I would have thought that Eli and Barre would have got more than 3 min. and 9 min. in a game that the last place team clearly out played us in the paint and all those rebounds let Fordham run in transition. Their bigs had the game of their  career out muscling us?  This is one game that we could have used 2 bigs in at all times, not one.

El Presidente wrote:

Truly a disappointment yesterday. I'm baffled by Dixon's lack of development offensively. As a freshman he showed flashes of what looked to be a very high ceiling but seeing very little improvement in that area. Should have been able to develop offensive moves in the paint and strong finish by now but seriously lacking them in my view. Thought he would be a double-digit scorer. Any thoughts here? Anyway-GO DUKES!!

You are right, but he has always been consistently inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance followed by complete disappearance. I think all our bigs should maybe forego the spectacular lob dunks for awhile and just start making point blank layups. 
 

Again...Barre and Dixon, our 2 big men combined for 3 points!  Dixon is skilled but too timid.  Barre is not skilled but more aggressive.  

El Presidente wrote:

Truly a disappointment yesterday. I'm baffled by Dixon's lack of development offensively. As a freshman he showed flashes of what looked to be a very high ceiling but seeing very little improvement in that area. Should have been able to develop offensive moves in the paint and strong finish by now but seriously lacking them in my view. Thought he would be a double-digit scorer. Any thoughts here? Anyway-GO DUKES!!

I don't completely agree.I think Dixon needs to get 10 to 20 pounds of muscle before next year, than he might be  NBA stuff. But, in this game  Barre, or Eli should have been the center and Dixon and Necas strong forward, with a combo of Corbett and Edwards at small forward. We used Rozier too early and too often, but the center wasn't secured early to make him effective. It's not on the guards, the coaching staff didn't realize we were losing under the basket first. We can beat this team next game if we take the paint first. Our guards are way better than Fordham's guards any day.. 

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The starting lineup should be Rozier, Edwards, Necas, Crawford,  and Wilborn. Let's see if Dinkins, and Corbett do better off the bench. Hronsky, Barre, and Dixon will get their fair share of minutes as well and deservedly so  Time to mix it up and find some combinations that haven't been on the floor together and see how it works. Nobody is expecting a win at St. Joe's so it's a good time experiment to see what's works best down the A-10 stretch. Got another 10 games after Wednesday and a lot of winnable ones. 

We aren’t that bad and we aren’t that good…
     I didn’t want to start a new thread…
     At the beginning of the schedule, some of us (me too) didn’t think Duquesne would win more than 5. I was wrong. During the winning streak, the thought was Dru figured it out and we are really good. Well, we lost our best big man and our 2 leading scorers from last year. We have a first year coach and a number of transfers. Nothing brilliant here, but we are average. We should be competitive in most games, lose some we should have won (Fordham), win some we might not be ready for (St. Joseph at home) and now and then get blown out ( Dayton).  My hope is always that we are competitive (we are) and every few years get to the NIT or NCAA. We just don’t have top tier players this year but they work hard and do compete. I can accept that. Go Dukes!

Rayrich wrote:

The starting lineup should be Rozier, Edwards, Necas, Crawford,  and Wilborn. Let's see if Dinkins, and Corbett do better off the bench. Hronsky, Barre, and Dixon will get their fair share of minutes as well and deservedly so  Time to mix it up and find some combinations that haven't been on the floor together and see how it works. Nobody is expecting a win at St. Joe's so it's a good time experiment to see what's works best down the A-10 stretch. Got another 10 games after Wednesday and a lot of winnable ones. 

I’m curious why you think Rozier should be starting over Dinkins.  Currently, Rozier averages more mins a game than Dinkins and is scoring less. Dinkins is not my ideal PG but he doesn’t turn the ball over all that much and he’s a better penetrator.  Also, he can create a shot where Rozier has to be wide open to take one.  Kareem’s strengths play perfectly into coming off the bench.  I still think he is playing too much. He is so easy to guard and he can’t create off the dribble.  The offense is SO predictable when Kareem is in there for extended periods of time and it stalls.  15 mins a game is perfect for him. I totally agree with mixing it up though. I’m surprised we don’t play bigger sometimes.  Give me Matus, Cam, Necas, Dixon, and Wilborn all at once. That’s a giant, athletic lineup who can guard and score.  Maybe not for an extended period of time but 4-5 minutes.  Dru has done a nice job getting 10 guys run - but I think there’s more to mine there.

