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Eric Williams has not made me forget about Isiaha Mike, he is a much better player.
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Kellon Taylor keeps getting better.
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ElDuque wrote:
Kellon Taylor keeps getting better.
Absolutely! He has become crucial with not only his defense but his ball handling ability. Truly an irreplaceable peice on this team.
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ElDuque wrote:
Kellon Taylor keeps getting better.
Kellon drew a charge and I felt bad for the kid who ran into him.
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rosceaux wrote:
ElDuque wrote:
Kellon Taylor keeps getting better.
Kellon drew a charge and I felt bad for the kid who ran into him.
kellon stood there nor nearly a second before that kid finally charged into him.
...probably didn't even feel it anyway ha
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Duques102 wrote:
Eric Williams has not made me forget about Isiaha Mike, he is a much better player.
Uh he quit the team, so who cares....
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How many ways can you describe greatness? I have been following Duquesne since 1965-66 season and the only newcomer who made more of a impact was Lionel Billingy who was a sophomore and Bruce Atkins.
I could see Mike is going to be a good player but he played like a freshman and was good one game and
invisible the next. Williams seems not only to be consistently good but he seems to be improving as this
season has moved forward.
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stew wrote:
How many ways can you describe greatness? I have been following Duquesne since 1965-66 season and the only newcomer who made more of a impact was Lionel Billingy who was a sophomore and Bruce Atkins.
I could see Mike is going to be a good player but he played like a freshman and was good one game and
invisible the next. Williams seems not only to be consistently good but he seems to be improving as this
season has moved forward.
Billingy went up against the best big men in the East, 6-9 Glenn Price of St Bonaventure, 6-10 Marvin Barnes of Providence and more than held his own. All I remember about I. Mike other than disappearing as the season wore on, his team lost 22 games.
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Phildog wrote:
stew wrote:
How many ways can you describe greatness? I have been following Duquesne since 1965-66 season and the only newcomer who made more of a impact was Lionel Billingy who was a sophomore and Bruce Atkins.
I could see Mike is going to be a good player but he played like a freshman and was good one game and
invisible the next. Williams seems not only to be consistently good but he seems to be improving as this
season has moved forward.
Billingy went up against the best big men in the East, 6-9 Glenn Price of St Bonaventure, 6-10 Marvin Barnes of Providence and more than held his own. All I remember about I. Mike other than disappearing as the season wore on, his team lost 22 games.
Add to the roster Billingy faced: John Shumate (ND), and the duo of Len Elmore and Tom McMillan MD).
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Phildog wrote:
stew wrote:
How many ways can you describe greatness? I have been following Duquesne since 1965-66 season and the only newcomer who made more of a impact was Lionel Billingy who was a sophomore and Bruce Atkins.
I could see Mike is going to be a good player but he played like a freshman and was good one game and
invisible the next. Williams seems not only to be consistently good but he seems to be improving as this
season has moved forward.
Billingy went up against the best big men in the East, 6-9 Glenn Price of St Bonaventure, 6-10 Marvin Barnes of Providence and more than held his own. All I remember about I. Mike other than disappearing as the season wore on, his team lost 22 games.
I don't blame that on Mike. Put the blame where it belongs. The one at fault now resides among the child molester enablers.
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Not sure but maybe Kermit Washington of American U. also.
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Duques102 wrote:
Eric Williams has not made me forget about Isiaha Mike, he is a much better player.
This is true, but I would have loved to have seen what IM could have become with a coach.
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How nice is it to get an under recruited kid that turns out to play well above their perceived level and not have to worry about them transferring for greener pastures once the season is over? Perhaps it is just me - but it felt like every time we got our hands on a quality player there was an ever present threat of them looking to thrive elsewhere.
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I don’t think you guys get that Eric Williams Jr had a lot D1 schools interested late his senior year. He even had interest from Ohio State, Arkansas.. the kid didn’t go crazily under recruited. If you guys would go watch his highlights and realize .. he does rebound, shoots a good pull up jumper and three then you were blind. He averaged 7 rebounds a game. Just do the research before you guys make a bunch of comments on here..
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Godukes2017 wrote:
I don’t think you guys get that Eric Williams Jr had a lot D1 schools interested late his senior year. He even had interest from Ohio State, Arkansas.. the kid didn’t go crazily under recruited. If you guys would go watch his highlights and realize .. he does rebound, shoots a good pull up jumper and three then you were blind. He averaged 7 rebounds a game. Just do the research before you guys make a bunch of comments on here..
