I know they won't fire him today no matter how deserved it is.  I didn't want Dino either, but you're right, he could not be doing worse. 

As you know, a high school freshman who is close to me appears to have D-1 and perhaps very high D-1 talent.  How could I with any honesty and true concern for his well being recommend that he come and be part of this?  I hate to say this, but last year I was speaking with one of Duquesne's big stars from the glory days and he said that if this young man truly does develop into a blue chip recruit he should go elsewhere.  It pained me to hear this former NBA draft pick make such a statement.  But let's face it, he's right.

Actually, I think they should extend his contract for his creativity.  He has developed a new defense...

LHTM - With this defense you don't have to go to a man to man when a player from the other team lights it up with 3 pointers.  You don't have to go to a box and one, a 3 - 2 instead of a 2-3 which would help with the outside shooting at the top of the key, and you don't have to think, "Hey, how about if I extend my defense and maybe give up some two pointers in the paint instead of the 3 points...because with new math, 2 points is less than 3 points."  Oh, the LHTM defense that Ferry invented,  
                                                    LET'S   HOPE   THEY   MISS

If you haven't written the coaches, yes the coaches (all of their emails are listed except of course for the head coach) and the President NOW is the time.  Believe me, it DOES make a difference.  Also, email the director of basketball operations.
 

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VBC I am disgusted also. The thing that disgusts me the most is the fact that Ferry gives no indication that he could ever be the next level coach. You would think that in year three there would be some signs of this team moving in the right direction and eventually being able to compete for championships. All of the players on his team are his recruits. If he recruited the wrong kind of players so that he is only limited to playing 2-3 zone whose fault is that? It is just insane to think that this team is not capable of playing any other kind of defense then this ineffective, nonfunctional, porous zone. He keeps talking about getting better. Earth to Ferry your team just gave up 100 points! What is the point of playing the stupid zone exclusively when other teams cut through it just like butter? Somebody please explain it to me, I just don't get it. If he switched defenses could it be any worse when teams are scoring at will against this weak zone? Everybody knew that Posey was going to get the ball on the last possession. The Dukes have to play to deny him the ball. Why not switch to man and put your best defender on him?  Moreover why not press in the last minutes of the game to try to change the momentum. Teams get so comfortable against the Duquesne zone. Our guards are so small that good shooters eyes light up when they get the ball to shoot the three point shot over top of them. I like FAM's satirical comment on the LH TM defense. I just don't get it. It's not like were playing an effective zone to stay with it the whole game.  Just pathetic coaching!

It is just so hard to believe that this coaching staff is so bad! I don't mean mildly bad, they are horribly bad. People talk about the low IQ of this team, well it starts with the coaching! Just like everybody else I am so sick of excuses. I don't blame Charlie, as I do believe he was sold a bill of goods by Amodio. But I do believe it is time for a new AD.  There has to be accountability.  Neither Amodio or any of these coaches would make it in the real business world. No company would put up with this. If your business is hemorrhaging more money after year three than when you took over you haveto go! There has to be accountability. It has to start with the president holding the AD accountable.

I know I have rambled here in my post. But as I said in the beginning I am so totally disgusted with what is going on and Duquesne.It is definitely time for a change. And by that I mean Amodio has to be held accountable for this debacle. 

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Now remember fellow posters, how long did Duquesne stay with the scowling BC, 16 years?

I feel bad for the kids here, I think they are trying but overmatched so often. They were playing scared in the last 5 min last night.

McKoy, so effective last year but something has happened to him, he was decent at the free throw line, sometimes even clutch. Now he has a mental block just throwing up bricks.

Even Mason left points when he shot free throws, he should make 8-9 out of ten with his form.

No wonder those Hampton Twins turned down the Duquesne, even bringing them both here couldn't fool them, Brian Shanahan must be breathing a sight of relief.
If I hadn't expierenced such a great program in the past, I mean 1961 on, I would not feel so bad.
I hope that NY kid doesn't read this board to realize the hell he is coming to.

Stew that is not going to happen.  Football is here to stay, as it should be, at Duquesne.  At this point it seriously appears that Amodio screwed up in hiring Ferry, but there is IMHO zero chance that Ferry will be let go this year.  DU can't afford to eat theexorbitant salary that he is earning. I said exorbitant because in no way is he earning that kind of money by his performance. This season is spiraling out of control and could be one of the worst since the Danny Nee era. What is likely, however, is that the administration would look at the program and determine that Amodio needs to be held accountable for the destruction of the fan base and the miserable product that is being presented under the name of Duquesne basketball. Replacing Amodio would go a long way in restoring hope to the long-suffering fractured fan base (which there are less and less of as this debocle continues). 

You can not just "drop" football.   Duquesne operates under the model of 6 men's sports and 8 women's sports (if one of the sports is football).   The only other model is to be Division I is 7 mens sports & 7 womens sports.  The 6/8 and 7/7 models are the minimum standards required to be Division I. 

So the scholarships you drop with football will have to be picked up by 2 other mens sports.   So there is no wind fall of cash dropping football.  Sure football probably costs more than say men's lacrosse and swimming, but having football is not our problem.   Leadership is our problem.   

On another topic, when people say DU should drop to the NEC or Patriot League.   Think about that.  No school in recent history has ever dropped to a lower conference. And the only ones to get kicked out were Temple from Big East football.  This athletic department is bleeding money.  It has to be.   Think about now much more money they will be bleeding if they drop to the NEC....lower attendance (okay it cant go much lower, but lower), even less TV money, and no NCAA shares from the other A10 members who go to the NCAA tournament.   That is one way to make the situation worse.