Good points. Corbett when on brings it. Unfortunately, in a tight game Coach Dru can’t put him on the court because he can’t convert a 1&1 on the foul line. If you look at his technique he chicken wings his left elbow. However, that same technique is an advantage when he attacks the basket. For anyone who golf’s if you have bad technique you could go to the driving range 7 days a week & you will still hook or slice. Basically, stink. Crunch time you need Rozier because of his passing and foul shooting abilities, however his playing time should be reduced. Dixon will play well against St Joes because they are not a physical team in the paint. Coach Dru has to increase Chabi’s and Wilburn’s playing time when facing a physical front court. Again this is his first year as a head coach but I love his roster as well as his progress. Go Dukes.

Stats don’t give the whole picture, that’s for sure, but they can debunk a few misconceptions:

Kareem at PG. He leads all players but Corbett in mins. He’s scoring 7.4 pts a game. That’s good for 6th on the team. He’s only avg 3.9 assts. so he’s 7 points 4 assts a game at almost 29 mins a game. And when he gets to the FT line he’s hitting 68%. That’s 6th on the team behind David Dixon. He turns it over once a game. And finally, Kareem has the worst FG % on the team at 34%.

Trey at PG. leads the team in scoring at 11.4 a game in less mins than Kareem. He’s avg 2.7 assts a game. They both rebound about the same. Trey leads the team in FT % at 77.6 He turns the ball over 1.5 times a game. Trey shoots FG at 39%

Trey is a better 3 point shooter by a wide margin too. 38% to 34%

To me it’s clear Trey should be playing more. Starting and finishing games. Kareem will provide the energy, gritty plays off the bench and maybe have them both out there at the end of the game on the offensive possession because you need Trey for FT shooting.

Kareem is very likable and plays with so much heart We know and love him here so it makes us think he should play more but let the stats speak for themselves. Play Trey 30 mins a game and reduce Kareem to 15. I know with Jake on the bench that is tough but we have a large enough sample size now. Kareem at 28 mins a game hurts the team. Give Trey those extra 5-7 mins and we’ll be a better team. Kareem’s shooting percentages will increase as well

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Styles1229 wrote:

Stats don’t give the whole picture, that’s for sure, but they can debunk a few misconceptions:

Kareem at PG. He leads all players but Corbett in mins. He’s scoring 7.4 pts a game. That’s good for 6th on the team. He’s only avg 3.9 assts. so he’s 7 points 4 assts a game at almost 29 mins a game. And when he gets to the FT line he’s hitting 68%. That’s 6th on the team behind David Dixon. He turns it over once a game. And finally, Kareem has the worst FG % on the team at 34%.

Trey at PG. leads the team in scoring at 11.4 a game in less mins than Kareem. He’s avg 2.7 assts a game. They both rebound about the same. Trey leads the team in FT % at 77.6 He turns the ball over 1.5 times a game. Trey shoots FG at 39%

Trey is a better 3 point shooter by a wide margin too. 38% to 34%

To me it’s clear Trey should be playing more. Starting and finishing games. Kareem will provide the energy, gritty plays off the bench and maybe have them both out there at the end of the game on the offensive possession because you need Trey for FT shooting.

Kareem is very likable and plays with so much heart We know and love him here so it makes us think he should play more but let the stats speak for themselves. Play Trey 30 mins a game and reduce Kareem to 15. I know with Jake on the bench that is tough but we have a large enough sample size now. Kareem at 28 mins a game hurts the team. Give Trey those extra 5-7 mins and we’ll be a better team. Kareem’s shooting percentages will increase as well

Tre has been brutal in the first half of recent games. Solid in the second half, but kind of blew it with that ridiculous one on one move late versus Fordham and then missed the wide open shot late. Seems to not distribute enough. Too much one on one, much like the other senior transfer Corbett. Next year will be special with DiMichele and the beast from Furman in Williams. That dude is going to open things up. Not sure where your total dislike of Rozier is coming from. Rozier was in the top ten in turnover/assist ratio in the country before the Dayton game. The Dukes would be nowhere without his contributions the last two years. He might frustrate at times, but i'll take him every time down the stretch. Trust him more than anybody late. 
 

