Any TV for this tournament?

How can no A10 make NIT?   Thats atrocious!    Dayton & Fordham deserve in.  Did they reject the bids?

After the A10 tournament Dayton announced they would not participate in further play due to injuries. Apparently St. Louis and Fordham were not invited to the NIT and did not apply to play in the CBI. The semi-final and championship CBI games are on ESPN2.

One further CBI note. No conference has more than one team. Perhaps Duquesne got in early, thus removing the opportunity for other A10 teams. 

Gents, the A-10 has plummeted badly over the past few years. KenPom had it ranked 12th out of 32. Looking at the NIT and understanding that they have to first invite conference winners whom did not win their conference tournaments it leaves little room for the A-10. Dayton ended at 78, St.Louis at 96 and Fordham at 139 in KenPom. Being a 15 team league with almost half rated in the lower third is an obstacle to this conference gaining anywhere near the prominence it once had. 

The Dome wrote:

Gents, the A-10 has plummeted badly over the past few years. KenPom had it ranked 12th out of 32. Looking at the NIT and understanding that they have to first invite conference winners whom did not win their conference tournaments it leaves little room for the A-10. Dayton ended at 78, St.Louis at 96 and Fordham at 139 in KenPom. Being a 15 team league with almost half rated in the lower third is an obstacle to this conference gaining anywhere near the prominence it once had. 

Dome, correct. A perfect storm; no top 50 teams which really hurts metrics, 6 teams ranked 200 or below, minimal success out of conference against top 100 teams and some very bad losses to 300+ teams. The conference got what they deserved.  From a metrics standpoint, the Dukes were the 4th best A10 team (and our eyeballs saw that the Dukes were a flawed team).

Also, WTF is going on in Dayton. They put out a statement yesterday that they are declining any further post season play due to “health issues”. Yet you know damn well that they would have been front and center at the NCAA Tourney if they beat VCU.

And as much this board is commenting on Dambrot, the oven here is much cooler than the ovens in Saint Louis and Dayton. Ford is making around $2.5 million a year and in 7 years he has no top 50 finishes, 1 NCAA, 1 NIT and 1 CBI with no wins. The AD came in with a show of support statement for Ford over the weekend.

Grant has been at Dayton for 6 years and not been to the NCAA tourney (certainly would have been a lock before COVID cancelled the ‘20 season). Interestingly, Dayton hasn’t won the A10 tourney in 20 years (Oliver Purnell). Brian Gregory, Archie Miller and Grant failed. Flyer fans are very restless.

KenOTR73 wrote:

The Dome wrote:

Gents, the A-10 has plummeted badly over the past few years. KenPom had it ranked 12th out of 32. Looking at the NIT and understanding that they have to first invite conference winners whom did not win their conference tournaments it leaves little room for the A-10. Dayton ended at 78, St.Louis at 96 and Fordham at 139 in KenPom. Being a 15 team league with almost half rated in the lower third is an obstacle to this conference gaining anywhere near the prominence it once had. 

If memory serves me, the A-10 was once ranked as high as 6 or 7 in conference strength. Of course, that was probably when we had Xavier and Temple. Sad all around.
 

 Here's the A10 Conference Rankings over the years since 1997 per KenPom:
#6 - 1997, 1998
#7 - 2010, 2015
#8 - 2001. 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017
#9 - 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2011, 2020, 2021
#10 - 2004, 2018, 2022
#11 - 2019
#12 - 2007, 2023
#13 - 2005

coffee wrote:

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

For those of you questioning why Dayton, Saint Louis or Fordham didn't get in the NIT, take a look at the official NCAA Net Rankings.
The last 3 at large teams invited to the NIT were Santa Clara #84, Seton Hall #77 and Villanova #75.  The only A10 team that might have had a shot at the NIT was Dayton at #78.  Not sure if they were going to get the final bid or not; their weird statement muddied the waters.
Here are the NET Rankings for the A10 teams as of today:
VCU #53
Dayton #78
Saint Louis #99
Duquesne #130
Fordham #134
George Mason #139
Davidson #145
Richmond #159
Saint Bonaventure #199
Saint Joseph's #200
UMass #205
GW #211
La Salle #223
URI #265
Loyola Chicago #269

 
I think part of the issue is the new NET Rankings. Looking at the old RPI, all A 10 teams are ranked considerably higher. For example, VCU is #19 and Duquesne is #115 and had be much higher.

Read an article about tournament expansion. If it expanded to 96 teams, every Big 12 team would get a bid. It would benefit Power 5/6 teams more than mid-majors. It's looking more and more like a club that excludes the A-10. It's bad enough that we can't get these teams (including Pitt) to play in Pittsburgh. They put us off, then they put us down!

scduke wrote:

Read an article about tournament expansion. If it expanded to 96 teams, every Big 12 team would get a bid. It would benefit Power 5/6 teams more than mid-majors. It's looking more and more like a club that excludes the A-10. It's bad enough that we can't get these teams (including Pitt) to play in Pittsburgh. They put us off, then they put us down!

Absolutely right. You need only look at the at-large NIT bids to see who would benefit from an expanded NCAA tournament. Net ratings are a self-reinforcing model. That's how a team like WVU can be four games under-.500 in their conference and win as many road games as Duquesne did and yet still make the NCAA tourney. According to NET ratings, they're the 25th-best team in the country. I don't really care how good your conference is, if you can't at least break even in conference play, you're not an NCAA tourney team. There are plenty of good mid-major teams that could get wins against Power 5 teams if they could get home games against them. 

All is not lost for the A10 however. The Mountain West (remember the A10-Mountain West Challenge?) is sending four teams to the NCAA and another to the NIT.  Of course they're also an FBS football conference, so maybe that's not really a good comparison anymore.

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PhoenixRising2 wrote:

DennisC91, the Mountain West conference had 5 teams in the top 54 net and their worst team had a net ranking of 172 (A10 had VCU at #53 and 7 teams worse than #199).  Easy to see why the bids fell where they did.

Sure. So what lessons can be learned from the Mountain West's success this year compared to the A10? Because I'm not blown away by their non-conference work. San Diego State, regular season and conference tourney champs, played a challenging non-conference schedule, but lost to all the good teams they played (Arizona, Arkansas and St. Mary's). They did beat Power 5 also-rans like Stanford and Ohio State. Utah State lost at home to Weber State and neutral-site to SMU but did score a neutral site win against another Power-5 also-ran, Washington State, while going 4-0 against West Coast Conference teams. Boise State beat a couple more Power-5 also-rans in Washington State and Colorado and also knocked off Texas A&M in a tournament. They went 2-0 against the A10 as well, beating Loyola-Chicago and St. Louis. But they lost at home to South Dakota State and suffered double-digit losses to Charlotte and Santa Clara. Nevada lost its only two Power-5 games, to Kansas State and Oregon and also lost badly to Loyola Marymount. Their best non-conference win was against who, Tulane? Fordham and George Mason both beat Tulane as well. 

Obviously they did something right to get the Net ratings they got. I guess my point is, it really shouldn't be THAT hard for the A10 to get back to this level. These teams had gaudy records and NET ratings, but none really look like world-beaters to me. 
 

lilpav30 wrote:

Play Rice first round.

Ironic opponent, one of the few major teams with a longer NCAA drought than us