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1/03/2014 12:58 pm  #1


Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

I've only been casully following this year, and even in the good years, I never got into the recruiting aspect of the game, but could someone please explain to me (without emotion) the whole Robinson thing and what was the problem with the NCAA?  I would appreciate it.  Happy New Year guys.


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1/03/2014 3:55 pm  #2


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

When a player comes from Junior college he must have earned a legitimate degree from that college.  That means a diploma.  Within the curriculum must be courses that would qualify the player to be in the same year (sophomore, junior, etc.) in the college he's transferring to.  That must not have been the case with Robinson.  About ten years ago, the St. Bonaventure Bonnies had a player who was a JC transfer.  He had a diploma that was not more than a welding certificate.  His curriculum would not have earned him a spot in St. Bonaventure's junior class.  He played anyway and the Bonnies were put on NCAA probation.  The big mistake was that the Bonnies did not submit the player's JC curriculum to the NCAA like Duquesne did with Robinson.  It took eight seasons for St. Bonaventure to get up off the mat and be competitive.  Duquesne did the right thing in submitting Robinson's curriculum to the NCAA.  There is no NCAA clearing house for JC transfers.  There should be.  This decision would not have taken this long.

 

1/03/2014 4:12 pm  #3


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

Bilgy, Robinson was not a JUCO. I don't know the details, but I think your description as it applies to Robinson is incorrect.

 

1/03/2014 4:21 pm  #4


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

Robinson is not a JC Transfer.  He is coming in as a Freshman.  He needed to "qualify".

Division I - In order to become a "qualifier" as defined by the NCAA, prospective student-athletes are required to have graduated from high school, and to have successfully completed a core curriculum consisting of the following:

English (4 years)
Mathematics (2 years)
Science (2 years)
Social Science (2 years)
An additional course in English, mathematics or science (1 year)
Additional courses in any of the above, or in computer science, philosophy, nondoctrinal religion or foreign language (2 years)
A "qualifier" must also achieve a combination of minimum grade-point average (in the core curriculum) and minimum SAT/ACT score as indicated by the NCAA's "Division I Qualifier Index".

I certainly don't know all of the details with Robinson, but I would guess that the issue was the courses that he took (or did not take) at Quality Education Academy in Winston-Salem, NC.  This school has many red flags, both from the NCAA and the state of North Carolina.  Kids coming out of this school (and others like it) face harsher scrutiny over their classes and grades.  Here's an article on this school, coach and issues:

http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2013/01/28/charter-schools-international-basketball-team-raises-oversight-questions/

 

 

1/03/2014 4:32 pm  #5


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

Also, for what it's worth, I don't believe this was a Duquesne issue.  Robinson would have faced similar scrutiny regardless of what D-1 school he chose to attend.  I also believe that 10 years ago, Duquesne would never have signed / enrolled Robinson and Derrick Martin (who also attended a prep school in North Carolina).  They have stuck their neck out a bit to assist the basketball program in securing these recruits.  Sometimes it doesn't work out as initially planned.

 

1/03/2014 4:40 pm  #6


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

We mostly presumed that the NCAA was taking an excessive amount of time in reaching a simple decision. Evidently, there was a hold on the decision until the semester ended. Apparently, if Robinson had achieved something better (than what he apparently achieved) in the fall semester, he would have got the qual for the rest of the season.

We certainly hope he gets things done in time for next season.

 

1/03/2014 4:57 pm  #7


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

Guys, is this speculation or do we have knowledge of the situation?

 

1/03/2014 5:01 pm  #8


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

applecorps, although the timing lines up with your thought process, I don't believe the 1st semester grades had anything to do with the NCAA decision.  If Robinson did in fact get the waiver to practice with the team next semester, that would indicate that his first semester grades were good and he is progressing at a satisfactory academic rate.  The NCAA could have disallowed him from practicing with the team and pulled his scholarship; they did neither.

 

1/03/2014 5:35 pm  #9


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

Does anyone have insight into what this means for the young man's future as a Duke?
Is he going to quietly disappear next year and another scholarship becomes available? Or, is the university working toward NCAA compliance in order to keep him for four more years?

 

1/03/2014 5:43 pm  #10


Re: Robinsonn and the NCAA. Please help

indygjm wrote:

Does anyone have insight into what this means for the young man's future as a Duke?
Is he going to quietly disappear next year and another scholarship becomes available? Or, is the university working toward NCAA compliance in order to keep him for four more years?

Based upon what we think we know (he has been ruled a non-qualifier, allowed to keep his scholarship and allowed to practice with the team), he has the opportunity to play for 4 years at Duquesne.  In order to keep his eligibility, he must continue to make satisfactory progress toward his degree as defined by the NCAA (certain nuumber of credits; certain minimum GPA).

Also, this has nothing to do with Duquesne's compliance with the NCAA.  The issue is between Robinson and the NCAA.

Last edited by PhoenixRising2 (1/03/2014 5:45 pm)

 

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