CLK wrote:

Lavon I don't need you permission to post what I think, and could care less about what is getting old for you.

If Ron is the coach you suggest he is, why aren't programs bending over backwards to hire him?

Would you rather see Ferry make the dance at your alma mater or rather fail so you can push out your chest and say Rons firing was somehow unjustified?

Part of the fun of being a sports fan is comparing teams, players, & coaches of different seasons. It's a harmless activity. No, Ron isn't coming back. Neither is Jim Leyland. But that never stopped the local media from comparing every Pirate manager to Leyland from 1997 until this year when they finally had a winning season. So, too, will every Dukes coach be compared to Everhart, who, like Leyland, is the only successful coach of a bad team over a long period of time. That's how it's gonna be until somebody comes along & surpasses what Everhart did. And that may be a long time.

RON-ISNT-COMING-BACK wrote:

CLK wrote:

RON-ISNT-COMING-BACK wrote:

If Ron is the coach you suggest he is, why aren't programs bending over backwards to hire him?

Would you rather see Ferry make the dance at your alma mater or rather fail so you can push out your chest and say Rons firing was somehow unjustified?

Ron is an assistant at WVU. I believe he will be a head coach again, but after the way Amodio & Dougherty.defamed him when they let him go it won't be soon.  All Ron did here was win, something that nobody in the thirty years before were able to.  He took us to the A10 title game in his third year so it really is reinventing history when I hear people talk about him and how low the program fell under him.  So yes to me the firing was unjustified.  That is no secrect.  I understand to some people he did not get us to the NCAA in five years so in their justification he deserved to be fired, never mind it took the guy that replaced him 9 years. 

Look I do not want to go back and bring back this topic.  Indeed Ron is not coming back.  All I want to see DU win, and hope Ferry can put the program back on the winning track. 
 

It might have taken Ferry 9 years but as near as I can tell, Everhart never made the NCAAs. What makes anyone think he'd have made it here? I'd much rather have a coach that has proven to me he knows how to make the NCAAs than one who has never made it.

Why isn't Ron a head coach if he is who you suggest he is? I believe he even lost out on the Fairmont State head job when Amodio cut ties with him. I'd think Fairmont State would love this guy if again he is who you say he is. Is he on Huggins' staff now because of his coaching or rather because of his close personal relationship with him?

I agree with some others on this board who consistently read it for quality insight that its getting old to constantly put down the program, coach and players in the name of Ron Everhart.

There is really no need to put RE down to make your point. Ron did a pretty good job here, considering the situation he stepped into. That said, the Ferry bashing, with the constant RE references is indeed, uncalled for. Ron is gone, and his departure has been disected 1,000 times. We need to move on.

I'm not going to let the RE discussion end when people like RON- ISNT-COMING-BACK insult him further by claiming he was not able to get the Fairmont State job. He didn't want that job and it was well known that the WVU assistant who got the job was the leading if not only candidate for the job. The hiring of the WVU assistant opened the Assistant position at WVU for Ron.

Officer Dribble wrote:

duq81 wrote:

Officer Dribble wrote:

Part of the fun of being a sports fan is comparing teams, players, & coaches of different seasons. It's a harmless activity. No, Ron isn't coming back. Neither is Jim Leyland. But that never stopped the local media from comparing every Pirate manager to Leyland from 1997 until this year when they finally had a winning season. So, too, will every Dukes coach be compared to Everhart, who, like Leyland, is the only successful coach of a bad team over a long period of time. That's how it's gonna be until somebody comes along & surpasses what Everhart did. And that may be a long time.

Not really a good comparison. Everhart took over a team that had had minimal success over the previous 25 years (1994). Leyland took over a team that was coming off of a short dry spell, but had been very successful over the previous 30 years, finishing in first place 7 times, winning 3 World Championships, and being a contender most seasons during that period. Comparing Pirate managers to Leyland, would be like comparing Dukes coaches to Red Manning, not Everhart. Everhart would be closer to Clint Hurdle, not Leyland. Also, most fans blamed the Bucs problems on the various owners, not the managers, as the slide began under Leyland, basically proving that the problems were well beyond what any manger could fix.

Obviously Red Manning (or maybe even Dudey Moore!) is the standard against which Dukes' coaches will ultimately be measured. However, Manning isn't with us any longer, so he's obviously not coming back. I thought comparing Everhart to Leyland was legit coz they're contemporaries & both can come back, however unlikely. And while I recognize Pirates' fans perceptions about ownership & such (which may not be that much different from Dukes' fans perceptions about the administration), I was commenting on the local media's obsession with Leyland. Heck, Ron Cook can't write 15 words without mentioning Leyland's name. Anyway, my points were that sports fans would have very little to discuss or debate if they couldn't make comparisons like the media does, & altho' this isn't my message board, personally I don't see anything wrong with making comparisons between Ferry & Everhart here, as long as nobody is being defamed or insulted.

The problem is that the tone on the board became extremely negative after RE got fired. This was ok, as people needed time to vent. However, after more than year, most felt that it was time to move on. Recruits read these boards, and the negative tone towards the coach is not a good thing. The problem is, that there are a few posters who feel that RE is above any criticism, while Ferry is fair game for constant criticism. I personally have no problem with legitimate criticism of Ferry. It's the constant, "this didn't happen when RE was here" type of posts that tick certain posters off, resulting in them dredging up various criticisms of RE's tenure (some legit, and some not). This tends to enrage RE's defenders, who then accuse the critics of disloyalty, and not appreciating the many good things that happened while RE was here. The solution is simple. Ron's critics need to stop ripping him, but his defenders need to stop beating Ferry over the head with him. You can't constantly bring Ron up, and then get mad when someone reminds you that he wasn't the second coming of John Wooden.

By the way, the standard by which all Dukes coaches are measured, was set not by Moore, or Manning, but by the great "Chick" Davies. I brought up Manning, because like Leyland, he was the last coach/manager, in a string of very successful ones, before the bottom dropped out.

duq81 wrote:

The problem is that the tone on the board became extremely negative after RE got fired. This was ok, as people needed time to vent. However, after more than year, most felt that it was time to move on. Recruits read these boards, and the negative tone towards the coach is not a good thing. The problem is, that there are a few posters who feel that RE is above any criticism, while Ferry is fair game for constant criticism. I personally have no problem with legitimate criticism of Ferry. It's the constant, "this didn't happen when RE was here" type of posts that tick certain posters off, resulting in them dredging up various criticisms of RE's tenure (some legit, and some not). This tends to enrage RE's defenders, who then accuse the critics of disloyalty, and not appreciating the many good things that happened while RE was here. The solution is simple. Ron's critics need to stop ripping him, but his defenders need to stop beating Ferry over the head with him. You can't constantly bring Ron up, and then get mad when someone reminds you that he wasn't the second coming of John Wooden.

By the way, the standard by which all Dukes coaches are measured, was set not by Moore, or Manning, but by the great "Chick" Davies. I brought up Manning, because like Leyland, he was the last coach/manager, in a string of very successful ones, before the bottom dropped out.

How did I forget about Davies!

Thanks for your reply. I'll use it as a guideline for future posts.