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3/05/2020 12:32 pm  #1


If we beat Richmond

According to bracketologist, if we beat Richmond we are only going to be a one bid conference unless someone other than Dayton wins the conference tournament. That would be a shame because they have so many teams in with double digit losses and .500 or below conference records in their selections.

 

3/05/2020 1:12 pm  #2


Re: If we beat Richmond

Wildwood13 wrote:

According to bracketologist, if we beat Richmond we are only going to be a one bid conference unless someone other than Dayton wins the conference tournament. That would be a shame because they have so many teams in with double digit losses and .500 or below conference records in their selections.

Teams that actually put it on the line and played tougher opponents than a majority of the A 10 teams did
 


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3/05/2020 1:20 pm  #3


Re: If we beat Richmond

Tejas_Duke wrote:

Wildwood13 wrote:

According to bracketologist, if we beat Richmond we are only going to be a one bid conference unless someone other than Dayton wins the conference tournament. That would be a shame because they have so many teams in with double digit losses and .500 or below conference records in their selections.

Teams that actually put it on the line and played tougher opponents than a majority of the A 10 teams did
 

The problem I have with the current setup is if the Dukes vowed today that wanted to play the toughest schedule in the country next year, there is no way that could ever happen. Not even close. Schedule can only be upgraded a little.   

 

3/05/2020 1:42 pm  #4


Re: If we beat Richmond

Tejas_Duke wrote:

Wildwood13 wrote:

According to bracketologist, if we beat Richmond we are only going to be a one bid conference unless someone other than Dayton wins the conference tournament. That would be a shame because they have so many teams in with double digit losses and .500 or below conference records in their selections.

Teams that actually put it on the line and played tougher opponents than a majority of the A 10 teams did

Power conference do not play mid majors on the road and I don’t blame mid majors for not scheduling them when they only want to play at home. This year Richmond defeated Wisconsin, Vanderbilt and BC from the power conferences. Rhode Island defeated Providence and Alabama. These are our second and third place teams. There should be some respect given to these teams.
 

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3/05/2020 1:45 pm  #5


Re: If we beat Richmond

MikeR wrote:

Tejas_Duke wrote:

Wildwood13 wrote:

According to bracketologist, if we beat Richmond we are only going to be a one bid conference unless someone other than Dayton wins the conference tournament. That would be a shame because they have so many teams in with double digit losses and .500 or below conference records in their selections.

Teams that actually put it on the line and played tougher opponents than a majority of the A 10 teams did
 

The problem I have with the current setup is if the Dukes vowed today that wanted to play the toughest schedule in the country next year, there is no way that could ever happen. Not even close. Schedule can only be upgraded a little.   

Yep! Those schools have built in quality games in conference play. It's gonna be really tough to upgrade the schedule. Most P5/BE schools will steer clear of us now, and we really don't want to have to play return games against the better mid level schools. We really need to again play Pitt, and Penn St., and maybe WVU if possible, along with getting into a good early season tournament that has some quality teams in it.

 

3/05/2020 2:25 pm  #6


Re: If we beat Richmond

If it is only a one bid year for the A10, which would be unfortunate, the focus will probably be on OOC for the league’s teams.

I wonder, should the league should consider going back to a 16 game schedule? The WCC is slated to get three bids this year. St Mary’s went 11-5 in league with a below average rated OOC and are seen as rather comfortable yet in while Richmond is currently on the outside looking in  while Rhody is seen as A10 Tourney or bust. The A10 also got Gonzaga’d with Dayton (all but assured) of running the table in league play, preventing all others from that “signature win.”

As for the WCC, since BYU joined the league for the 2012 season the WCC (including their automatic bid) has gotten (counting this year, presumably) 10 bids in the four years of 16 game schedules making it a two or three bid league. When it was an 18 game league schedule, they got six bids in four years making it a 1.5 bid league on average.

The three seasons prior (2012-2014) to going to an 18 game schedule, the A10 had 15 bids over those three seasons. I know the league changed dramatically  during those three years but maybe it is better to go out and either stack some wins with the two extra OOC games or build on the A10/MWC Challenge with games vs MVC/WCC/American etc.

While the ACC and B1G look to lead the charge of shutting out the non power leagues behind the 20 game league schedule, it might be better to zag and go lower in league games played and use the 28 games vs other leagues instead of amongst our own league. The 20 game schedule seems to be a benefit for the B1G with 11/14 teams in the conversation to dance, yet the ACC has 4 teams out of their 15 that can comfortably say they will be in the NCAA Tournament this year.
-ACC Has an OOC winning % of .745 against an average rating that would rank as the 217th hardest OOC schedule while Big 10 was at .743 vs an average ranking of 155th hardest OOC per Kenpom metrics this season.

 

3/05/2020 2:28 pm  #7


Re: If we beat Richmond

Richmond needs to beat us to stay in the hunt for a bid. If the game is close, watch the referee calls. 

 

3/05/2020 4:59 pm  #8


Re: If we beat Richmond

Brian wrote:

If it is only a one bid year for the A10, which would be unfortunate, the focus will probably be on OOC for the league’s teams.

I wonder, should the league should consider going back to a 16 game schedule? The WCC is slated to get three bids this year. St Mary’s went 11-5 in league with a below average rated OOC and are seen as rather comfortable yet in while Richmond is currently on the outside looking in while Rhody is seen as A10 Tourney or bust. The A10 also got Gonzaga’d with Dayton (all but assured) of running the table in league play, preventing all others from that “signature win.”

As for the WCC, since BYU joined the league for the 2012 season the WCC (including their automatic bid) has gotten (counting this year, presumably) 10 bids in the four years of 16 game schedules making it a two or three bid league. When it was an 18 game league schedule, they got six bids in four years making it a 1.5 bid league on average.

The three seasons prior (2012-2014) to going to an 18 game schedule, the A10 had 15 bids over those three seasons. I know the league changed dramatically during those three years but maybe it is better to go out and either stack some wins with the two extra OOC games or build on the A10/MWC Challenge with games vs MVC/WCC/American etc.

While the ACC and B1G look to lead the charge of shutting out the non power leagues behind the 20 game league schedule, it might be better to zag and go lower in league games played and use the 28 games vs other leagues instead of amongst our own league. The 20 game schedule seems to be a benefit for the B1G with 11/14 teams in the conversation to dance, yet the ACC has 4 teams out of their 15 that can comfortably say they will be in the NCAA Tournament this year.
-ACC Has an OOC winning % of .745 against an average rating that would rank as the 217th hardest OOC schedule while Big 10 was at .743 vs an average ranking of 155th hardest OOC per Kenpom metrics this season.

They won't go back to 16 games, going to 20 is more likely. With all of the big conferences going to 20 games, it's going to become very hard to get quality ooc games. 16 games would mean more ooc garbage on the schedule, which is the last thing we need.

 

3/06/2020 4:40 am  #9


Re: If we beat Richmond

Gotta agree with NapaDuke, I'd love to draw Dayton in the A10 tourney. They have nothing to play for and are focused on making a deep NCAA tourney run. A loss in Brooklyn won't even mess up their seeding much if at all. So don't really see them bringing their A game to Brooklyn. Joe Lunardi has proposed the Lunardi Rule, where no team with a sub-.500 conference record can get into the NCAA tourney, regardless of how good their conference/ratings are. He even showed that those teams rarely win their first-round games and that bubble teams from non-power conferences that get at-large bids actually fare much better in the NCAAs. 

 

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