duq81 wrote:

Wildwood13 wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Coleman indeed played at Jacksonville, and had a serious knee injury, but the UCLA/Jacksonville title game was in 1970. Ricky Colman was the point guard on the 1971 Schenley team that took the State Championship, so he'd have only been a junior in high school when Jacksonville played UCLA.

 
Duq 81, as I have stated previously, your knowledge of Duquesne basketball is outstanding. But your propensity to correct people is unprecedented. Please read my thread starter again. You corrected me twice there and this one regarding Ricky Coleman you are reading into what I say and assuming to much. In this one you are assuming that I say Ricky didn't play because of a wrecked knee. I state who it is, that he damaged his knee and his senior year was in 74-75. If you do the math, you would realize there is no way he could play in the 69-70 year as freshman were not eligible and that is a total of six different seasons.

In the thread starter, I say the disappointing season is the year the Dukes go 17-7. For some reason you say I have that twisted. Can't figure out for the life of me want you mean.That would be the year after 68-69 which makes it the 69-70 season.

You corrected me on the 70-71 and 71-72 seasons as to which one was the Roddy incident. One out of three, I expect better of you. Now when you correct people in the future I can no longer take it as the written truth. Happy Holidays enjoy the weekend.

Sorry on the Coleman thing. I quoted you, but meant to quote another poster that put Coleman on the team that played UCLA. As for the 69-70 team, it was the statement that 5 starters got drafted that threw me off. I thought you were saying that all 5 starters got drafted after that season. You must have meant they all eventually got drafted as that was not a senior dominated team.
I'm a history buff, so sometimes I get carried away about facts. I'll try to be good.

 
I am good with you, and you know I respect the hell out of you with your knowledge of Duquesne basketball. By the way your article you posted was a great read. The most amazing thing about that article was that in 1969 was the first year that Kentucky had a black basketball player. I remember Billy Zoph telling me (I am ten years younger than him) when the Dukes went on the road, in some areas Jarret was not permitted in the same dinning area as the white players. Growing up on Larimer Ave I could not not wrap my head around that.

Wildwood13 wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Wildwood13 wrote:

 
Duq 81, as I have stated previously, your knowledge of Duquesne basketball is outstanding. But your propensity to correct people is unprecedented. Please read my thread starter again. You corrected me twice there and this one regarding Ricky Coleman you are reading into what I say and assuming to much. In this one you are assuming that I say Ricky didn't play because of a wrecked knee. I state who it is, that he damaged his knee and his senior year was in 74-75. If you do the math, you would realize there is no way he could play in the 69-70 year as freshman were not eligible and that is a total of six different seasons.

In the thread starter, I say the disappointing season is the year the Dukes go 17-7. For some reason you say I have that twisted. Can't figure out for the life of me want you mean.That would be the year after 68-69 which makes it the 69-70 season.

You corrected me on the 70-71 and 71-72 seasons as to which one was the Roddy incident. One out of three, I expect better of you. Now when you correct people in the future I can no longer take it as the written truth. Happy Holidays enjoy the weekend.

Sorry on the Coleman thing. I quoted you, but meant to quote another poster that put Coleman on the team that played UCLA. As for the 69-70 team, it was the statement that 5 starters got drafted that threw me off. I thought you were saying that all 5 starters got drafted after that season. You must have meant they all eventually got drafted as that was not a senior dominated team.
I'm a history buff, so sometimes I get carried away about facts. I'll try to be good.

 
I am good with you, and you know I respect the hell out of you with your knowledge of Duquesne basketball. By the way your article you posted was a great read. The most amazing thing about that article was that in 1969 was the first year that Kentucky had a black basketball player. I remember Billy Zoph telling me (I am ten years younger than him) when the Dukes went on the road, in some areas Jarret was not permitted in the same dinning area as the white players. Growing up on Larimer Ave I could not not wrap my head around that.

What else is strange is that it's well known than when Mississippi St. won the SEC a couple of times in the early 60s, they turned down NCAA bids, as they wouldn't play teams with black players. The coach and team were finally able to defy the school's leaders, and they snuck away and played Loyola in the tournament. I think this was 1963. We all know about Tennessee and Chuck Cooper. The strange part is that Kentucky, another SEC team, never seemed to have an issue playing integrated teams.  Rupp deservedly gets bashed for being so slow to integrate, but I'll give him a little bit of credit here. There are stories (don't know if they're true), that Rupp considered adding black players at a fairly early date (50s), but backed away from the idea (I wonder what he would have done if Wilt had expressed a desire to go to UK). It's a shame he didn't do this. He's still a somewhat mythic figure, but his hesitance to integrate is somewhat of a stain on his legacy. He could have been a pioneer among southern coaches, which would have really made him a much more towering figure in the history of the game.