There's a major difference between interest and offers. A bunch of kids from my high school had major P5 interest, and ended up playing mid major D1 because they were never offered by the P5 schools. The fact that EW only had one other D1 offer qualifies him as "crazily under recruited."
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Dukes2012 wrote:
Godukes2017 wrote:
I don’t think you guys get that Eric Williams Jr had a lot D1 schools interested late his senior year. He even had interest from Ohio State, Arkansas.. the kid didn’t go crazily under recruited. If you guys would go watch his highlights and realize .. he does rebound, shoots a good pull up jumper and three then you were blind. He averaged 7 rebounds a game. Just do the research before you guys make a bunch of comments on here..
There's a major difference between interest and offers. A bunch of kids from my high school had major P5 interest, and ended up playing mid major D1 because they were never offered by the P5 schools. The fact that EW only had one other D1 offer qualifies him as "crazily under recruited."
Yes he was under-recruited. Think about 7 rebounds a game in HS B level, and now he is pulling down 10 per game as a freshman. Not to mention the kid can shoot from anywhere: 3 pt. set shot, driving to the rim, pull-up jumpers, jams. Eric was a great get for DU, bu he has already made significant strides above what could have been expected.
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Someone D/Med on twitter yesterday and asked me who was the last freshman you were this excited about at Duquesne. My answer? Isiaha Mike
In my opinion, Mike's upside, even with Ferry, is almost unlimited. I think he'll be an NBA player, I have only some doubt of that and I have even less doubt now that he's at SMU. Seeing what we've seen from Dambrot so far, I think he made a terrible mistake on top of that! I think his best path would have been right here.
Of course, it's not a black and white, either / or situation with Williams and Mike. If Duquesne had both players right now, neither would detract from the other and they'd fill a hole at the four and with their interior scoring. Mike is really the missing piece, so I definitely haven't forgotten about him.
If I had to only choose one though at this point, I'd pick Williams but I wouldn't want to take anything from Mike in doing so.
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Steve I agree with everything you said.
So here's an interesting question: what would Duquesne's record be right now had Mike stayed? Assuming everyone healthy and he buys into Dambrot.
One thing that could further offset the loss of Mike is the development of Tydus. He's a Grade A shot blocker and he doesn't get pushed around. I'd like to see him look to shoot more within the context of the offense. Would take some pressure off the guards.
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I wonder what the line up with IM would be if he stayed. Does he play the 3 or the 4? He was so thin, he really would be hard pressed to defend the post that I could see him playing the 3 instead of EK.
I think the Dukes win against Cornell at least. Robert Morris would be likely too, assuming EW grew at the same pace with him on the team.
I think IM has NBA potential, but he'll have to work on his game considerably to get it. He's a 3 and D player in the NBA. He'll need to work on his outside shooting and his perimeter d. He obviously would be able to finish on a pick and roll, but with his 26 inch waist or whatever, who is he going to pick?
IM was a lot of fun to watch here, and I appreciated how much fun he was having, at least when times were good last year. I hope he makes it, but the NBA is so tough to make, outside of a few one and one players, I don't really expect anyone to. I don't blame him for leaving, and will be rooting for him to do well at SMU.
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WashPaRick wrote:
Not sure but maybe Kermit Washington of American U. also.
Looks like he played against Washington twice. Good thing Kermit didn't start punching people until he went pro. Checked him out online and it was pretty interesting. Scored twice in the wrong basket in the same game on the freshmen team.
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ElDuque wrote:
So here's an interesting question: what would Duquesne's record be right now had Mike stayed? Assuming everyone healthy and he buys into Dambrot.
Against the same schedule, I think we're probably one or two games better. Even with Mike, they were still thin early and needed to learn a new system during the three early losses. He may have made a difference against SIU.
However, I want to throw a monkey wrench into this thought experiment. Would Dambrot have scheduled as easily if Mike had returned. My guess is no.
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Steve, I've never met nor spoken with Coach Dambrot. I couldn't even guess at that. Best I could do is figure that maybe a St. Francis, Bowling Green, Albany, or other mid-major type in place of one, two or three of the opponents. With Mike, record might still be the same or better.
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From The Trib today: