/duquesne-basketball-ron-everhart-tj-mcconnell-ncaa-atlantic-10

Last edited by duq81 (3/10/2013 11:15 pm)

FAM wrote:

Actually duq81, I was going to post a similar post.  Things don't change much from year to year with Duquesne University basketball.  If you also look after the NCAA's began we will see:

-Complaints about the AD
-Complaints about the team
-Questions on who would transfer
-Questions on who we could recruit

Difference last year was the selfish player who went to Arizona and then the big news of RE getting fired....if you go back 10 years albeit when RE was hired and a year after that, things really haven't changed that much as far as our reflections - all based on DU bball being terrible.  Just sayin/
 

It's not just restricted to Duquesne FAM. When I lurk over on the Pitt football boards, it's pretty the exact same posts as I read here. There is a group of posters who hate Steve Pederson's guts. Posters who are still angry that Wanny, who was similar to RE in being a very nice guy, who the alums liked, was fired, and that the firing was done in a sloppy fashion. I would guess you could visit the boards of other teams, and see the same thing. I don't have a problem with anyone who thinks that GA needs to go. I just get sick of being beatean over the head with it. They constantly bring up RE, then get angry when someone decides to debate RE's merits. It reminds me a poster in Colleary's last days, who turned every single thread into a diatribe against BC. BC had almost no support by then, but this guy wouldn't even let us talk about the games or anything else. If you complained about it, you were a lackey for BC. We ended up having to ban him.

Ron is gone. Time to move on.