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6/16/2017 10:49 am  #1


The coaching turnover this year

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-changes-tracker-milwaukees-lavall-jordan-to-butler/

I would love it if a reporter would ask Mr. Harper the question of what REALLY happened during the job search. I heard from reliable sources that certain coaches were offered the position, and we read 3-4 stories about ones that turned the job down (King Rice, for example). Then Mr. Harper, when Coach Dambrot was introduced, talked about a long process of meeting, during which it doesn't seem so feasible that so many offers were made.

I know it's all water under the bridge and I'm not looking to belabor the topic. My only thought was if it wasn't the show it was portrayed to be, that it might be worth clarifying. I'm probably thinking that way because I'm still seething about the media morons -- mediarons -- who seemed to take great delight in our apparent pain. Mr. Harper may have a completely different perspective (in fact I'm sure he does!).

My guess: The search agency reached out to these coaches and interviewed them. Word got out in some cases and "conversations" turned into "offers." Possible too that the minute Mr. Harper had a conversation with each guy for whom speculation was created.

I keep thinking that Mr. Harper made as good a hire as we could make, and that's the bottom line.

 

6/16/2017 11:44 am  #2


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I share your skepticism, ED. A mere phone call (not a job offer) could trigger a "news leak" meant to wheedle a pay raise or an improvement in working conditions from a reluctant athletic director. 

 

6/16/2017 1:14 pm  #3


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Doesn't matter now. It could not have turned out any better. The program got the best possible result they could have gotten..

 

6/16/2017 1:58 pm  #4


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I know Westender. I just get frustrated every time I see a new reference to the alleged poop show.

Happy summer sir!

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6/16/2017 5:13 pm  #5


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ElDuque wrote:

I know Westender. I just get frustrated every time I see a new reference to the alleged poop show.

Happy summer sir!

No way would Harper ever reveal the job being turned down to a reporter.
 

 

6/16/2017 7:56 pm  #6


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No, but he could put to rest any that were never actually offered. Although there's really nothing to gain and you might tick off someone who used us to get a raise or extension.

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6/16/2017 8:37 pm  #7


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ElDuque wrote:

No, but he could put to rest any that were never actually offered. Although there's really nothing to gain and you might tick off someone who used us to get a raise or extension.

No need to piss anyone off for basically no reason.
 

 

6/17/2017 8:11 am  #8


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The end result was that we got the coach who rebuilt the roster and retained some veteran returnees who really want to play for KD.

Reporting of news these days has become so unreliable that it is best forgotten.

I am excited for the coming year/ years and don't care what some write.


A diehard fan since 1961
 

6/17/2017 9:28 am  #9


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There was one of two things happening during the Duquesne coaching search. 

1) Someone was leaking info either from the search firm or the athletic department
2) Someone or multiple individuals were able to pass themselves off as credible sources and play the media. 

Personally, I think there was a hole in the dike and the coaching search went down the way it was described in the media in the sense that candidates mentioned were approached and ultimately, could not come to terms with Duquesne. I'm not sure how close these candidates were to getting hired when the talks broke down and I doubt all were imminent. Based on information I received from multiple, albeit second hand sources (at least one connected to Monmouth), I believe King Rice was very, very close. I don't think some of the rest were close at all. 

We are never going to hear from Harper that Dambrot was anything but his top choice and I have no problem with that. You immediately create credibility issues for him if you say otherwise. For me, Dambrot wasn't even on my list pre-search because I didn't think he was a realistic option. For what it's worth, Rice was one, Fife was two, Groce was three though I'd have slotted Dambrot in ahead of Groce. Clearly, I think he's a great choice, but when he's viewed as a fifth or sixth choice, that damages his position with coaches, fans and recruits. 

I do think there is a way to reconcile parts of everything being true. It is possible that Dambrot was the first choice. We know he was approached by South Florida and other schools while Akron was still involved in the NIT. At that time, he could have easily been the first candidate the firm targeted, but told them no or not now. Everyone moved on! We also know that Harper was away from his family for much of the duration of the coaching search. If they were all in on Dambrot, why would he be camped out in a town that's an easy day trip from Pittsburgh? The most logical explanation of that is Harper compulsive White Castle binger and he was hospitalized with severe diarrhea after eating there.  Of course, that's not very logical. 

My best guess is that they started with Dambrot, Kelsey and Rice as their top choices. When Dambrot went lukewarm and Kelsey verbally committed to UMass, they focussed on Rice. When that went south, Harper went North to Vermont specifically. Becker talks barely got off the ground and were done by the time they were even reported as close. He then headed home briefly to ask for more money and Fife entered conversation. That broke down and he moved onto the Ball St coach who got offered significantly less than the advertised going rate for other candidates and rejected the deal on principle. Rather than scrape the bottom of the barrel, he went back to the top candidates and offered more. Dambrot bit and here we are. 

