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12/10/2024 7:40 pm  #1


Game Thread - Maine Black Bears

Tip-off Wednesday 12/10, 7:00 PM EST at the UPMC Cooper Fieldhouse

Coverage on ESPN+
Radio: 104/7 HD2 with Ray Goss and Noah Buono


KenPom (364 D1 Programs):
#215 Duquesne (2-7)
Wins vs. #233 Delaware and #327 Old Dominion. Losses vs. #265 Hampton, #227 St. Peters, #162 Milwaukee, #117 South Dakota State, #107 Princeton, #97 DePaul, and #96 Lipscomb.
#217 Maine (6-5)
D1 Wins vs. #145 Elon, at #191 Brown, #314 Navy, and #331 Holy Cross. Losses at #309 Penn, at #235 Quinnipiac, at #207 Richmond, at #199 Fordham, and at #3 Duke.

Haslametrics:
#215 Duquesne - 67
#205 Maine - 65

https://haslametrics.com/preview.php?yr=&tid1=645&tid2=4391&neut=0

BartTorvik:
#182 Duquesne - 68
#229 Maine - 63

https://www.barttorvik.com/trank.php?&year=2025&t1l=Maine&t2l=Duquesne#

Duquesne Preview:
https://goduquesne.com/news/2024/12/10/mens-basketball-duquesne-wraps-homestand-vs-maine.aspx

Maine Preview:
https://goblackbears.com/news/2024/12/10/preview-mens-basketball-continues-road-trip-with-stop-at-duquesne-on-wednesday-night.aspx

Duquesne 67.2% chance of win. (ESPN) No betting line yet.


 

Last edited by BluffHunter (12/10/2024 7:51 pm)

 

12/10/2024 9:21 pm  #2


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It's mindless watching the same one player in the game 35 plus minutes a game with this record.  With so much talent coming into this year, no one expected these results.  I hope the heck we see more players get a chance off the bench than who has been in on the court making this season this bad. It's not just me thinking this. 

Last edited by NapaDuke (12/11/2024 8:59 am)

 

12/11/2024 9:39 am  #3


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I believe the Dukes are starting to feel more comfortable and confident playing together. There were a lot of positives from the last game. A few guys like Chabi and Crawford who didn't play much in the early games are making a big difference. So much talent and potential on this team. Keep the faith. Go Dukes 🏀

 

12/11/2024 9:43 am  #4


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Spread is Duquesne -6.5 o/u 132.5. (ESPN)

     Thread Starter
 

12/11/2024 10:57 am  #5


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Napa, couldn't agree more, but that is what happens when you don't recruit a true PG.

 

12/11/2024 3:32 pm  #6


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PistolPete wrote:

Napa, couldn't agree more, but that is what happens when you don't recruit a true PG.

BANG

 

12/11/2024 5:43 pm  #7


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Time to start stacking wins.

 

12/11/2024 6:56 pm  #8


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CLK wrote:

I believe the Dukes are starting to feel more comfortable and confident playing together. There were a lot of positives from the last game. A few guys like Chabi and Crawford who didn't play much in the early games are making a big difference. So much talent and potential on this team. Keep the faith. Go Dukes 🏀

I'm with you CLK. This team is going to get better and better. Keeping the faith here. Go Dukes! 

 

12/11/2024 7:36 pm  #9


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Thinking once Dimchele comes back Dinkins is going to the bench. Not sure i've seen a player so lackadaisacle in my life

 

12/11/2024 7:40 pm  #10


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Corbett soft as ice cream. Edwards forget it. Keep Necas in and Matus. Cmon Joyce coach.

 

12/11/2024 8:20 pm  #11


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Offense is terrible. Either lose the ball or almost lose the ball every time down the court.


 

 

12/11/2024 8:21 pm  #12


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Think legalized sports betting has killed mid major teams. Some guys playing on this team, not the layovers, but the incoming guys don't look anything like they did at their previous schools. I mean I don't care how bad a coach is, but you can't hit a layup, or hit a guy wide open, or make a foul shot, and can't do any of those things through 10 games against inferior competition. It's gotta make you wonder. 

Last edited by Rayrich (12/11/2024 8:22 pm)

 

12/11/2024 8:36 pm  #13


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Maine Coach nice job pressure on in bound. Then trap. Joyce clueless. Long year. Over his head..

