Good post ED. I do think the AD will go before the coach. You'd like for the AD to be settled in before he has to make a hire. It's tough to be in a position like Pitt, where you have to put your coaching search on hold because you have no AD. Unless Ferry somehow turns it around, GA will be out of here no later than the end of next year, maybe sooner if this season continues along it's disasterous path.

ElDuque wrote:

It's too late for this season, but over the summer Ferry needs to sit down with a big time coach at another program, have the guy break down our film, have his staff tell us what they do for offseason, practice, nutrition, etc., and offer some advice about how to turn the program around.

I know someone will suggest that I am offending Ferry. I am not. I am suggesting a solution to help him succeed.


Go Dukes!

At $600,000 plus perks a year, I really don't give an "airborne intercourse" about Jim Ferry's feelings at this point!  He should be on his knees every night, thanking the All Mighty that he lucked into this position and it's salary. He will be able to put his four children through college, even though after he fails here, he will NEVER ever be a head coach again at this level or higher!

Just reading the game report from someone who was there last night (can't recall if it was on this board or Yuku) absolutely infuriated me!  Poorly coached in offense and defense and no sense of teamwork or work ethic.  

I really don't care how Jim Ferry feels!
 

Former Duquesne Forward from our last NCAA team  Donnie Gambridge always told me when I would get excited about newly announced recruits, "Phil, they always look good on paper"

I was a little suspicious when the two highly rated forwards were signed from Canada, if they were that good why would they come to Duquesne?

I suspect that about the current players, RE passed on Mason when he was in high school. And so on.

Duquesne is now like the teams I would always feel sorry for when they were always losing no mater who they played, like NJIT.

Someone has got to gut it out and correct this, mainly the coach and staff. He is a long time coach and if he can't he will just be one more of. The long list who failed at Duquesne.

PS- with this team what would RE do at this point?

PPS- I don't blame Mc Connell for bolting out of this program.

ElDuque my friend I disagree with you about Amodio.  Last night took away the remaining hope I had for this team away. If this team crashes and burns (which is the direction it is heading) Amodio needs to go.  Open the widow and let the fresh air in. Let the healing begin and try to salavage a dwlinding fan base.  Regrettably we are stuck with Ferry. Ferry should be on the hot seat but I do agree he should be given at least one more year to see if he can make a big move up.  If next year's team is still stuck at the bottom with another losing season he has to go.  I know it will be yet another rebuilding job, but Ferry has shown no coaching ability.  I think there is some talent on this team but the coaches have no clue on how to mold or develop it.   No ligitimate business would tolerate this type of results for the money they are paying. 

Last edited by CLK (12/18/2014 9:38 am)

CLK, I certainly understand what you are saying. My fear is that you have a situation like the NY Jets. They fired the GM, brought in a new one, handed him Rex Ryan, and said, "Here's your coach." Look where THAT franchise is now, despite the fact that it beat my Steelers (yes, I was there for that debacle). I'm not saying you can never replace the AD or the coach, or both, I'm saying it wouldn't change anything right now.

Phildog, Ron KNEW the situation at Duquesne, and understood it better than any coach or AD we've had here since Dudey Moore and Chick Davies. Even better than Red. Ron knew he had to roll the dice on some players, and he looked for kids who WANTED to be here, guys who worked hard and were smart. He combined the two to win every year. And guys who played four years here got better every year.

We're not seeing that now. I don't think the staff knows what it wants in a player, aside from the fact that it believes in this two wing, three off guard offensive style that can't play defense, and can't win consistently shooting 30% from the floor and 50% from the FT line. Plus it doesn't want to do anything different to try to win. It's very frustrating, and I certainly understand Ritter's perspective on things, and the sad truth is that if Ferry flounders through the end of his contract he and Amodio will be gone and so will the program. We'll field women's basketball, rowing, and a couple minor sports, and be the butt pimple of the NCAA.

My friend look at this from an economic standpoint.Catholic schools grade school H.S & Colleges face a fine line compared to public institutions in regard to financial mistakes. PSU thanks to the PA taxpayers will always survive mistakes either in there sports or education depts. Face it how many people will be at the Palumbo 400-600 diehard fans? How about the 2 Consol games? Rent fees vs. paying fans Fortunately Duquesne does what they do best sponsor the NCAA tourney in Pittsburgh. GA resume builder Mario & the boys cleanup Duquesne gets a minimum adm fee. If I was Charlie schedule every top 20 program next year travel collect big pay days .Mitigate your AD s mistakes stop the bleeding. As my buddies at Pitt PSU WVU say WTF with every embarrissing loss this places this University in an unfavorable light.Either take the bold step Dr. Gallagher PITT or collect pay checks from KentuckyArizona Ohio State ....this years preseason schedule was to save GAs behind. I do believe Charlie wants to leave this program in a better state if no changes the next president will no doubt clean house start from the beginning. Problem Duquesne big time " in the red". Here comes UMass-Lowell in an empty arena not good.

Tejas_Duke wrote:

ElDuque wrote:

Let me say out loud that while I respect Ferry and his staff, none of them - NONE - have big time experience.

