By all accounts the C7 will add Xavier, Butler and Creighton and play as a 10 team league next year.  They will look to possibly expand next season to 12.  The formal announcement will be next week.  When I look at this I can't help but feeling upset at what could have been but for the incompetence of Murray, Hogan, Colleary and Amodio.  The Pittsburgh market was a perfect fit except for our history.  We enjoyed some revival under Ron but he was constrained with the resources he was given.  It was too little too late, and just not enough time to get us to the level that would have given us consideration.  The current budget is probably triple what Ron was given.  Having said that, I do think that long term the A10 could still be a good basketball league but their needs to be a commitment by all members to increase commitment and budgets to improve.  This is going to be very difficult as TV revenues will most likely decline in the short term especially if renewed after SLU and Dayton leave.  A lot of variables including which teams and markets are brought in to the league.  We will see.

Last edited by CLK (3/16/2013 8:54 am)

CLK wrote:

By all accounts the C7 will add Xavier, Butler and Creighton and play as a 10 team league next year.  They will look to possibly expand next season to 12.  The formal announcement will be next week.  When I look at this I can't help but feeling upset at what could have been but for the incompetence of Murray, Hogan, Colleary and Amodio.  The Pittsburgh market was a perfect fit except for our history.  We enjoyed some revival under Ron but he was constrained with the resources he was given.  It was too little too late, and just not enough time to get us to the level that would have given us consideration.  The current budget is probably triple what Ron was given.  Having said that, I do think that long term the A10 could still be a good basketball league but their needs to be a commitment by all members to increase commitment and budgets to improve.  This is going to be very difficult as TV revenues will most likely decline in the short term especially if renewed after SLU and Dayton leave.  A lot of variables including which teams and markets are brought in to the league.  We will see.

CLK,

Everhart wasn't handcuffed by financial contraints and he was provided with a reasonable A-10 budget. He had one of the bigger recruiting budgets in the conference his final two years. He also had a new athletes only gym built and the arena upgraded while he was coach. As far as assistants go, those were the people Ron picked. He could've gotten more money to hire better assistants as far as I know.

Ferry is getting about 20-30% more to work with than Ron did based on the Office of Postsecondary Education numbers. Certainly a sizable increase but nothing outrageous. By the end Ron got 60-80% more than Nee did. Jamie Dixon isn't getting triple what Ron was given.
 

Steve, perhaps I was off on my percentages, maybe it was closer to double.  I would like to see the statistics you reference.  I do know that when Ron was hired his base was around $325,000. If the head coach is making $350M how much do the assistants make.  In contrast, Ferry's base was reported to be $600,000.  It would be interesting to see what Coach Nash's salary is versus what Ron was able to afford to pay Barton when he hired him.  I know his budget increased his last couple of years to maybe only a 30% gap when compared to the increased budget for Ferry, which speaks loudly to my point of too little too late.

BTW, did anyone see Dejan's column the other day?

http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/3655338-74/foster-adams-lot#axzz2Nd5wHKry

In it he says:
Temple and Charlotte are leaving the Atlantic 10 for football, and Xavier and Butler are widely reported to be leaving for the new Catholic 7. Saint Louis and Dayton could be next through the latter door.

That would leave Duquesne basketball weaker than ever, which is a near-impossibility.

And don't overthink why the Dukes aren't on board with those other Catholic schools: They don't win, they don't make much money, and they flat-out aren't wanted.

It's as stinging an indictment of Greg Amodio's eight years as athletic director as one could imagine. His contract expires after the next school year.

 

CLK wrote:

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BTW, did anyone see Dejan's column the other day?

http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/3655338-74/foster-adams-lot#axzz2Nd5wHKry

In it he says:
Temple and Charlotte are leaving the Atlantic 10 for football, and Xavier and Butler are widely reported to be leaving for the new Catholic 7. Saint Louis and Dayton could be next through the latter door.

That would leave Duquesne basketball weaker than ever, which is a near-impossibility.

And don't overthink why the Dukes aren't on board with those other Catholic schools: They don't win, they don't make much money, and they flat-out aren't wanted.

It's as stinging an indictment of Greg Amodio's eight years as athletic director as one could imagine. His contract expires after the next school year.

 

 

Finally, someone in the media FINALLY notices that Amodio is doing a terrible job.  

Isn't he finishing his seventh year as AD and not his eighth year?   Although his tenure seems much, much longer.

CLK wrote:

Steve if you look at the statistics you will see that between 2010 and 2011 $350,000 of the increase in total expenses is due to increase in the football expenses.  I suspect that the recruiting budget includes all sports including football.  These recruiting statistics really do not provide good comparison as several schools we competed against do not have football.  It will also be interesting to see a full year 2012 - 2013 under Ferry.  Have you ever seen stats on basketball budgets for salaries?

That's a fair point about football and the recruiting numbers but it would also mean that we spent more than Temple and less than football less Xavier. Honestly not sure how the poster break broke down that number.

There are some more in depth tables here, but I don't think they go as far as to break down the line item on individual sports. I do know Duquesne spent 1.9 million on coaches for men's sports but that number does include football.  Our recruiting number for last year was $425K

Ironduke81 wrote:

Steve I read your  opinions statistics & posts dude you are the man. Accountant, lawyer, sports reporter ncaa rules expert & above all a very passionate  Duquesne fan & alum. Kudos to you sir. For someone what under 30 you know a sh#tload. We are blessed on this board. Go Dukes!

I don't think Steve is under 30 though. If his handle indicates his class, 30 is well in his rearview mirror, and 40 is fast approaching.

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rogabee wrote:

Looking at men's basketball expenses only, the final 2011 numbers were $2,928,573 for Duquesne per bbstate.  In 2010, it was $2,682,735 per athleticscholarships.com as well as bbstate's numbers.  Per the Trib, the end of the Nee era's basketball expenses was $1.579 million.  In 2012, it was $3,891,806, but counts for the buyout. 

Rogabee your no Steve although close