 

12/11/2024 9:02 pm  #14


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Ray rich much respect but it’s coaching. Joyce over his head. How can the returning players sooo digress? This program dead last A10. Sorry but I have seen enough. AAU basketball. The Prez & AD must be sick. The Dukes program has gone from the penthouse to the basement. Oh well last years run was fantastic. Thank you President Gormley

 

12/11/2024 9:12 pm  #15


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Ironduke81 wrote:

Ray rich much respect but it’s coaching. Joyce over his head. How can the returning players sooo digress? This program dead last A10. Sorry but I have seen enough. AAU basketball. The Prez & AD must be sick. The Dukes program has gone from the penthouse to the basement. Oh well last years run was fantastic. Thank you President Gormley

Thanks Ironduke. but think it's a little of both. Our country and way of life is going in the tank pretty much. People got to make money,
 

 

12/11/2024 9:18 pm  #16


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Rayrich wrote:

Ironduke81 wrote:

Maine Coach nice job pressure on in bound. Then trap. Joyce clueless. Long year. Over his head..

Players not trying because they or their family and friends have Maine plus the 6.5. Easy money. That's where we are at with legal sports betting unfortunately.
 

That is wildly slanderous. I’m devastated with this season too, but I wouldn’t infer intentional criminality. Metaphor or not

 

12/11/2024 9:23 pm  #17


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I think that will end the season for me.   Cancel my espn+, cant get the radio broadcast where i live, and thats fine.  Just no interest in watching this garbage, its too depressing.   I’ll check boxscores and back here,  but thats about it. 
Hopefully next year is better. 

Guess i’ll go back to the gym instead.  🤷🏻‍♂️✌🏼

 

12/11/2024 9:31 pm  #18


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rosceaux wrote:

Rayrich wrote:

Ironduke81 wrote:

Maine Coach nice job pressure on in bound. Then trap. Joyce clueless. Long year. Over his head..

Players not trying because they or their family and friends have Maine plus the 6.5. Easy money. That's where we are at with legal sports betting unfortunately.
 

That is wildly slanderous. I’m devastated with this season too, but I wouldn’t infer intentional criminality. Metaphor or not

Nothing slanderous or illegal about it. Just nobody regulating it. Kind of what the factory schools have been doing for decades . Just pretty obvious at this point.

 

12/11/2024 9:35 pm  #19


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They are just not good.  You can't get something that isn't there.  I don't even know if John Wooden could win with them.  It is what it is.

 

12/11/2024 10:02 pm  #20


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Played defense again well enough to win.  No attempt at transition baskets. We had drives to the basket in the beginning that produced fouls and got their Bigs in trouble in a hurry, then forgot about drives to the basket in the second half?  We missed enough foul shot, again, to have won it.  And who in the heck figured out to run that very bad half-court  offense in the second half with those lazy lobs around the perimeter? It caused easy steals to easy baskets for Maine? And we stuck to it?  Once again, they pressured our inbounds, mainly because we don't run past them down the court, but instead pass East to West and chew clock getting down the court?  The longer we don't run it down the court, the more teams are going to press and trap. It's not the kids, it's the coaching. It's like the coaches are coaching out all the offensive skills these kids have.  

Last edited by NapaDuke (12/11/2024 10:08 pm)

 

12/11/2024 10:20 pm  #21


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That was brutal to watch, and would have only been marginally better had we found a way to pull out a W. Cannon referenced the first Lipscomb game on the broadcast, but I think this one might have been even worse. That one was just about not being able to sink a three. This one looked like a high school JV game for most of the second half.

I think we all like Dru and certainly want him to succeed, but he looks in way over his head. We had absolutely no answer to their zones. After they went to a zone shortly after halftime we proceeded to score nine points while turning the ball over seven times in nine and a half minutes. For the game we were 9 for 32 (28%) from TWO point range and 45% from the foul line. This wasn't UNLV from the early 90's we were facing. They lost by double digits to Fordham and Penn and lost another to Quinnipiac. It's going to be a long season, and as has been pointed out Joyce probably gets at least two more.