BluffHunter wrote:

Styles1229 wrote:

Stats don’t give the whole picture, that’s for sure, but they can debunk a few misconceptions:

Kareem at PG. He leads all players but Corbett in mins. He’s scoring 7.4 pts a game. That’s good for 6th on the team. He’s only avg 3.9 assts. so he’s 7 points 4 assts a game at almost 29 mins a game. And when he gets to the FT line he’s hitting 68%. That’s 6th on the team behind David Dixon. He turns it over once a game. And finally, Kareem has the worst FG % on the team at 34%.

Trey at PG. leads the team in scoring at 11.4 a game in less mins than Kareem. He’s avg 2.7 assts a game. They both rebound about the same. Trey leads the team in FT % at 77.6 He turns the ball over 1.5 times a game. Trey shoots FG at 39%

Trey is a better 3 point shooter by a wide margin too. 38% to 34%

To me it’s clear Trey should be playing more. Starting and finishing games. Kareem will provide the energy, gritty plays off the bench and maybe have them both out there at the end of the game on the offensive possession because you need Trey for FT shooting.

Kareem is very likable and plays with so much heart We know and love him here so it makes us think he should play more but let the stats speak for themselves. Play Trey 30 mins a game and reduce Kareem to 15. I know with Jake on the bench that is tough but we have a large enough sample size now. Kareem at 28 mins a game hurts the team. Give Trey those extra 5-7 mins and we’ll be a better team. Kareem’s shooting percentages will increase as well

Tre needs to stop with the errant passes. Seems like every game he has these lackadaiacal passes from up top that the defense can read from a mile away for a breakaway

Trey is not ideal. This team lacks a very good starting PG. I have issues with Trey too.  I’m just making the case that he needs to play a lot more than Kareem. Trey is clearly a volume shooter. Both players will be better for it.

Rayrich wrote:

Styles1229 wrote:

Rayrich wrote:

Tre has been brutal in the first half of recent games. Solid in the second half, but kind of blew it with that ridiculous one on one move late versus Fordham and then missed the wide open shot late. Seems to not distribute enough. Too much one on one, much like the other senior transfer Corbett. Next year will be special with DiMichele and the beast from Furman in Williams. That dude is going to open things up. Not sure where your total dislike of Rozier is coming from. Rozier was in the top ten in turnover/assist ratio in the country before the Dayton game. The Dukes would be nowhere without his contributions the last two years. He might frustrate at times, but i'll take him every time down the stretch. Trust him more than anybody late. 
 

I actually really like Rozier. In a back up role. The stats don’t lie. When you say you like him “down the stretch”. Do you mean to score? Because he doesn’t. Or to hit FTs? He’s one of the worst on the team. Trey doesn’t turn the ball over all that much more than Rozier. It is absolutely no coincidence that last year’s team turned around when they inserted Jake and Jimmy in the backcourt and put Kareem in the back up role. The team won and Kareem played so much better too. His FG % increased. This year, Cam came in and Rozier went to the bench, at least to start, and the team improved. I like Kareem. In the right role. He’s the kind of player all good teams need. I’ve said it over and over. I don’t understand why you think I don’t like him.

I apologize, I know you like him in his certain role, but I think he needs to get out their to push Dinkins along as I see Tre just plays way too much one on one. Way too much dribbling and one on one. Crawford gets it. Corbett doesn't as much way too much one on one and no finish. Necas too unselfish. Could go down the line with this team. There's talent. Coach needs to figure it out. Wilborn needs to get fed in the post, Necas needs to drive to the hoop often. Same with Edwards who needs to be out there 25-30 minutes a game. Corbett and Dinkins save a few games have been subpar, but thankfully they are the only two seniors, so the future is bright.
 

I agree that it might be time to get Max more minutes. 2 game skid - need to shake it up a little.  Corbett is fine as long as he isn’t trying to do too much when he doesn’t have it. A little like Tre Williams that way.  Corbett is the best rebounder on the team. So he needs to be out there.  Case in point: Corbett averages the most mins  on the team, nearly 30. He was way below his average on Sunday with 22 mins and the Dukes got killed on the boards.

Against the Bonnies, Dayton shot 33% 3-pt,, both halves.  Against The Dukes, Dayton shot close to 75% 3-pts., most of the game they couldn't miss.  That was pretty much the game.