This can be turned around.  We just need new leadership in the Athletic Department starting with a new AD.   A new AD best will hopefully be in place by May 1 of this year.   Then he can pull the plug on Ferry after next season.

duq81 wrote:

duqkurt wrote:

You can not just "drop" football. Duquesne operates under the model of 6 men's sports and 8 women's sports (if one of the sports is football). The only other model is to be Division I is 7 mens sports & 7 womens sports. The 6/8 and 7/7 models are the minimum standards required to be Division I.

So the scholarships you drop with football will have to be picked up by 2 other mens sports. So there is no wind fall of cash dropping football. Sure football probably costs more than say men's lacrosse and swimming, but having football is not our problem. Leadership is our problem.

On another topic, when people say DU should drop to the NEC or Patriot League. Think about that. No school in recent history has ever dropped to a lower conference. And the only ones to get kicked out were Temple from Big East football. This athletic department is bleeding money. It has to be. Think about now much more money they will be bleeding if they drop to the NEC....lower attendance (okay it cant go much lower, but lower), even less TV money, and no NCAA shares from the other A10 members who go to the NCAA tournament. That is one way to make the situation worse.

This can be turned around. We just need new leadership in the Athletic Department starting with a new AD. A new AD best will hopefully be in place by May 1 of this year. Then he can pull the plug on Ferry after next season.

\. Give GA the boot. That would calm what's left of the fan base. Ferry would be on the hot seat next year, and if the team still stinks, no one could question him getting canned. If this happens, .

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!  De ja vu all over again.  Gee this sounds familiar.  Hmmmm,  where have I heard "We can't have a coach who isn't extended and is in his very last year and is on the hotseat?"   Hmmmmmmmm!  Seems like it was about three years ago.  Oh well, I've already pointed out that the last time we fired the coach who brought us back to moderate success, his successor lasted three years! 
 

Tejas_Duke wrote:

duq81 wrote:

duqkurt wrote:

You can not just "drop" football. Duquesne operates under the model of 6 men's sports and 8 women's sports (if one of the sports is football). The only other model is to be Division I is 7 mens sports & 7 womens sports. The 6/8 and 7/7 models are the minimum standards required to be Division I.

So the scholarships you drop with football will have to be picked up by 2 other mens sports. So there is no wind fall of cash dropping football. Sure football probably costs more than say men's lacrosse and swimming, but having football is not our problem. Leadership is our problem.

On another topic, when people say DU should drop to the NEC or Patriot League. Think about that. No school in recent history has ever dropped to a lower conference. And the only ones to get kicked out were Temple from Big East football. This athletic department is bleeding money. It has to be. Think about now much more money they will be bleeding if they drop to the NEC....lower attendance (okay it cant go much lower, but lower), even less TV money, and no NCAA shares from the other A10 members who go to the NCAA tournament. That is one way to make the situation worse.

This can be turned around. We just need new leadership in the Athletic Department starting with a new AD. A new AD best will hopefully be in place by May 1 of this year. Then he can pull the plug on Ferry after next season.

\. Give GA the boot. That would calm what's left of the fan base. Ferry would be on the hot seat next year, and if the team still stinks, no one could question him getting canned. If this happens, .

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!  De ja vu all over again.  Gee this sounds familiar.  Hmmmm,  where have I heard "We can't have a coach who isn't extended and is in his very last year and is on the hotseat?"   Hmmmmmmmm!  Seems like it was about three years ago.  Oh well, I've already pointed out that the last time we fired the coach who brought us back to moderate success, his successor lasted three years! 
 

Ferry isn't going into his last year, he has 3 years left after this. The situation with Ron was different. He was going into a rebuilding year, with 2 years left on his deal. He shouldn't have been fired, but he was in a tough spot. Since you can't let a coach go into his final year, Ron was going to have to either get an extension right then, or have a good enough season to be extended at the end of the coming year. Since most felt that the team was going to struggle after the defections of TJ, and Talley, an AD that was in Ron's corner would have tried to add a year to his deal right then, so that recruits would know that he was going to be there at least for the next two years. This is what should have happened. That would have given Ron 2 seasons to rebuild the team. If at the end of those two years, the team wasn't on the rise, then you would have been justified in making a change, as it would have been 5 years since the NIT team, and perpetual .500 teams eventually get you fired everywhere.
I think there were enough red flags during Ron's last two years, to preclude him from getting a full 5 year extension, but I think he had done enough to deserve 2 more years to get the train moving again.

I thought Ferry signed a seven year deal at 600k per year. so if i am correct he has 4 years left ?

Ferry's deal was for 6 years. He'll have 3 years left after this season. They're not going to eat 3 years, nor should they. If you're not willing to give a coach 4 years, you're not going to get anything but the worst retreads to come here. Send GA packing after this year. The new AD gets a year to settle in. If by some miracle Ferry leads the team to a solid season next year, all will be good. If not, the new AD gets to bring in his guy. The one good thing is that because Castro, and Jackson are burning a year sitting out, any new coach will at least inherit a few decent players, as those two will be unlikely to transfer again.

while i certainly dont think ga or jf are going anywhere after this year(just an opinion), i was curious, since this thread is titled fire ferry now, what are you guys looking for in a head coach/who do you want the next coach to be?

personally, i think they should go young- preferably early 30s, a former player with a blue chip pedigree, who maybe apprenticed under a big time coach. someone who can energize the fanbase and program but also brings a big time college basketball attitude, having been a player and assistant at high level, and knows from both sides of the out of bounds line what it takes to win at a big time level...

I mentioned my choice in the other thread.  Vermont's head coach.  

http://uvmathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=333

I would also take anyone who is focused on half court defense and offense.  I don't want to hear about run and fun.  I'd take the top assistant at Wisconsin who I know has to have learned a ton from Bo Ryan in all the years under him.

http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/greg_gard_482328.html