Last edited by luckymcd (12/11/2024 10:23 pm)

 

12/11/2024 10:25 pm  #22


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Multiple wide open looks from 3 down the stretch and our shooter made 1-5. Dinkins was the only guy who made his 3’s when the game was on the line.  Nice shooting on his part, just wish he had taken the little jumper from the lane instead of the kick out pass that was stolen and cost a critical possession.  Once they took away Dinkins open looks, I might have preferred to see Necas set up for the open 3’s instead of Matus, but guys just have to make some open shots.  This team is very very challenged to make even open shots.  The 3-2 zone by Maine in the second half should have been carved up and destroyed.  It took far too long for Duquesne to attack and get open shots, but for the most part they missed anyway. 

Responding  to Napa and his comments on not going to the hoop in the second half; that was due to the tightly packed 3-2 zone employed by Maine.  It took away driving lanes and basically challenged Duquesne to hit some open shots from distance.  They didn’t hit enough to win!

Kind of a bad look at the end when the Dukes let 17-seconds run off the clock before fouling.  The clock was at 38-seconds when Maine took over up by 3.  If the decision was to foul it should have been immediately, not when the clock ran down to 21-seconds. 
Oh well,  I keep hoping they hit bottom and start to move upward.  Could this be the bottom?

Last edited by levon1975 (12/11/2024 10:42 pm)

 

12/11/2024 10:34 pm  #23


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Rayrich wrote:

townsonkid wrote:

I think that will end the season for me. Cancel my espn+, cant get the radio broadcast where i live, and thats fine. Just no interest in watching this garbage, its too depressing. I’ll check boxscores and back here, but thats about it.
Hopefully next year is better.

Guess i’ll go back to the gym instead. 🤷🏻‍♂️✌🏼

Yeah working out everyday gets me through lifes BS. Live in the Adirondacks of NY so we have two feet of snow on the ground most times. Shovel 3 or 4 hours a day most days in winter, but always carve out a space in my driveway where I can get an hour morning workout. www.fallenlimbwoodcraft.com i'm a woodcarver and obsessed Dukes fan

I golf a lot, now in my 50s i am losing distance, it happens, but want to get some power back.  I’m only an hr south of Pittsburgh, so dont get that much snow(wish we would, once) for the natural workouts.

 

12/12/2024 8:05 am  #24


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The morning after…
I wonder if Dru will lose the team. I saw hints last night…
-terrible lollipop passes which resulted in so many turnovers
-no foul shot improvement
-slouching on bench
-guys out of all who I would play because they care- it doesn’t matter anymore, they don’t have the horses
-Rozier, Necas, Hronsky, Dixon, n Jake when he comes back. Maybe Dinkins but his passes were poor
- Folks, this team has program failure on it - no discipline, losing to poor teams, an embarrassing year. I would be surprised if this team wins more than 5 games this year.
I don’t even know where they would start.

 

12/12/2024 8:56 am  #25


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levon1975 wrote:

Multiple wide open looks from 3 down the stretch and our shooter made 1-5. Dinkins was the only guy who made his 3’s when the game was on the line. Nice shooting on his part, just wish he had taken the little jumper from the lane instead of the kick out pass that was stolen and cost a critical possession. Once they took away Dinkins open looks, I might have preferred to see Necas set up for the open 3’s instead of Matus, but guys just have to make some open shots. This team is very very challenged to make even open shots. The 3-2 zone by Maine in the second half should have been carved up and destroyed. It took far too long for Duquesne to attack and get open shots, but for the most part they missed anyway.

Responding to Napa and his comments on not going to the hoop in the second half; that was due to the tightly packed 3-2 zone employed by Maine. It took away driving lanes and basically challenged Duquesne to hit some open shots from distance. They didn’t hit enough to win!

Kind of a bad look at the end when the Dukes let 17-seconds run off the clock before fouling. The clock was at 38-seconds when Maine took over up by 3. If the decision was to foul it should have been immediately, not when the clock ran down to 21-seconds.
Oh well, I keep hoping they hit bottom and start to move upward. Could this be the bottom?

It was apparent that they were playing zone defense. But all their bigs were in foul trouble and would have to lay off on anyone driving the paint. Also, you beat the zone by driving and collapsing the zone to the ball, then you either pass it out for an open shot or drive it to the hoop expecting them to foul.. Even that alley-oop would work if we tried.  Dinkins had a nice drive to an apparent shot attempt in the paint, but passed on it?  If we don't handle the zone we can expect to see more of it.

 

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