kidd082000 wrote:

Finally some scheduling news! Not a great field, but a game against any Big Ten team should be good for the Net Ranking. 

https://twitter.com/RoccoMiller8/status/1664032632685105152?s=20

Thanks for the link.  This is just like the Kentucky MTE last year where we host two games and then play on the road against Nebraska.  Hopefully, we will get a Power 5 scalp this year,  
 

Stony Brook and Rider are the other 2 teams the Dukes will host.   Decent mix, would be nice to get a P5 road win.   Could use another P5 or quality road game to boost up SOS.  After last years final 4, does P5 really mean as much?

We all know that a relatively close loss to a P5 is way better than a resounding win over a creampuff!
Would love to see 2 or 3 P5 teams on the schedule though not always easy to do. Would almost always have to be road games.

townsonkid wrote:

Stony Brook and Rider are the other 2 teams the Dukes will host.   Decent mix, would be nice to get a P5 road win.   Could use another P5 or quality road game to boost up SOS.  After last years final 4, does P5 really mean as much?

It's not so much P5 as compared to the Dukes' record against Quad 1 and Quad 2 teams (most of these teams would be members of the Top 7 conferences (P5, plus Big East plus Mountain West).  Here is the criteria from last year:

What is a Quadrant 1 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 1-30
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 1-50 
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 1-75
What is a Quadrant 2 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 31-75
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 51-100
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 76-135
What is a Quadrant 3 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 76-160
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 101-200
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 135-240
What is a Quadrant 4 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 161-363
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 201-363
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 241-363

Last year, the entire A10 conference was only able to play a total of 30 Quad 1 games; these games are very hard to schedule.  Unfortunately, the A10 finished 3-27 in these Quad 1 games.  Unless your A10 team is a near lock to be a Top 75 team (VCU and maybe Dayton/Saint Louis fell into this category last year), why would a top program agree to play you since it's only going to give you at best a Quad 3 win or at worse, a Quad 3/4 loss?  Very little upside with a win and a lot of downside with a loss.
  
Here was the Dukes Quad breakdown:
Dukes finished at #137 in the NET (so a win against the Dukes only got our opponent a Quad 3 win).
Dukes Quad 1 Record: 0-1
Dukes Quad 2 Record: 1-3
Dukes Quad 3 Record:  9-7
Dukes Quad 4 Record: 10-2

When you combine the difficulties in scheduling non-conference Quad 1 and Quad 2 games AND have a really down year in the A10 conference (with only 3 teams in the top 100), at large bids become scarce or non-existent.

The A10 needs to do more in finding conference partners for scheduling purposes (sort of like the A10/Mountain West challenge games that were blown up by Covid).  When the projected top teams in the respective conferences play each other, it can benefit both teams.  And the Dukes need to participate in more 8 team tournament formats so that there are opportunities to get two Quad 1/2 games on a neutral site.  This Nebraska MTE will likely get the Dukes a Quad 2 game and two Quad 3/4 games against Stonybrook and Rider.

As an added incentive, the winner of this game will be the inaugural recipient of the Danny Nee Cup.

Ironduke81 wrote:

El Presidente wrote:

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

It's not so much P5 as compared to the Dukes' record against Quad 1 and Quad 2 teams (most of these teams would be members of the Top 7 conferences (P5, plus Big East plus Mountain West).  Here is the criteria from last year:

What is a Quadrant 1 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 1-30
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 1-50 
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 1-75
What is a Quadrant 2 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 31-75
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 51-100
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 76-135
What is a Quadrant 3 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 76-160
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 101-200
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 135-240
What is a Quadrant 4 win?
- Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 161-363
- Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 201-363
- Away games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 241-363

Last year, the entire A10 conference was only able to play a total of 30 Quad 1 games; these games are very hard to schedule.  Unfortunately, the A10 finished 3-27 in these Quad 1 games.  Unless your A10 team is a near lock to be a Top 75 team (VCU and maybe Dayton/Saint Louis fell into this category last year), why would a top program agree to play you since it's only going to give you at best a Quad 3 win or at worse, a Quad 3/4 loss?  Very little upside with a win and a lot of downside with a loss.
  
Here was the Dukes Quad breakdown:
Dukes finished at #137 in the NET (so a win against the Dukes only got our opponent a Quad 3 win).
Dukes Quad 1 Record: 0-1
Dukes Quad 2 Record: 1-3
Dukes Quad 3 Record:  9-7
Dukes Quad 4 Record: 10-2

When you combine the difficulties in scheduling non-conference Quad 1 and Quad 2 games AND have a really down year in the A10 conference (with only 3 teams in the top 100), at large bids become scarce or non-existent.

The A10 needs to do more in finding conference partners for scheduling purposes (sort of like the A10/Mountain West challenge games that were blown up by Covid).  When the projected top teams in the respective conferences play each other, it can benefit both teams.  And the Dukes need to participate in more 8 team tournament formats so that there are opportunities to get two Quad 1/2 games on a neutral site.  This Nebraska MTE will likely get the Dukes a Quad 2 game and two Quad 3/4 games against Stonybrook and Rider.

Very informative post. Lots of homework there. Thanks!

Great post👍Thankyou

Agree. In the English I learned, a "quadrant" is one-fourth of something. So I thought a Quad 1 team was in the top 90 or so. In this scheme, the top group is smallest and the bottom group is largest. This just makes it even harder to schedule better teams because to get an at-large NCAA bid the "quads" have to be considered. This is Pitt's only justification for avoiding us.