Not that this alone is a good or bad thing, but I assume he’s related to Jim?

https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1763367758778229043?s=19

What if his best friend Mr. James has promised  the AD 1 or 2 million $$ to use for NIL If Coach Joyce is the next head coach. No longer about the x & Os if you can buy top flight Jimmy’s & Joes. Just a thought 🤔🤔🤔

I was thinking how much college basketball has changed just in the last several years.  It has always been somewhat of a business but was governed as an amateur sport.  Some schools used to "cheat" to gain advantages, but the rules were designed to protect armature status and treat players first as students who were athletes.  Judicial rulings that were previously only applied to business labor relationships have been applied to college athletics and forever changed CBB. 
Players are no longer student athletes but are one year contract employees free to work each year for the highest bidder of their services.   Coaches are really managers with budgets and performance objectives.  The AD’s are the CFO responsible for fund raising and managing return on investment.  The stockholders are the NIL Fund doners and advertisers that pay the players’ salaries, as well as the University that covers staff salaries, facilities and marketing. 
The problem today for most fans is that they do not yet recognize this paradigm shift. The coach is no longer selling student life and academics to recruit prospective players. The only real question the kids, or the kid’s agent has, is can you beat this price.  Moreover, some still think kids are going to stay with the program if they like the coach. Absolutely wrong!  From the players perspective, especially ones that have talent, their goal is to maximize their market value and get paid the highest salary over the course of their college career. The better the job of the coach in developing talent the more the market value of the player increases. The only way to retain these players is to pay market value.  The only way to do that is to have a strong NIL.
It is a new world of CBB. There is the old saying that superior talent will make average coaches look great.  If I am the AD there is one coaching talent that stands out above the others and that is the ability to increase the NIL fund.

Great points.  Our next coach needs to be seasoned professional with prior experience interacting with wealthy donors and raising money.  The game has changed and money matters.  We need someone who can develop a culture an environment so players WANT to stay AND has the ability to help raise money to pay the players.  A big ask, but this is the world we are now living in.

Ironduke81 wrote:

What if his best friend Mr. James has promised the AD 1 or 2 million $$ to use for NIL If Coach Joyce is the next head coach. No longer about the x & Os if you can buy top flight Jimmy’s & Joes. Just a thought 🤔🤔🤔

Yes, that would certainly be something worth exploring.  

SkepticAl wrote:

Perhaps DU should de-emphasize major college athletics -  be more like Carnegie Mellon (They DO have a basketball team)  The school would continue to offer the Duquesne Education to any athlete who desires one going forward recruit STUDENT-ATHLETES as opposed to ATHLETE-STUDENTS.   Spare me the "Gonzaga Argument" where there is the talk about how admissions etc increase due to the quality of the basketball team -   I will counter with the "Indiana Argument"   when Bob Knight was terminated -  contributions/donations to the athletic department declined -  it was MORE THAN OFFSET by increases to the University as a whole.   Perhaps more attention should be given to Andy the Accountant and Paula the Pharmacist as opposed to Joann the Jump Shooter and Raymond the Rebounder.

Now there's a thought. Hartford (about 6000 students) went from D-1 to D-3 and St. Francis (NY) (about 2500 students) dropped intercollegiate athletics altogether. They're still in business. Besides, how many current students came to Duquesne becsuse of successful sports teams?
 

An emphatic, no thank you, to a lesser level of or no basketball.

applecorps wrote:

phil95 wrote:

An emphatic, no thank you, to a lesser level of or no basketball.

I second that motion.

I third that motion.

PhoenixRising2 wrote:

CityDuke wrote:

applecorps wrote:

I second that motion.

I third that motion.

Fourth.

Shouldn’t even be a talking point but not a surprise. Guess I’ll say fifth. I just don’t understand a lot of you!

scduke wrote:

SkepticAl wrote:

Perhaps DU should de-emphasize major college athletics -  be more like Carnegie Mellon (They DO have a basketball team)  The school would continue to offer the Duquesne Education to any athlete who desires one going forward recruit STUDENT-ATHLETES as opposed to ATHLETE-STUDENTS.   Spare me the "Gonzaga Argument" where there is the talk about how admissions etc increase due to the quality of the basketball team -   I will counter with the "Indiana Argument"   when Bob Knight was terminated -  contributions/donations to the athletic department declined -  it was MORE THAN OFFSET by increases to the University as a whole.   Perhaps more attention should be given to Andy the Accountant and Paula the Pharmacist as opposed to Joann the Jump Shooter and Raymond the Rebounder.

Now there's a thought. Hartford (about 6000 students) went from D-1 to D-3 and St. Francis (NY) (about 2500 students) dropped intercollegiate athletics altogether. They're still in business. Besides, how many current students came to Duquesne becsuse of successful sports teams?
 

When I initially read your post it was in my opinion total heresy. I still disagree that the Dukes should drop down. But your point about the students receiving aid is in my opinion valid. I can guarantee that those accountants, pharmacists, doctors, lawyers, etc… will give back to the University. These basketball players don’t give 💩about the University. Oh my bad the football players, soccer etc indeed  give back. I still believe in this basketball program based upon the leadership of Gormley. Go Dukes.👍

Duquesne could best help those 8100 by reigning in the cost of their education.  The last time Duquesne went to the NCAA, tuition was about 12K for a four-year degree and starting salaries were probably around 12-14K per year.  Today, tuition for that same four-year degree would be around 180K and starting salaries would be around 60K.  So, starting salaries are up about 4X and tuition is up about 15X.
Solving that is a much more complex task than the cost of funding a basketball team.   Downgrading to a lower conference or eliminating the sport entirely would make as much sense as cutting funding to the team to raise more money for the Tamburitzans.  Wait.. didn’t we try that once before?  

Box & One wrote:

Only at Duquesne would the fan base encourage firing the head coach with a winning record.

This program has had two head coaches with winning records since Red Manning retired in 1974.

2 in 50 years.


I will start a Novena.

I would put it this way. DU was not patient with RE, but extended KD's contract. All was fair. KD will likely, at his age retire. That's fair. I really don't care after careful study that they do or don't give it to Dru. KD had a long career and DU will likely more on. I'm not a fan of KD, but I'm rooting for his team through this season. They are doing well, not great, but the last days of this season are not done. But, win or lose, DU should more on. I'll leave you with just one more point, it's not only at DU. Blogs every school call for a new coach, even when they are winning? Ask PITT how that push to get rid of Dixon is working out.