Wow--Got addicted in the early 70's...I seem to recall they played the sound of a train when Lionel Billingey would do something..my father was rabid..every year back then you were waiting for them to return to prominence--at least there was Norm Nixon but I also remember that in Mike Rice's 1st or 2nd  year Basketball Weekly had them around #25 but I believe the bubble burst when BB got bounced around by Bob Huggins  

Great posts everyone and brings back so many memories! Actually saw Willi Somerset against Army as a very little boy but the team with Gary Majors ,Nelsons,Jarret and Zoph got me hooked! My parents met in 1948 at a duquesne dance so I grew up hearing about Boyd Brumbaugh and Si Green Chuck Cooper etc. So my parents instilled in me a love for Duquesne. As for BB I was in Morgantown for Huggins cheapshotting  BB and Gumby Mase and others came to his defense! Me and a couple football teammates were there and later  we got into it with one of their players and buddies after the game ... Stan something ...in a dorm but it was  only verbal! Haha memeories

levon1975 wrote:

That was a “no class” move by Huggins which I think he regrets today. Let me tell you that losing BB for the season in Norman’s senior year was a huge loss. The secondary scoring that BB would have provided would have made that team dangerous!

I don't know if Cinicola would have been willing to place BB full time in the backcourt with Nixon. He was mostly playing as Norman's backup. BB was a point guard, but he shot well enough to play the 2, although he may have had trouble guarding big 2s. Davila had wrecked his knee the year before (huge loss), so Cinicola had Lonnie McClain in the backcourt with Nixon. Late in the year, Don Maser, who had been banged up, got healthy, and replaced McClain in the backcourt, and the team began to play better. Had Ernest Cooper worked out, he'd have been a senior on that team. So many what ifs down through the years. Aren't we due for a break?
 

Was a joy watching BB play.

For those who came on board to Duquesne after BB graduated ... some history.

https://newpittsburghcourier.com/2010/06/30/flenory-still-gold-standard-for-wpial-basketball/

Box & One wrote:

Was a joy watching BB play.

For those who came on board to Duquesne after BB graduated ... some history.

https://newpittsburghcourier.com/2010/06/30/flenory-still-gold-standard-for-wpial-basketball/

Nice article. I remember the 48 point game, 2 points short of the 50 scored by Ron Guziak in 1968.
 

PistolPete wrote:

I also remember and still have the iconic Sports Illustrated cover that shows Sidney Wicks blocking Artis Gilmore's shot a foot above the backboard.  Wow.  I was hoping that Jacksonville team, who I think also had the kid from Schenley (guard, I forget his name) and another 7 footer (Pembrook Burrows), would beat UCLA - who I hated.  Oh my, I'm getting old, but those are all good memories and as Bran (GOT) said memories are what we have and live for.  Amen.  Pistol out.

Pistol,
Speaking of the '69-70 Jacksonville Dolphins, I thought you might enjoy this article I wrote a few months ago for The Fanatic.  I even mentioned the Nelson twins.  Enjoy! 

https://thefanatic.com/college/basketball/2019/03/the-original-cinderella-jacksonville-university-was-there-first/
 

I hope it is permitted to answer this question with: it happened in spurts.The first spurt was the 1960-1961 college basketball year. My best friend was given tix to the Dukes-Spitt game. While I was very active in sports I did not follow college basketball. At the game I asked who we are rooting for and he schrugged and informed me that Duquesne is a Catholic school and Quitt is Protestant. To stay in God's blessings I rooted for the Dukes  If I cheered for the Protestants I would immediately be condemned to hell.                                                                        My second spurt was as a highschool alter boy (1964-1965). Before the service the priest would tell me how many points Summerset laid on the other team. We both excitedly talked about  Willie and the Dukes. As an alterboy I knew I was going to heaven so the Dukes' opposing team did not matter to me.
The third spurt happened as a highschool senior when I answered a nun's question as to which Catholic College I was going to attend. When I answered that I had verbaled to Kentucky on a baseball scholarship I swear that the ground rumbled. Hell, brimestone, the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit would all hate me for eternity; that would be my fate if I went to a "Protestant" school where they teach you that there is no God. Truth is I stayed home because of my girlfriend. I attended every Duquesne home game during my undergraduate years. I was hooked at my very first home game. I just loved the Dukes, regardless of record. I haved loved the Dukes for fifty-four years (regardless of record, obviously) What greater love than to pick Duquesne over Kentucky in 1965.