What they have is a system, one that has been successful at lower levels, but may not be a good fit here. Hey, lots of good HS programs throughout the country win titles every year with 5-10 centers. Doesn't mean that will work in the A-10.

Go Dukes!

Ok, here's what I think is the million dollar question!

Ferry is losing to the same lower level teams he used to beat with regularity!  He routintely beat the Robert Morrises and St. Francis's of the world at that lower level, and NOW he is losing to those same teams with, arguablly better lower level D I talent!

Why? Can someone offer a theory on that?  Did he and his staff suddently forget how to game plan and adjust to playing the same level of talent that he routinely succeeded against?

We haven't even gotten into the A-10 yet and it looks like we could go winless against the entire conference, even Fordham!

I just don't get it!
 

It took him 10 years to beat those teams, didn't it? His resume really isn't very rich in either winning seasons, or for that matter, beating good teams.

LOL to the last line of Tejas Post above.  "Something is wrong!"   That sums it up nicely. 
I am amending my original thought that they will both be here next year.   If you have players starting to transfer, I bet some board member that liked RE (I am sure their had to be one) will be waying a copy of the leaked letter (like Scotch did).   If we have an under 10 win seasons and people start to leave ship, Amodio will be gone.   Ferry will probably survive.

But the big question is no one seems to know if Amodio was extended last year or not.

ElDuque wrote:

Yes. His system does not work here. He plays two 3's and three 2's, and wonders why he can't defend other teams. His teams launch 30+ 3-pointers, shoot 30%, and wonder why they don't score. His teams don't shoot FTs well. He talks about having great practices and not seeing the result in games.

It's because the level of competition is stiffer once the games begin.

Works for me!  I've only gotten to see 1.5 games this year and to be honest, in my depression over the last few years, I barely know who any of these guys are. I don't know who is a transfer or a freshman or whatever. Not like the old days, when I knew all the players. Of course when Ferry keeps throwing ten guys in the game and changing everything its hard to get any kind of a feel for any one player.

One thing I want to see is Lewis playing about 35 minutes. He's the closest thing to a real center we have had in I don't know how long!  I want to see some size in there!  I agree with you on this all guard and small forward lineup.
 

Said by another poster:  "ElDuque my friend I disagree with you about Amodio.  Last night took away the remaining hope I had for this team away. If this team crashes and burns (which is the direction it is heading) Amodio needs to go.  Open the widow and let the fresh air in. Let the healing begin and try to salavage a dwlinding fan base.  Regrettably we are stuck with Ferry. Ferry should be on the hot seat but I do agree he should be given at least one more year to see if he can make a big move up.  If next year's team is still stuck at the bottom with another losing season he has to go.  I know it will be yet another rebuilding job, but Ferry has shown no coaching ability.  I think there is some talent on this team but the coaches have no clue on how to mold or develop it.   No ligitimate business would tolerate this type of results for the money they are paying." 

I also disagree, but I also know it won't happen.  In addition, Ferry should be let go after this year.  These are his players now and there is NO improvement.  In fact, they have a weaker schedule and are doing worse.  His hiring was a mistake, RE's firing was a mistake, Amodio is responsible.
I know he probably won't be let go this year, but the President should do what PItt did.  Remove the AD and the coach and start over.  

Last night's attendance was a little over 1,000.  It was probablyover 1000, because there were folks there from St. Francis.  NO, me and my season tix didn't go.  Unless DU starts giving away tickets again to city and Catholic Schools, I predict that we will start to see the attendance at Danny Nee Numbers from now on...unless they pad the numbers and include the players, referees, cheerleaders, etc. in the count.  It is the middle of December and folks believe (and I don't disagree) that the season is over.  Wow!  If that isn't a pathetic program nothing is.
 

Last edited by FAM (12/18/2014 11:38 am)

heelsdukesfan wrote:

to me,
i saw on the other board that bernie m was at the game with amodio and i did happen to bump into them after the game as they were headed into the secure  area and GA looked like he had just thrown up...

Pardon my ignorance, but who is "Bernie M?" 
 

ElDuque wrote:

FAM, I'm not sure what you disagree with, so let me ask you this: If we were to fire Amodio today and hire a top drawer AD tomorrow, what exactly would change? Would that make the players better? The coaches? The season?

 

 ElDuque I know you are responing to FAM.  But I would like to respond.  First I am not sayiing Amodio should be fired now as in today.  I am saying that if this season winds up with the Dukes having a losing season with the Dukes at or near the bottom of the league he should no question be fired.  What would change would be a fresh start with the disgruntled alums that he drove off.  I am talking about people long time fans and financial supporters of the Dukes.  A new AD might light a fire under Ferry and his staff, it would definitely light a fire under the ADs staff.  It would give the AD a year to evaluate if Ferry will ever going to get us to the top of the league (hopefully still the goal) and earning his pay.  That will hopefully result in the players commiting to get better or get out and make room for winners.  What would change by keeping Amodio if this year is a disaster it appears it will be?

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