Not until DU wins 18+ games a year for 4+ years will the program be on stable ground.  Players will continue to come and go.  We wont get the big time players, we wont beat out BCS schools.  So either Ferry has got to coach his butt off or we need to find some under the radar guys who can play some ball,  but likely both need to happen to get back to the NIT.

IMO, Winters is the loss of this "exodus".  The 2 bigs were not good/hardly played.  Binney might have been a nice player, but is stuck behind Colter.  KP likes soccer more.

If Mason can play this year, and the 2 in-coming guards can score, AND the 2 bigs can box out and rebound, there is a chance DU starts heading in the right direction.
I hope Ovie Soko comes in and starts punching dudes in the face if they act like punks.

But I aint holding my breath.

Last edited by townsonkid (4/16/2013 4:08 pm)

Even if they are not your guys, they might serve as depth for a season or so. What's the plan? Have five first-year players and four second-year players play key roles on the team.

Six wins next year, 7 the next, if they are lucky.
 

ElDuque wrote:

duq81 wrote:

steve19981 wrote:

Winters was the only player that mattered.

Bingo. The rest were guys who can't play at this level. When you go 8-22, that means you don't have enough talent. Most of them couldn't play at the NEC level, which Bobby Mo showed us. I guess we should have kept them all, so that the 8-22 seasons would keep coming.

I would have tried to figure out a way to keep him. All freshmen get homesick. I did. Fortunately I had family and friends who were willing to push and challenge me. 

Next year you have a couple key players coming from Toronto. What if they get homesick? Start over? Is this why Ferry needs 10 years to build?

Good point El Duque.  It is the coach who is responsible for team bonding.  I would think that seeing your buddy (Binney) getting the boot did not generate a lot of comfort for Winters.  The rule of unintended consequences.  Not saying that Winters was not homesick but certainly after that it became a hard sell to keep him.  But hey, Ferry is doing what he thinks is needed to win.  Now he needs to win.  Another season like last year and Amodio should get the boot.
 

Last edited by CLK (4/16/2013 5:48 pm)

Just as an aside, these Coaches kill me that jump positions prior to sanctions being imposed.  Calipari is the King of this move after UMass and Memphis and now I wonder how much Chip Kelly's descision to jump to the Eagles was predicated on the realization that the hammer was coming down - 2 year penalty just announced. Sorry if this should be a separate thread.

CLK how many wins are the equivalent to the boot. Me personally its not about the wins but rather then rebuilding the alumni & fan base. Maybe more then 10 students show up for a game. Please if the Dukes win they will come is bullsh*t. I saw REs 11 game run no sellout.How about the coach moving to Pittsburgh & reach out wow what a concept.Its time for big boy leadership this program has hit rock bottom. No koolaid today. Soory to be negative I love Duquesne but at this point this program is a joke both locally & on a national basis. 

Ironduke81 wrote:

How about the coach moving to Pittsburgh & reach out wow what a concept.. 

What do you mean by this?   He hasn't moved here yet?   That can't be a good sign.
 

By the by, CLK's right on the bottom of the first page. I've mentioned on Yuku before too - just participating in fan communities like the ones we have put you under the definition of a "booster," according to the Compliance section of goduquesne.com. Best to be careful.

Last edited by TheFace (4/16/2013 9:10 pm)

He has bought a house, go check it out, it is public information.

Thanks for the info.

duq81 wrote:

Q lost a member of his family, but none of you cold hearted people care about that. You want him to get over it, but you can't get over RE. Crazy.

Don't recall hearing about it when it happened at the time. Understand it's personal, but troubles and struggles of so many players become public knowledge.


Sometimes there's even some show of support ... as there has been with RE.

ElDuque wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Q lost a member of his family, but none of you cold hearted people care about that. You want him to get over it, but you can't get over RE. Crazy.

Don't recall hearing about it when it happened at the time. Understand it's personal, but troubles and struggles of so many players become public knowledge.


Sometimes there's even some show of support ... as there has been with RE.

Death can be a tough thing to deal with. While I was in my sophomore year, I lost a sister, two uncles, a grandfather, and one of my closest friends within a 6 month period. I can't imagine how tough it would have been if I had been 600 miles away from home.

No disagreement. I just don't think any lack of empathy or sympathy is part of the equation in Winters' case, or in the case of any other player.

But when you have >60% roster turnover, including 50% of Ferry's own recruits, I think it's reasonable to be concerned. People cried like babies when there was turnover on RE's roster, but he came here after 30 years of blight and decay, had a much better first season, started winning in year two, and never had a losing season here.

We still need to see some results for Jimmy Ferry.

That's the point more than Winters.

ElDuque wrote:

No disagreement. I just don't think any lack of empathy or sympathy is part of the equation in Winters' case, or in the case of any other player.

But when you have >60% roster turnover, including 50% of Ferry's own recruits, I think it's reasonable to be concerned. People cried like babies when there was turnover on RE's roster, but he came here after 30 years of blight and decay, had a much better first season, started winning in year two, and never had a losing season here.

We still need to see some results for Jimmy Ferry.

That's the point more than Winters.

No one complained about turnover under RE until about his fifth year. He cleaned house when he got here, and then lost his two best freshmen after his first year, one of which (Mitchell), was a far better player than Winters. No one complained. When Kojo, and Shawn left, everyone trashed them, not RE. It wasn't until Quan left that people began to grumble. When Air Jamica left, the grumbling became louder, and TJ was when the doo doo hit the fan.

As for RE having a much better first season, they won 2 more games, and collapsed at the end. Better, yes, but hardly "much better".