 

6/17/2017 9:52 am  #10


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Steve you may not have seen this post last March from Zachery Weiss (whom I consider to be more trust worthy than the clowns at the PG).  Harper never offered Rice,Whitford or Fife.


zacharymweiss wrote:

CLK wrote:

Just about all the PG sports writers (except for possibly Craig Meyers) acted like ass clowns losers during the search, they were all looking to out do each out with what they thoughts were funny cuts on Duquesne. They reflected very poorly on the PG and is an example of why the PG is failing. The worst part was they had no clue in many cases what they were talking about when making fun of the search process.  I don't know is you saw the tweet below from Zachary Weiss but it appears the only two offers were Dambrot and Becker.


Zachary Weiss Several sources have told me that Duquesne never offered MBB coaching job to Rice, Fife or Whitford.

Honestly doubt Becker was offered too.

 

Last edited by CLK (6/17/2017 9:57 am)

 

6/17/2017 11:09 am  #11


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I respect Zach and have for a very long time. I don't think there are many people in the media at the moment who work harder for a story than or respect their subject as much as he does.  

That said,  I also respect the folks at Pittsburgh Sports Now and my own sources that directly contradict what Zach reported. too much smoke not to have fire. I think we're all just going to be left with speculation. 

 

6/17/2017 12:47 pm  #12


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I posted earlier that Harper or the search firm could have leaked about the other coaches as 
misinformation to the alleged reporters like Zeise, Cook, Spencer et al to provide
Harper with cover to negotiate with KD in privacy who was probably his first choice.
Or, I could have read too many spy novels or seen too many political intrigue movies.

 

6/17/2017 1:00 pm  #13


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Well in support of what Weiss said, King Rice told his local newspaper that he was never a candidate for the Duquesne job after a lot of media created false smoke.

http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/monmouth-university/2017/03/21/king-rice-duquesne-basketball-coaching-carousel/99449820/

Moreover, I listen to a pod cast (can't find a link) where Whitford was point blank asked about the so called offer from Duquesne and he said "I was never offered".  This was after Jeff Goodman tweeted that he took the DU job.  I also remember the PG claiming that Harper was meeting with Becker in Pittsburgh that was debunked. 

There was not much smoke in reality, just the local media stepping on their peckers. Just to be fair, I don't recall Mike Vukovich involved in the PG circus and I don't see see much on Pgh Sports Now from the three main clowns that were involved in the circus. 

 

6/17/2017 3:28 pm  #14


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fjhryn wrote:

Regardless of whatever the true story is, the one that seems to be prevalent about 5 coaches turning down the offer seems to be sticking and is another bruise to the Program's reputation. Can't wait for KD to shut some mouths in this city, especially at the PG, by turning the Program into a winner. 

Who really cares. Winning cures all. Ohio St. got publicly turned down. Do you think it really matters? Remember WVU hiring a coach, who then backed out a few days later, ala UMass" The then hired Beilein. I bet they have no regrets. There were several coaches out there who were capable of getting the job done here. As long as KD is one of them, that's all that matters.
 

 

6/17/2017 3:42 pm  #15


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To me it's all coach speak to deny you were offered just like it's AD speech to say you got the guy you wanted all along. If you tell someone that you were in talks but ultimately declined, it looks bad to your players, some fans, you're currently employer (esp if an extension isn't what keeps you at the school) and potential future employers. To me, it's less likely that I'd offer someone in the future if they drug another school through the mud in the past by publicly rejecting their offer at the 11th hour. 

I fully admit that I could be completely wrong on this. In the end, it doesn't matter much cause I think we made an outstanding hire. People can bash us for the coaching search, but we hired a 400 game winner whose already created a greater sense of stability than the program up Forbes Ave currently has. 

 

6/17/2017 5:23 pm  #16


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Steve, I might be more inclined to believe that it was just "coach speak" if Zachary Weiss had not confirmed Rice was not offered.  I do agree it really does not matter at this point.  Not only do we have a great coach in Dambrot, but DU finally has a competent AD.  

 

6/17/2017 7:20 pm  #17


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Amen. Choir.

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6/17/2017 11:17 pm  #18


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CLK wrote:

Steve, I might be more inclined to believe that it was just "coach speak" if Zachary Weiss had not confirmed Rice was not offered.  I do agree it really does not matter at this point.  Not only do we have a great coach in Dambrot, but DU finally has a competent AD.  

Who was the last competent AD we had? Doc Skender?
 

 

6/18/2017 7:09 am  #19


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Harper is the alpha and omega in that category.

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